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Having a rant - OLD timewaster!

25 replies

KittiKatkins · 13/01/2023 09:18

I've been lurking on this forum for a while, but this is my first post. Not looking for sympathy, advice etc., just having a rant and letting off some steam! And be warned - this is a long one!

A few weeks ago, I matched with what seemed like a pleasant enough guy on Tinder. Experience has taught me not to get sucked into the endless messaging thing and I like to set up a quick meet up asap.

So after exchanging a few messages, I suggested a f2f get together (I normally prefer the man to ask for a date, but it clearly wasn't going to be forthcoming in this case).

In response, Mr Time Waster asked for a telephone call. I prefer not to speak on the phone pre meeting, but that's just me, and I agreed to a quick phone chat. Anyway, said 'quick' call lasted well over an hour, and while he was quite interesting and intelligent to chat to, I would have preferred to have spent my time reading a book, cuddling my cat, eating chocolate, binging on a box set etc.

At the end of the call, I asked if we could now arrange to meet up and he asked for another phone call. Aaaargh! For some inexplicable reason, I agreed and the following night, we spent TWO FUCKING HOURS on the phone. By this stage, I was adding 'watch paint dry' to my list of cat cuddling etc. Again, at the end of the telephone endurance ordeal he requested another call in response to my increasingly desperate plea for a meet up, to which I inexplicably agreed.

I have absolutely no idea why I allowed myself to get drawn into this fuckery - I suppose it's all to do with the sunk cost fallacy and I wanted to get some return on my increasingly large investment of time.

So we ended up having somewhere between seven and eight phone calls (which included a video call) before he agreed to meet up, easily totaling over 12 hours.

We finally agree to meet - phew! It's during the day, so I suggested lunch. His response was that he didn't want to eat, as having a meal together would distract us from getting to know each other. Uh???? That's a rather creative way of saying 'I'm a cheapskate scrote'. Nevertheless, I agreed to a coffee.

On the day of the date, I spent some time getting ready and making myself look nice, only to get a message an hour before our scheduled meeting time to say that he wasn't going to make it, as the weather was bad (of course it's bad - it's fucking January!). No apology. Very, very annoying, as by this stage it was too late for me to make alternative plans for my afternoon.

I was feeling pretty bad tempered by this stage, but agreed to meet up the following day. So we finally get face to face - and guess what ladies? Absolutely zero chemistry (not helped by the fact that Mr Charmer turned up in scruffy old clothes in contrast to my carefully chosen ensemble ....). We went for our 'romantic' (not) coffee and I found myself crossing off the minutes until I could escape. When that blessed moment came, he started faffing with his phone muttering something about an important message. In my desperation to end the date, I pointedly marched up to the counter, paid for our coffees and made my bid for freedom. Stopping off to buy some much needed chocolate on my way home of course.

Needless to say, I haven't heard from him since our 'date' and have no wish for him to get in contact (in fact, I may block his number). I am SO cross with myself for getting drawn into such a ridiculous situation and very much hope that I don't let it happen again with anyone else.

Total waste score:
Phone calls = 12 hours
Cancelled date = 2 hours
Actual date = 2 hours
Coffee = 7 quid

As mentioned, I'm not looking for sympathy - I know I shouldn't have let myself be a such a doormat. Never again!

OP posts:
Nimbostratus100 · 13/01/2023 09:20

sending sympathy x

QueenConsort · 13/01/2023 09:21

I once wasted years ( yes years) on a guy like this...

Now I try and arrange a meet up asap and if they don't I just move on.

His name didn't begin with an M did it?

HaggisBurger · 13/01/2023 09:23

Well yes, without being harsh you’ve discovered here that the issue is you.

I was stringent in my meet up immediately / minimal messaging and perhaps one brief phone call rule. If they can’t do that they are clearly not interested enough or don’t have the scheduling capacity for a relationship.

I suspect your time waster finds all interest dies when women actually meet him.

onwards and upwards with firm boundaries !

Opentooffers · 13/01/2023 09:26

Lol yes, I do like a phonecall before a meet, but only one, and if f2f is set within 2 weeks I'd give it a miss.
Mind you, I think I ended up wasting months on the last one who proved to be emotionally unavailable and imature, so it could be worse.

HaggisBurger · 13/01/2023 09:28

Maybe rewrite your summary score with the total number of times you minimised the importance of your own time and allowed him
to cross your boundaries.

I can’t believe you met up with him after he cancelled on you last minute due to weather 🤦🏻‍♀️

I will give him one thing (tho of course he sounds like a twat) - meeting for coffee is way more appropriate for a first meeting than lunch.

maybe it’s helpful to reframe the first time you meet as a max 1 hour screening session.

only thereafter is any subsequent meeting an actual date!

