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Am i broken and will I be able to trust anyone again?

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tennsj · 01/01/2023 14:42

This is going to be a long one so apologies in advance.

My whole life has been a series of people close to me letting me down in ways they shouldn't and this has meant I now trust no one and now as an almost 30 year old adult it is affecting my daily life because I can't trust anyone's intentions.

When I was 4 up until I was 11 I was sexually abused by my grandfather who was my mothers father. My parents both worked nights and so I was either looked after by my nan and grandad or my older sister.

I am the youngest by quite a bit with my brother being the eldest, he went into the army when he was 19 and I was 11 so our relationship was odd in the fact that I would see him for a couple of days every 6 months or so where he would spoil me by taking me out shopping or with his new girlfriend on days out.

My sister is 8 years older than me but has some learning difficulties and these make her quite immature. She doesn't deal with frustration well and so when dealing with 8 year old me not wanting to do something would get very physical and I have many memories of being dragged upstairs by my hair and crying myself to sleep. She would sometimes apologise in the morning and sometimes not. I vividly remember my parents having a conversation with my sister when I was around 9/10 telling her to stop hitting me as I was wetting the bed and starting to get very anxious and they had attributed this to how my sister was treating me when she was babysitting me.

When I was 11 before my father woke for his night shift and before my mother started hers, my mum was attempting to take me to my grandparents for the night and for the first time I refused to go. She questioned why over and over and I refused to tell her why. Finally she said if I couldn't give her a reason then I was going, so I told her everything! She burst into tears and was inconsolable, I stood there confused not knowing what to do. She didn't offer me any hug or tell me everything was going to be alright she simply asked if I wanted to go to the police. I was a terrified 11 year old girl so I said no! When my father woke up she told him I had been sick and she had to stay home with me. The next day she invited my grandad up to our house while my dad was out and while I hid upstairs in my parents bedroom. She told him what I had said had happened and asked him if it was true, he said no and then turned to talk about something on the tv. I know this because after he left I came down to ask what had happened and this is what she told me. She then told me we couldn't tell my dad because he would kill my grandad and it would cause massive issues in the family.

So I stayed quite. As I got older I would still be forced to see him, not alone but at family gatherings and I would do my best to stay away from him. Once on a visit home my brother questioned why I had cut my grandad out of a family photo I had on my bedside table, I lied that the photo didn't fit in the frame, he was really mad at me as the photo was from one of his passing out parades and he adored my grandfather, all the boys in my family did. I ran downstairs upset and pleaded with my mum to let me tell him because I didn't want him to be upset with me. She said if he I told him he would tell my dad and he would then divorce her. So I stayed quiet.

When I was 14 my grandad died. I attended his funeral with the rest of my family at a Catholic Church. After the service and after everyone had left the church where my grandfather was left so people could go in and pay their last respects privately. My uncle insisted each one of the grandchildren went in one by one to have one last moment with their grandfather. As it came to my turn I looked at my mum with eyes as to say please don't make me do this, please come up with some excuse, anything! She said nothing. So I did as I was told and stood looking at my grandads coffin, alone, just me and his dead body, this still haunts me to this day.

After this I got horrifically bullied inside and outside of school by people who were meant to be my friends. They would arrange to meet me somewhere and then all be waiting with eggs and flour. Or they'd all pin me down and take my trousers down or bag me as it was called then.

I can see now that because of things that had happened previously I had no idea how to set boundaries or to see when I was in an abusive relationship and get out and this continued for much of my adolescence and early 20s.

When I was 17 my dad got cancer and after a short illness he died. He was 52! I was broken. My dad had his faults for sure, he had the worst temper know to man and if he felt a certain way the whole house did but for all his faults I knew he loved me. So his loss was a big one but as I approached turning 18 I kept it alll in and never properly grieved.

I spent the next 4 years getting drunk ALOT and working, I did anything to stay out of the house away from my mum and sister. When I turned 22 I moved out and the relationship with my sister and my mum improved with some distance, I moved in with a girl I had been friends with for a while, she was quite controlling but it worked well for the most part, that is until I fell in love with her brother. She was furious and wanted me to move out if I was seeing her brother, I promised her I would stop because I couldn't go back to living with my mum and sister. So I called off but soon we kept seeing each other in secret because we really did love each other. Unfortunately he was terrified of his sister and after the fallout of her initially finding out we were together he didn't want that again so we kept it secret.

