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I don't want to talk to my friend

38 replies

simplefree · 17/01/2023 19:24

Might be long, I don't want to drip feed.

I met my best friend in 1997 and we always were confidents and very comfortable with each other. He knows me better than anyone else and by his accounts I know him better than himself and he tells me thoughts and feelings he can't tell anybody else.

Because I moved countries a few times and communication wasn't as easy in the past as it is now, there were periods when we didn't talk often but it also felt like time never went on.

About 11 or 12 years ago we were exchanging emails constantly and he was telling me how happy he was in his relationship and that he found his soulmate. Then he stopped replying to my emails - I didn't have social media so we lost contact.

Then about 6 years ago, I found him on instagram and sent a message. We reconnected again and he said his relationship had broken down and explained that he became engaged with the soulmate and she demanded he stopped speaking to me out of jealousy - I was in a different continent at that point, married and with one young child, there was nothing going on - but he obliged. Now that they are not together he was keen on reconnecting again and apologised profusely for stop speaking to me - he was in a very hard place and over the months and years that followed I helped him process his heartbreak (the relationship seemed very toxic) and process his new flings and the relationships he had after. He did the same to me and we had a great time talking about each other's dramas and supporting each other.

Until summer 22 when he met a new woman while still in love with a previous one - so a lot to process and talk about. This new woman was already displaying jealousy and controlling tendencies and he used to be very unsure about her and the whole situation - plus still holding a torch for the woman before her - their relationship started becoming kind of toxic pretty quickly to the point where once when he was sick on a hospital bed she took his phone and read all of our messages and heard all of our voice notes - she made a scene, cried, insulted him, broke up with him just to ask him bak a few days later...roll following month, she is constantly checking his phone (and this makes him to constant delete our conversations) and being very controlling and he expresses to me the desire to break up, explaining the whole plan. Then he disappears for a week and comes back sending me photos of them together drinking champagne at a concert, saying that they worked it out and are meant to be together.

At this point I told him that I didn't want to get involved and hear about their relationship anymore but of course we could carry on being friends and talk about other stuff.

So we continued mainly discussing work, politics and world events plus my issues in my own life with my daughter which were (and still are) very tough and he was a great source of support.

He becomes more absent but messages me on his birthday explaining about a drama created by his GF. I make a fuss about his birthday and offer some general support not going into details or getting involved in his relationship again.

Comes Christmas time I ask him what his plans are etc and he says he will be with his family - asks about mine and I say I have no plans and will not celebrate New Years at the party I go every year, because it is being a very tough month and I'm not in the mood.

So on Christmas day I see phots of him on IG with her and his family - so he took her to spend the holidays with them and some more travels for NY and after. It seems like they had a lovely time and underneath every photo they are proclaiming their love to each other. But what made me sad is that he never messaged me during the holidays, no Merry Christmas or Happy New Year at all and granted I didn't do it either but I was kind of fed up of me always initiating conversation lately - also as I was having a very bad time it would have been nice for him as a friend to reach out.

Anyway, he messaged me today asking if how I am and if I'd gone to the NY party that I had said I was not going to go (?) - I had been so sad all this time because I wasn't hearing from him and I did not want to spoil his holidays messaging him but now I just don't feel like talking to him anymore and I think it is maybe time I stop relying on this friendship so much. I am also feeling kind of yucky because I know well that at the beginning of the relationship with this woman he was there just because of her looks and easy sex while still dreaming about the ex before her and even mentioned that he wanted the ex to feel jealous by seeing them together in person or on IG. I know his feelings might have changed but I am just feeling so uncomfortable at the moment.

Gosh this sounds like I am 15 or something, but I needed it out of my chest.

If I feel like replying one day I will but not in a hurry. I feel like he would dump me again in a second if this new woman asked him to, in fact I am believing she already has.

OP posts:
Ghostbuster2639 · 18/01/2023 02:29

He sounds dramatic and is using you for emotional support. Just block his whinging arse.

MonsoonMadness · 18/01/2023 02:39

You’re right you do sound 15. This friendship has run its course. Leave him to get on with his life and you get on with yours.

Oblomov22 · 18/01/2023 03:29

Christ you do sound about 15. Tell him that exactly then. That you were sad and hurt and need to stop relying on the friendship quite so much.

