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Husband's past secrets

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throwaway4759398534 · 11/01/2023 14:43

This has a lot of context necessary. I really don't have anywhere else to ask about this because of how many sensitive, private things are involved and I'm still not sure how I feel. Please be gentle

Background: husband and I been together 5 years, married a few months now, baby very shortly on the way. When we first met we were both very different people. I was working as an escort on and off, and disclosed this to him. He seemed oddly okay with it, and I suspected he had been a client of escorts, which looking at his social media confirmed. However when I asked him upfront, he claimed it was just one time. I later learned through speaking with escorts I knew this was not the case - it was at least several and he was well known to boot. This was the first major thing he concealed from me. I was still confused how I felt about the sex industry at this point and over the course of the next year we both felt worse about my working in that industry and I stopped. We developed quite strongly critical views of the industry, both prostitution and porn, from the perspective of women involved in it and what we view as detrimental effects on mental health/behaviour from those using it. This was informed by my personal experience on my end, about which I was very open about, and he talked a bit about why he had been a client and that he saw it as an immature way to behave and not acceptable. I was always very grateful that I found someone who was so accepting of my past and grew with me through (I thought) mutual honesty and respect.

When we talked about our sexual histories/relationships, he told me he had been involved in the sex party scene at university, and had often been a third for older couples, he also said he was offered the chance to do porn in Japan by a producer which he declined. He has a stable professional career which he has focused on instead. I never probed how or why he ended up in those circles, I took him at face value.

The second big lie/concealment was several times over the next 2 years. Through accidentally encountering notifications on his phone that sparked my suspicion, I then (mental health much worse at the beginning of relationship) looked through his phone and found he had a habit of messaging and even buying gifts for porn stars through their online wishlists. Sometimes quite expensive gifts, some of which he had brought for me on our second date.. More than once I confronted him about this, he responded by apologising and vowing to change, and it kept happening. I stopped confronting him about it and over the next year while I worked on myself through therapy, he to my knowledge seemed to have given it up. He abandoned a lot of his former habits and behaviours, as did I (with regards to self destructive habits), and we became closer and very stable, eventually becoming engaged after some years of stability and no further incidents. We have been very happily boring and married since.

This year I became pregnant, and began to worry about my past catching up with me, as I have known other women be blackmailed/exposed for working in the sex industry before. I never showed my face online, but I still worried. I also have trauma from that time and have been unable to discuss this fully with therapists. I can't afford private therapy and don't want to be flagged as an unfit mother for my past on NHS. By chance last night I found a website which performs searches based on facial recognition. I thought I would see if anything dodgy came up with my face, and luckily it didn't, I am extremely private. Just out of curiosity I put my husband's picture through. The website found screenshots from porn videos. I checked it was him, and it was. He wasn't having full sex or being aggressive - in fact he was a submissive, which again was new to me- and he was obviously very young, about 20. This was well over a decade ago but still being shared around (low views relatively, but still) as recent as this last year. To be honest I felt sick less because of the sexual context but because of how young he was and he looked sort of passive. It also was such a stupid thing for him to do, and I did stupid things at that age too, but anyone who wanted to could find this.

My first instinct was to wake him up and tell him calmly that by accident I had found he had been in some porn videos and I worried someone would join up the dots in the future. It was about 4am. He said something about how he's sure there's things about me I haven't told him and went back to sleep then off to work. I sent him a long message letting him know I wasn't angry or anything, just a bit worried, and also that I felt strange he had never mentioned this in our many conversations about both ourselves and the sex industry. I said I loved him and wanted to know every part of him, because it scares me that other people know things about him I don't. That I have told him everything about myself, if not always the minute detail of how I felt exactly. Which is true. He hasn't looked yet, he's at work so it's not the right time I guess.

I felt very empty today and detached. I am alone at home on mat leave. I tried to distract myself. I have just now started to feel some new emotion developing, where I am worrying about the extent of what else he might be concealing from me. How he rationalises why he doesn't need to mention things to me. And a bit of anger that I have been so warts and all about my life, and he never mentioned this. Knowing who he is now, I guarantee he feels ashamed of it, but I am ashamed of much of my past and shared it with him out of a desire for honesty, because I think love is based on truly knowing someone and growing with them, through and past difficult or unpleasant things. I feel like a mug in a way. I think he thinks if he pretends something never happened it didn't. But that puts me at a disadvantage. Because I think, who are you? Our past doesn't define us but it informs us.

Like I said I'm really not sure how I feel about it and I'm trying to keep calm and allow him to talk about it when he's ready. But he probably won't ever be ready, and he's adept at putting up emotional walls. He will likely distance himself from me which at this point in my pregnancy will be hard.

Do you think couples need to be completely honest with each other? Given the context of my own life, do you think it's okay for him to hide this, or is it his right to keep private?

Please be gentle I know this is a very salacious topic but this is my life and my family and it's very confusing.

