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Out of love or just toxic?

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Rookiemama1 · 26/01/2023 14:47

Really need some advice here my head is an absolute mush and a half.

My mum and I were close when I was growing up. As I grew up I think some of my morals and values changed from hers - she's a very conservative person, doesn't drink, married her childhood sweetheart, believes only in nuclear families, bit snobby etc.

Anyone who knows her would say she's a very kind person and very 'this is the right way' kind of person and that's led us to some arguments over the years.

She is exceptionally overprotective like messages often just to see what everyone is up to and to make sure everyone is safe etc.

We've had problems on and off for years. I've been the real golden child to a degree - straight As, first class degree, great career, don't drink, don't sleep around etc (which I'm not saying makes me a great person just that these are things she holds in high esteem)

I've grown to be a real perfectionist and as I've grown I've got really sad as I feel like she loves me and only validates me for being like this even though she says she loves me unconditionally but then a few instances have happened:

  • I had a massive breakdown a few years ago and she basically said it was all to do with an ex, she couldn't accept any role in it even though I very openly spoke about how I felt I grew up too quick (I was way to involved in my mum and dad's marriage, there were a lot of secrets, I had to basically sort a bankruptcy case for my dad when I was 18 etc)
  • I started dating a guy I'm now marrying next year a few years back and she spent months trying to break us up (she did successfully break up one of my relationships when i was 16 by saying she would let me join a political thing if I dumped my then BF) because she didn't agree with the fact he had 2 kids from a previous relationship. I'm now marrying that man but before this she used to come in and say to me 'i'm afraid you won't reach your full potential' - what does that even mean??
  • When i told her I was moving out when I was 25 she went insane and said she was so disappointed I was shacking up with a married man (my partner who's been divorced for 8 years)
  • I had a miscarriage last september and when I told her (she didn't know i was pregnant before the miscarriage) whilst I was actively miscarrying she went mental that I was pregnant in the first place and said I wasn't brought up like that, I have shit morals and that maybe turning away from religion is why I'm like this.

Last saturday we had a bit of a blow up, she was actively bad mouthing my partner again to my aunt even though things had got more tolerable. I've spoken to her about it and she said 'you don't understand it's just because I love you so much' but I don't understand how I feel so hurt and so like she's looking down on me if it's through love?

I've been crying most days since Saturday because we used to be close and I love her so much but I'm so heartbroken that our relationship is like this. Part of me wishes she would just see how I feel or how she's made me feel over the years like a constant pressure cooker to be the best and do things 'right'. I was burnt out by the time I was 22 because I was so constantly on the go trying to be miss perfect and i'm exhausted. I'm so f ing tired of it all. My partner has said to me I'm craving a relationship with my mum that isn't there. She doesn't have the ability to say sorry and even if she does she says 'I'm sorry you feel that way or I'm sorry if i annoyed you but no one will ever love you like i love you and I have those reactions to protect you??'

I'm so confused. I miss her (low contact at the minute) but at the same time I don't have the energy to go through another meaningless long conversation for nothing to change. I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
NomadicSoul · 26/01/2023 17:40

Hi.

I saw no one has responded as yet, so thought I would try and help.

Your mother sounds like she has been very controlling and does not seem to realise that this is your life and not hers. She also seems to be oblivious to the fact that she seems to have had a far from perfect life and so her guidance is maybe not all that great as a consequence.

As a parent, I can kind of see why she would "rather" you had found a guy who wasn't divorced and didn't have two kids as (1) he's more likely statistically to divorce again (2) he has kids which aren't yours and your mum won't have that "perfect" image of "her" grandchildren. As a person however, I've married a divorcee with two kids that aren't mine and I'm happy, so screw what society thinks.

Your mum "might" be right in her fears, but she also might be dead wrong in her fears and this might be the best thing in the world for you. At the end of the day though it is your life and it is yours to live how you choose. We all make mistakes and we all reach the end with regrets and what ifs, but if you didn't marry this guy, that would become a regret and a what if rather than a possible breakup down the line.

So, you're mum should / could have said "I'm worried about him because... however I will support you, but I just wanted you to know that I'm a bit worried and I only want the best for you". I think there might unfortunately be elements of her wanting what is best for her as well as you, which isn't right.

Anyway, you're an adult. She needs to come to terms with this. She's raised you as best she could and now needs to... back the hell off and let you make the same mistakes as the rest of us. 🙂

If you want her back in your life, then it will need a straight talk along the lines of "I'm an adult now, this is my life and only mine. I realise that you only want the best for me, but right now I think this is the best for me and I want you to be a part of my life, but only if you accept this. What I am doing may turn out to be something I regret in the future, but I know that not doing it would be something which I would regret now". ... or something. What do I know?

Anyway, hopefully that lot helped a little and if not, I tried.

KettrickenSmiled · 27/01/2023 01:29

she said 'you don't understand it's just because I love you so much' but I don't understand how I feel so hurt and so like she's looking down on me if it's through love?

Substitute the word "love" for "control".

Does it make more sense now?

I bet your mum does love you, in her own odd way.
Unfortunately, that way seems mired in projection & 'stage mothering'. You are more a part of her ego than a person in your own right.

That's why it feels you only get love when you 'perform'.

My partner has said to me I'm craving a relationship with my mum that isn't there.
He's right.
Children are programmed to love their parents, even highly abusive parents.
Sometimes, the more abusive that parent is, the more the child loves them - because they so desperately & instinctively crave the "object permanence" & stability vital to their healthy development. Your mother's own object permanence is likely damaged, which is why her love is conditional - see also adult dysfunction/personality disorders - www.betterhelp.com/advice/general/what-is-object-constancy-and-how-does-it-affect-people/

You love your mum, but she's ... excuse me, not a very nice woman.
Part of your love will be a craving to win her approval, seeing her on a pedestal, aspiring to be as powerful as she was to you by making her love you back.
Part of it is likely a Trauma Bond.
www.counselling-directory.org.uk/memberarticles/trauma-bonds-what-they-are-and-how-to-escape-them

It's late & I'm tired so may not have conveyed all this very clearly - but please keep posting for support: many PP will recognise your situation & you will find a lot of support here.

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