Fraaahnces · 18/01/2023 05:10

Tell him you’re not his therapist and you prefer to rely on genuine friends.

daemonologie · 18/01/2023 05:18

You don't sound15 OP just a nice friend. Seems a bit one-sided now. Especially as he couldn't even remember the last thing you had written. Probably as he has to delete everyone you send a message. Time to move on and block him on insta. That stuff isn't real anyway. Block block block

simplefree · 18/01/2023 08:07

Ghostbuster2639 · 18/01/2023 02:29

He sounds dramatic and is using you for emotional support. Just block his whinging arse.

That is what I am thinking - using me for support when needed but when enjoying life and having fun with other people I am not on the radar.

He is not like this generally - only when with controling and jealous women - he had other girlfriends in the past that were not concerned about our friendship - he never disapperead when with them.

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simplefree · 18/01/2023 08:13

daemonologie · 18/01/2023 05:18

You don't sound15 OP just a nice friend. Seems a bit one-sided now. Especially as he couldn't even remember the last thing you had written. Probably as he has to delete everyone you send a message. Time to move on and block him on insta. That stuff isn't real anyway. Block block block

Yep

It is very hurtful and weird being a ‘secret friend’ when there is nothing going on other than frienship

We still live in different countries and haven’t see each other in person for years and years - if he can’t have the maturity to stand up for himself to a woman he only met few months ago and honour our friendship of 26 years then I don’t want it

There was a brief time when he tried again with the “soulmate” and during that time our frienship was hidden - he didn’t tell her we recconect because he dropped me at her request 1st time round

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picklemewalnuts · 18/01/2023 08:21

"He is not like this generally - only when with controling and jealous women - he had other girlfriends in the past that were not concerned about our friendship - he never disapperead when with them."

But he keeps choosing that kind of woman. He's prioritising his dick over his friends.

He's doing this, not them. Time for a slow fade. Stop putting the effort in, divert that effort into more reliable friendships. He's a waste of time and energy.

GerbilsForever24 · 18/01/2023 09:07

Op, I'm afraid he's not a nice man. You are only hearing his side of his stories and I rather suspect that you are used as a control tool against these women, " Oh, Simple understands me" or "Simple says that the way you're behaving is appalling and you're ac controlling bitch. She's a woman so it's not just me."

You need to think about why you want to be friends with a man who keeps getting into toxic relationships, actively seemed to be pursuing multiple women at once and is not interested in you as a person. This isn't a friendship and I think deep in your heart you thought of him as something more than a friend.

It's time to move on from him.

simplefree · 18/01/2023 09:34

GerbilsForever24 · 18/01/2023 09:07

Op, I'm afraid he's not a nice man. You are only hearing his side of his stories and I rather suspect that you are used as a control tool against these women, " Oh, Simple understands me" or "Simple says that the way you're behaving is appalling and you're ac controlling bitch. She's a woman so it's not just me."

You need to think about why you want to be friends with a man who keeps getting into toxic relationships, actively seemed to be pursuing multiple women at once and is not interested in you as a person. This isn't a friendship and I think deep in your heart you thought of him as something more than a friend.

It's time to move on from him.

Hi I hear you

It is a very long friendship and I agree that since 1997 we changed and grew in different directions and now it is time to face that

Absolutely no other feelings other than friendship - the way he behaves romantically - falls in love so easily, people pleases, gets clingy and paranoid, uses women sometimes and pretends he feels something when feeling the opposite - is completely what I don’t want in a partner!

If anything he is a good case study of red flags to look for in my own dating life.

I did enjoy sharing my dramas with him though and we laughed a lot but as I eliminate drama in my life while he is still creating it in his life it feels like a huge contrast and no wonder he is feeling disconnected - I did not want to get involved in his latest drama anymore.

Nevetheless losing people is always sad - he has flaws but positive traits too just like every human

OP posts:
simplefree · 18/01/2023 22:10

Got a promotion out of the blue today and I started this new job in July - he knows all the ins and outs - from application to interview to induction then starting and progressing. My first instinct was to tell him then remembered that even though he does care, he probably cares less than I do at the moment - sitting on my hands

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Fraaahnces · 18/01/2023 22:39

Yeah, fuck it. You got this on your own merit. You can continue to do this without him.

Fraaahnces · 18/01/2023 22:40

Btw, Congratulations!!!!

Fullsomefrenchie · 18/01/2023 22:45

This is weird, you haven’t reconnected, you’ve never even met. This man is a stranger you speak to virtually. If there was anything there resembling friendship you’d habe seen each other.

I think you’re way more reliant of this virtual set up than he is

simplefree · 18/01/2023 23:15

Fullsomefrenchie · 18/01/2023 22:45

This is weird, you haven’t reconnected, you’ve never even met. This man is a stranger you speak to virtually. If there was anything there resembling friendship you’d habe seen each other.