Oopsiedaisyy · 13/01/2023 09:29

I did used to like a phone call first, otherwise I'd not discount the boring ones.

If the phone calls were that tedious why were you so desperate to meet f2f?

Mindymomo · 13/01/2023 09:33

Sorry, I shouldn’t be finding this funny, but thanks for this.

Pansypotter123 · 13/01/2023 09:38

Some men, from my experience, just seem to like having female energy in their lives and have little interest in meeting up.

I have long since given up on OLD but I can recall several men who would message me every evening after work (professional men too). I could almost set my watch by them. I'd get full reports if their very important busyness and they'd go silent if I suggested meeting up. I'd eventually just stop replying.

I've also been in the position where I was mentally counting down when I could politely leave a first meeting at a local Costa. I'd barely sat down before he declared that going somewhere for a "real coffee" was a "real treat", ........& I just thought Confused I think I managed 20 minutes before I made my excuses and left!

Bestcatmum · 13/01/2023 09:43

It's a valuable life lesson. After a few experiences you will be able to extricate yourself after 5 seconds. When I meet bores I charmingly extricate myself and disappear before they even know what hit them. Its also a great skill to have if you work in the NHS.😂

qqq82 · 13/01/2023 09:55

Unfortunately it's not just OLD this happens with
I've just wasted 4.5 months being strung along by someone I work with
What a waste of bloody time

RaiseTheStakesAndMakeTheLastWordDuckhead · 13/01/2023 10:11

Not sure you can totally blame him for time wasting if you went along with it.

You sound articulate, intelligent and funny. You cannot possibly be so desperate for a date irl that you would endure that sort of nonsense? One 20 minute phone call = fine. More than that? Odd.

And - just cos you sound pretty cynical about it so I want to offer an alternative perspective - when I used to OLD I would always insist on a phone chat before a date because you can immediately gauge if there's a modicum of chemistry (it's not foolproof!) and I would NEVER commit to a meal. Let's face it, you know within about 30 seconds if you find them attractive, and if you don't a meal is THE WORST. How do you escape?? And I think assuming someone is a cheapskate for not wanting dinner suggests you expect them to pay, which is also pretty unsexy (for them).

Good luck on the next one!

Goatbilly · 13/01/2023 10:56

Going forward, a quick coffee to establish that they are who they say they are and whether you feel any inclining of attraction/spark especially if you're fairly local to each other. Time is one of our precious resources so by limiting the time wasting (on both ends) is a good thing in the long run.

OliviaEmmaSmith · 13/01/2023 11:02

Was his muttering at the end an avoidance tactic so he didn't have to pay? Tight as well as boring!

KittiKatkins · 13/01/2023 12:16

Mindymomo · 13/01/2023 09:33

Sorry, I shouldn’t be finding this funny, but thanks for this.

Please don't apologise Mindymomo - I've posted my sorry tale for the entertainment value. We all need a good laugh at this dismal time of year! x

OP posts:
KittiKatkins · 13/01/2023 12:20

QueenConsort · 13/01/2023 09:21

I once wasted years ( yes years) on a guy like this...

Now I try and arrange a meet up asap and if they don't I just move on.

His name didn't begin with an M did it?

No it didn't begin with an 'M' .....

I'm so sorry that this happened to you 😪I was strung along by someone for four months last year before he ghosted (although we did meet a few times), so I know how painful it is. It was bad enough after four months, so can't imagine how awful it must be after years. Hugs x

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KittiKatkins · 13/01/2023 12:49

RaiseTheStakesAndMakeTheLastWordDuckhead · 13/01/2023 10:11

Not sure you can totally blame him for time wasting if you went along with it.

You sound articulate, intelligent and funny. You cannot possibly be so desperate for a date irl that you would endure that sort of nonsense? One 20 minute phone call = fine. More than that? Odd.

And - just cos you sound pretty cynical about it so I want to offer an alternative perspective - when I used to OLD I would always insist on a phone chat before a date because you can immediately gauge if there's a modicum of chemistry (it's not foolproof!) and I would NEVER commit to a meal. Let's face it, you know within about 30 seconds if you find them attractive, and if you don't a meal is THE WORST. How do you escape?? And I think assuming someone is a cheapskate for not wanting dinner suggests you expect them to pay, which is also pretty unsexy (for them).

Good luck on the next one!

I'm not blaming him - just myself for putting up with it. To be fair, he was articulate, intelligent and didn't look like a swamp monster (although I wasn't attracted to him physically when we met), which is a rarity on OLD - so I was keen to meet. And the more time that I invested, the more I didn't want to lose that investment, so I was determined to see it through to the end. Completely bonkers I know! As previously mentioned, I fell victim to the sunk cost fallacy ......

Re. lunch: I don't normally agree to a meal for a first encounter, far less suggest it - I usually prefer a very quick coffee. However, because we had spent a zillion hours ìn conversation, I thought (wrongly) that this would be an exceptional case.