Until I fell pregnant!

The fall out from this was horrific! I was 23 and he was 24 and not ready to be a dad he was quite immature. I decided to keep the pregnancy and go forward on my own. I was kicked out of the house I shared with my friend and had no choice but to go live back with my mum and sister.

As the pregnancy progressed he decided he wanted to be involved and without the involvement of his sister we got back together and are still together now 8 years later!

Unfortunately I had awful PND and motherhood brought back horrific memories of my childhood that I couldn't stuff back in my head anymore. I decided to have the conversation with my mum that I had held off for so long.

In this conversation my mum admitted that she knew I was telling the truth about what my grandad did because he also did it to her!

I couldn't believe what I was hearing, she had knowingly put me in the hands of a pedophile!

Since then I have moved away from my home town and only see my family once every few months but even this takes a huge emotional tole and my mum insists on phoning every week.

My children adore her and my sister so I keep that relationship open for them really.

But after all this I just hate people, I can't trust anyone's intentions and I can honestly say it effects every single relationship I have in any form. If I could live just me with no human contact, that would be my preferred scenario.

I try really hard for my kids sake really but I really struggle. When I write it all down it seems I've spent my life being a victim, I try hard now to carry the victim mentality with me anymore but if anything it's meant I've now gone too far the other way. So to prevent me being a victim I've kept everyone as far away as possible so I can't be hurt again. It's really not healthy but it's what feels good for me. Anything else now feels highly unnatural and a lot of effort.

Am I going to be like this forever or are there things I can do to make this better?

OP posts:
Sweetchops22 · 01/01/2023 14:52

Oh you poor thing. I am sending you all my love. You need counselling for sure and lots of it…of course it will get better. I promise you. And seeking advice, even on here, is your first step. We will help you and support you as best we can.

category12 · 01/01/2023 15:02

I'm so sorry you went through all this. And I'm so sorry that your mum let you down like that. I know her own trauma plays into it, but it's so awful that she didn't protect you.

I think as pp says, counselling will help you if you feel ready. It may bring out a lot of memories and make things worse to begin with, however, so you may need extra support to start with.

NAPAC may be helpful to you. napac.org.uk/

tennsj · 01/01/2023 15:45

Thank you both! Private counseling isn't really an option at the moment money wise. I did go for one private therapy session years ago but I found I couldn't be honest so perhaps I wasn't ready then but I'm not sure I'd be able to be all that open now in all honesty.

It's easier writing it all down but even that is exhausting

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mycatsanutter · 01/01/2023 15:59

This is heartbreaking to read , I can see why you have no trust in people when your own mother has let you down so badly. Is therapy through the drs an option ?

Vaccine001 · 01/01/2023 16:08

Not one ounce of the abuse was your fault. Can you find therapy from the NHS?

category12 · 01/01/2023 16:19

I just wanted to add, you don't have to keep having the phone calls with your mother. She's no right to insist on anything from you.

Not sure how old your kids are but if they're at an age where they can manage their relationship with her and your sister a bit, I would let them and step back.

category12 · 01/01/2023 16:22

And it's not to your kids' benefit to keep the relationships going if it has this huge toll on you. What's important to them is you being as mentally and emotionally healthy as you can be, and if contact with your mum affects you negatively then it's actually in their interests to reduce it.

365names · 01/01/2023 16:25

Go on a waiting for nhs therapy

if you work ask for free counselling through work

I got private therapy through a charity worked out at £1000 for 18 months - worth every penny. Ready to move on now.

this is not
this is not
this is not

your fault

please pm if you want more info - join stately homes thread as well

NewStartNow · 01/01/2023 16:47

Similar situation to yours and I haven't looked back since I had counselling and became no contact with my mum.
Please do try to access some for yourself. Your mother has never validated your experience and probably still doesn't. It takes some picking through.
Lots of love to you. You deserved better

Straycatblue · 01/01/2023 16:53

I'm so sorry all of this has happened to you.

If your grandad also sexually abused your mum it's likely your sister was sexually abused as well & even if not, you have been raised in an environment where sexual abuse & the extreme pressure not to speak out is the normal (violence threats) & your mother sounds so incredibly damaged by her abuse that's she's clearly not been capable of making correct decisions around safeguarding you.