I think you’re way more reliant of this virtual set up than he is

We met in person in 1997 when young and enjoyed friendship in person for many years, doing stuff that friends do: studying, cooking, eating out, parties, movies, travelling - we even shared houses with other friends and just the two of us. Then I moved countries twice and he stayed at the same country. I’ve never gone back to visit and he never travelled to visit me.

OP posts:
LiteralSycamore · 19/01/2023 08:29

picklemewalnuts · 18/01/2023 08:21

"He is not like this generally - only when with controling and jealous women - he had other girlfriends in the past that were not concerned about our friendship - he never disapperead when with them."

But he keeps choosing that kind of woman. He's prioritising his dick over his friends.

He's doing this, not them. Time for a slow fade. Stop putting the effort in, divert that effort into more reliable friendships. He's a waste of time and energy.

Yes, stop blaming the women. He’s the person prioritising possessive, melodramatic relationships over a longterm friendship. You’re his backup long-distance emotional support.

billy1966 · 19/01/2023 09:19

Congratulations on your promotion.

Block him and stop engaging.
He is using you and will continue to do so.

Use your energy to develop friendships locally.

Fullsomefrenchie · 19/01/2023 09:39

simplefree · 18/01/2023 23:15

We met in person in 1997 when young and enjoyed friendship in person for many years, doing stuff that friends do: studying, cooking, eating out, parties, movies, travelling - we even shared houses with other friends and just the two of us. Then I moved countries twice and he stayed at the same country. I’ve never gone back to visit and he never travelled to visit me.

Op it was 25 years ago. He is not someone you know.

So on Christmas day I see phots of him on IG with her and his family - so he took her to spend the holidays with them and some more travels for NY and after. It seems like they had a lovely time and underneath every photo they are proclaiming their love to each other. But what made me sad is that he never messaged me during the holidays, no Merry Christmas or Happy New Year at all and granted I didn't do it either but I was kind of fed up of me always initiating conversation lately

this paragraph indicates jealousy, like you should be more important than his partners . It feels like you’ve built this up in your head , when he’s living his life, and you are emotionally reliant on him.

Alexandernevermind · 19/01/2023 09:45

I feel like he would dump me again in a second if this new woman asked him to, in fact I am believing she already has. of course this statement is true. Platonic friendships between opposite sexes can only really exist when both of you are single. I don't think his gfs are controlling as such, I just think they are demanding boundaries, and with hin it sounds as though they need to.
Congratulations on your promotion BTW!

Fullsomefrenchie · 19/01/2023 09:48

Platonic friendships between opposite sexes can only really exist when both of you are single

what a ludicrous comment, I am a married women with two platonic male friendships. Why can’t I be friends with the opposite sex .

Branleuse · 19/01/2023 09:54

Id wonder why all his girlfriends feel so threatened by you, and id suspect strongly that he plays them and you off against each other to massage his own ego. I would try and develop other friendships. Platonic friendships are great when young and unsettled, but in my experience they can be such a headfuck with tiptoeing around partners feelings or people just not being able to do them. Certainly not in a best friend type situation.

Mirabai · 19/01/2023 10:12

So - you became friends with someone 25 years ago and the friendship petered out 12 or so years ago when he got married. Whether he chose to end it or his partner insisted he ended it is a moot point.

You chose to re-contact him on social media 6 years ago. And since then you’ve been trying to shoehorn him back into the relationship you had 25 years ago. But he has his own life and you don’t live in the same countries.
Whatever you want and need from him - he’s not able or willing to give.

Apart from the fact it sounds like you may have feelings for him - I think you need to read the room and consider why you’re trying you’re resurrect old relationships from years ago rather than forge new ones.

SammyScrounge · 19/01/2023 10:21

LiteralSycamore · 19/01/2023 08:29

Yes, stop blaming the women. He’s the person prioritising possessive, melodramatic relationships over a longterm friendship. You’re his backup long-distance emotional support.

I wonder if these women actually exist.

barneshome · 19/01/2023 10:27

Ignore him

ferneytorro · 19/01/2023 10:46

I think drama breeds drama and you get used to that as the norm. When you step back you usually realise it’s exhausting and not as exciting as you think and you can do without it. I’ve pulled back from a couple of people like that as I am the type of person who gets sucked into drama , especially at work, and I’ve got to be really careful as I seem to be a beacon for dramatic slightly sociopathic people! I think after a bit you will appreciate not having him in your life.

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