OP posts:
Riverlee · 11/01/2023 14:51

Everyone has a history, and I don’t think couples need to reveal everything.

You say it was over a decade again, and he looked young, early twenties. Maybe it was a mad student thing he did, or a why of getting money as a student. Maybe he’s ashamed, embarrassed, or it’s part of his history he wants to forget. Maybe he feared how you would react (possibly had negative reactions from other ex-girlfriends).

Also, you may have been happy to share your past, but maybe he’s more private. Doesn’t mean he’s hiding anything, just the past is the past.

The important thing he has accepted you for who you are, warts and all, and has not judged your past (possibly partly due to his past).

Focus on how he is now, what he means to you, and your future, not the past. Don’t let the past define your future together.

namechange5575 · 11/01/2023 15:03

I think this is very triggering for you, and you are having a hard time detaching how this is making you feel, from how this might be experienced by him. Obviously these are big deals for you both, and I'm concerned you wish to rush him into action e.g. confiding things in you, that he isn't currently ready for. How would you have felt a few years ago if a partner wanted to know everything, to reduce his anxiety about what he didn't know about you?

I do understand your anxiety, being pregnant and feeling like he may be fairly unique / rare in understanding and not judging your experiences. Feeling like your security and happy family life is possibly under threat. But try to slow down and seek reassurance that he values what you have built as much as you do. He may be frightened of losing what he has, and so has compartmentalised that part of his history. He may not be able to integrate that part of himself into his current life yet, so avoiding these things is a way to protect you all perhaps. Try to disentangle your needs from his for now. I'd suggest couples therapy to support some construction discussion around this. They won't judge either.

Ofcourseshecan · 11/01/2023 15:07

Good advice here, OP. Try not to dwell on all this stuff. It’s in the past, as long as he genuinely has given up sending money to women online. Don’t let it spoil your present and future.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/01/2023 15:13

Oh love it's all so complicated and traumatic. I really hope you look after yourself and the baby.

On the question, no I don't think couples have to be honest and open about everything. The past is just that and everyone is allowed a private life. Having said that, you being so open and him not is a bit worrying. Maybe there's trauma there from what he was part of. But if it isn't coming out in unhealthy ways, if he is not part of that any more, maybe it's been processed for him. Maybe he's just good with himself.

The presents to porn stars I would have dealt with very differently. And that behaviour would not fly in my relationship.

An honest conversation about what is OK to hide (the past) and what isn't (current dodgy behaviours) might be useful.

And save up for some really specialised family therapy. It's worth it.

Choconut · 11/01/2023 16:02

I disagree with the other posters completely - he's buying gifts for porn stars, lying about stopping and they're all good with that??

He doesn't need to tell you every tiny detail, but honesty is very important to me and when it comes to things that might affect you then I think he does have an obligation to tell you - him turning up in porn could affect you, impact your children etc and I would want to be aware of that beforehand. Knowing you worked in the sex industry suggests you're going to be pretty understanding especially as he was young and it was a long time ago - so why didn't he tell you? Why tell you some things (like being a third and turning down Japanese porn) but not others?

The buying gifts for porn stars and then saying he will stop over and over and lying about it is a massive red flag. He has no problem doing things behind your back, lying about it and then doing it again. You allow it to happen over and over clearly showing him you have poor boundaries which he will happily exploit. I would suspect he is low on empathy and low on (genuine) remorse. He also bought you gifts that he also bought for them - that is very disturbing, IMO like he's treating you like you're his own real life porn star.

I don't think any of this is about him feeling embarrassed or a bit ashamed, these are not the actions of a humble man. Lying is a form of control, it controls your reaction to his behaviour, it smooths everything over and makes his life easy. Telling you some things and not other things is also about power and control - it wouldn't surprise me if turning down Japanese porn was a complete lie, if he was never really offered it. He enjoys the power over you - he knows what's true and what's not and you have no idea, you're stupid and gullible for not knowing so he feels clever and better than you.

You say later that if you bring this up he'll likely distance himself with you. Has he done that before? Given you the silent treatment? withheld affection? turned cold? That's another form of control - it teaches you not to bring things like this up, and by the sounds of it you are learning fast. You also talk about putting up emotional walls, they are to keep you out and to punish you, he knows you crave emotional closeness and those walls keep you in your place. They make you behave 'better'.

I'd be really worried if i was you OP, you don't trust this man and have been checking up on him on more than one occasion - I would go with your gut. I think you are vulnerable due to your past and don't have great boundaries, having a baby with him makes you even more vulnerable, more dependent on him.

Do you have a lot of support around you? Family and friends? Please don't let yourself become isolated so you become even more dependent on him. Just be careful OP, I really don't think this is a good man, please keep your eyes open and keep support around you.

SmileWithADimple · 11/01/2023 16:10

I agree with pp that buying presents for porn stars seems worse than this because it was when you were together. This is years before you met, I would try to put it behind you although obviously it's not a nice thing to find out.

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