From what you've said about your dad's temper it sounds like neither you nor your mum felt you could confide in him about both yours & presumably her own abuse for fear of him.

I don't mean it to sound like I'm making excuses for your mum as clearly she has made very wrong decisions about protecting you but she may be so trapped in her own cycle of abuse & been emotionally stunted from sexual abuse at a young age that it might make her actions (or lack of) more understandable & therefore easier for you frame her betrayal in a way that might make more sense to you & help you to heal.

Regarding the other things that happened to you with the bullying etc & being concerned about bring a victim

You are very self aware that what have endured growing up has left you vulnerable & unable to create safe boundaries. You are seeking ways to heal yourself & that's an amazing sense of self awareness.

If paying for counselling isn't an option , how about seeking out reputable webinairs on youtube you can follow who may be able to help you make sense of things?
This might include finding inspirational people who have gone through similar struggles & listening/reading their stories of how they have survived & healed to help you find tools that assist your own recovery.

Another option for you, are there any local charities that do therapy animal sessions? I say this as there are some amazing programmes out there that might also help

tennsj · 01/01/2023 17:36

Hi everyone, thank you for your replies they are helpful and I will try and access some of the suggestions given.

I absolutely know that none of this was my fault and I cry regularly for child me who deserved so much better. My twins are now 6 and I work hard to give them everything I didn't not just in material things but emotional support, healthy relationships and lots of love. Seeing them growing into healthy, happy children is some what healing in itself! Although it does highlight how much I was let down.

In terms of helping myself I did a whole psychology degree that I finished last year and although it has helped in some areas it's also raised lots more questions and so I absolutely know I need more of a professional approach to unpack everything.

I guess I'm wondering if there's anyone who has been through counseling after trauma of this type and then been able to have connections with others again without being fearful?

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Watchkeys · 01/01/2023 18:14

and then been able to have connections with others again without being fearful

The person you need to trust in yourself. It's very, very rare that anybody will treat you in a way that makes you feel loved and wanted and peaceful inside, then turn suddenly into someone who does you massive harm: there are generally signs. The signs can be specific things, like bullying or manipulating or anything you can find on a list of 'red flags', but they can be other things too. What they all have in common is that they will make you feel, in some way, unpleasant. If you ignore feeling unpleasant around someone, they may get worse and worse.

Your job, as a person who trusts you to look after you, is to remove yourself from any relationship that offers you unpleasant feelings. Once you can do that, you don't need to worry about 'boundaries' or who's right or wrong, and you never need to worry about abuse again because the second someone puts a foot wrong, they're gone.

When we turn into adults, it means that we don't need our parents to look after us any more. The reason for that is that we are old enough to look after ourselves. But what we tend to do is look after ourselves in the same way as our parents looked after us. So, as a child, your feelings were dismissed by your elders, and now, they are dismissed by you. That's why you're struggling with boundaries: things were simply allowed to hurt you when you were a child, and that's the template you're working from. Work from a different template, now. If writing things down helps, do that. If it's tiring, do it in short bursts, but write what you feel, deep down. Get that voice into the world, even if it's just on a bit of paper that nobody but you reads. But allow that part of you to speak. She is your heart. She is the part of you that does 'happy', and if she feels unheard and frustrated, she won't be able to do 'happy' for you. Indulge her. Nurture her. Remove her from anybody who bothers her. She is your boundaries, and she tells you every time, but as long as you dismiss her, your boundaries will be ill defined and easily broken. Respect her, and her feelings, and she will ensure your wellbeing.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 01/01/2023 23:15

Hey
what a shit show you experienced there ☹️

really really rough

You sound very self aware
you’ve worked a lot of this out and understand yourself

if you can’t face counselling or afford it
maybe instead you contact the organisation mentioned above

and start to read and research and watch the experiences of others who have been through this ( basically the worst thing that can happen to a child )

how did they start to heal ?
how did trauma manifest
what helped them ?
What might help you

What Watchkeys said is very beautiful
and very true

HappyBunnyNow · 05/01/2023 06:24

Also agree that Watchkeys gave wise advice above, the more you feel confident that you can stand up for yourself and protect your boundaries and values the safer you will feel. You might feel quite angry when you start to do it more but that's ok, it takes practise to be able to set boundaries in a calm way. There are good, kind people out there who can enrich your life, you just need to take your time to observe and you will be able to identify them. Wishing you all the best.

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