Now, I know that I am about to get shot down in flames and I'm going wildly off topic, but I actually do expect a man to pay for meals when it comes to the first few dates. I always offer to pay, but if my offer is accepted, then that is deeply unsexy for me and a further date is unlikely.

How much of our hard earned money do we as women, spend every month on grooming, cosmetics, clothing, toiletries etc. in order to conform to a beauty standard set by the patriarchy (OK - we can refuse to conform, but we would soon be excluded from the dating game)? And how much does the average man spend on such things? What is the median male salary? And what is the median female salary? How many hours of unpaid domestic labour does the average woman expend? And what is the comparable figure for a man? How much worldwide pain and suffering is inflicted upon women by men? And how much in reverse?

The point in time at which those figures achieve parity is the point in time when I will enthusiastically offer to pick up the tab on a date. But I doubt it will be in my lifetime.

OK - off to don my flak jacket!!!!

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Oopsiedaisyy · 13/01/2023 12:59

Yeah...i mean i like a free dinner as much as the next person, but i don't spend much to conform to a beauty standard. Now in a relationship and tend to split everything equally when we go out although he does earn 50% more than me

Eatentoomanyroses · 13/01/2023 13:05

Could have been avoided by not asking him out. I used to give guys 4 exchanges on OLD to ask for my number. Another 4 texts or one quick phone call to ask for a date. That was it.

SimoneSimone · 13/01/2023 14:08

I really enjoyed your story and agreed with you completely, what a time waster and disappointment. As for expecting men to pay for meals for the reasons you listed, that's a bit much. Though I'm sure you will find such a man willing to lavish you with meals and go some way in correcting this so unbalanced society darling.

Petersonuk2 · 13/01/2023 14:26

He has tons and tons of options. Women only gravitate to the top 20% handsome men on OLD. The rest are invisible.

The fact that you offered him out on a date give the game away that he's very very handsome.

Palmfrond · 13/01/2023 15:06

KittiKatkins · 13/01/2023 12:49

I'm not blaming him - just myself for putting up with it. To be fair, he was articulate, intelligent and didn't look like a swamp monster (although I wasn't attracted to him physically when we met), which is a rarity on OLD - so I was keen to meet. And the more time that I invested, the more I didn't want to lose that investment, so I was determined to see it through to the end. Completely bonkers I know! As previously mentioned, I fell victim to the sunk cost fallacy ......

Re. lunch: I don't normally agree to a meal for a first encounter, far less suggest it - I usually prefer a very quick coffee. However, because we had spent a zillion hours ìn conversation, I thought (wrongly) that this would be an exceptional case.

Now, I know that I am about to get shot down in flames and I'm going wildly off topic, but I actually do expect a man to pay for meals when it comes to the first few dates. I always offer to pay, but if my offer is accepted, then that is deeply unsexy for me and a further date is unlikely.

How much of our hard earned money do we as women, spend every month on grooming, cosmetics, clothing, toiletries etc. in order to conform to a beauty standard set by the patriarchy (OK - we can refuse to conform, but we would soon be excluded from the dating game)? And how much does the average man spend on such things? What is the median male salary? And what is the median female salary? How many hours of unpaid domestic labour does the average woman expend? And what is the comparable figure for a man? How much worldwide pain and suffering is inflicted upon women by men? And how much in reverse?

The point in time at which those figures achieve parity is the point in time when I will enthusiastically offer to pick up the tab on a date. But I doubt it will be in my lifetime.

OK - off to don my flak jacket!!!!

I agree. Miserliness is deeply unattractive wherever it’s found. Culturally it’s been long accepted that the man will pay.
If he wants to risk appearing miserly by going halves, because that’s the more equal thing to do, crack on.

KittiKatkins · 13/01/2023 15:09

Petersonuk2 · 13/01/2023 14:26

He has tons and tons of options. Women only gravitate to the top 20% handsome men on OLD. The rest are invisible.

The fact that you offered him out on a date give the game away that he's very very handsome.

Nah - he wasn't handsome. Just slightly less vomit inducing than the average OLD man ......
But you are right, I shouldn't have suggested a date. I'll know for next time!

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minticecreamisjustok · 13/01/2023 15:14

I reckon all these excuses for not meeting quickly was because he knew you wouldn't find him a catch 😂 and you haven't heard since, he knows..

coolcahuna · 13/01/2023 20:22

Been here. Not quite so bad ! 2 long phone calls. Still no hint of a date.. wanted a third chat. I suggested that would be better in person.

Never heard from him again 🤣

ghjklo · 13/01/2023 20:23

IMO doing any form of OLD is time wasting in and of itself. Maybe it's time for a break. Too many losers out there!

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