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Does anyone else have a completely selfish dad who acts like a child?

23 replies

Anon778833 · 29/12/2022 20:48

I'm a woman and people have often said throughout my life 'I'll bet your dad is really proud of you'. The answer to this is no. He has never had any interest in me. I remember being a child and it was like he was competing with me for my mum's attention. And he would act like a jealous, older sibling.

He's also incredibly selfish, even to this day. If we go round to my parents for dinner with my daughters, there is this unspoken rule that my dad is going to have to eat at least twice what everyone else has, otherwise he'll have a fit.

It annoys me that my mum's choices have given me this crappy father, who never once was able to nurture my ability or provide genuine guidance. My mum had to be with someone disordered because she needs to be needed and needs to be told how well she's doing.

My parents are toxic. But I've never come across with anyone who has a dad like mine. Bizarrely, he also seems to have more time for his sister and my cousins than he does for his wife and me. This is weird....

My mum annoys me because she complains about how his selfish, childish behaviour impacts on her and expects me to empathise, but when that behaviour is directed at me, she sticks up for him 🤬

It's just so pathetic. I've been through therapy and I've tried to make myself an emotionally healthy parent for my own children.

I'm just wondering what is the cause of behaviour like the above.

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MontyBoston · 29/12/2022 20:52

I've an elderly toddler father too - well the terrible 82s. He was a golden child and cannot cope without getting his way. No-one can change him so for my family and my sanity, we're no contact.

MontyBoston · 29/12/2022 20:53

My father also seems more connected to his family of origin than to the family he created with Mum - I suspect because the marriage was troubled.

TedMullins · 29/12/2022 20:57

Oh yes. I recognise a lot of this. The competing with me for attention, having tantrums when he didn’t get his own way. He has a permanent victim complex. His is the result of a horrific childhood but he’s never had any therapy or help for the effects of it. My mum also enables and excuses him, when she complains about him I just repeat that she should’ve divorced him decades ago. I’ve distanced myself from both parents and their miserable lives.

MontyBoston · 29/12/2022 21:01

Crikey @TedMullins my dad had a really bad start too. Mum enables him as well. It's driven her to drink.

Anon778833 · 29/12/2022 21:02

I'm glad it's not just me!! Yes, my mum has always complained too and I've also pointed out that she could have left.

The only thing that has improved with time is that now he is getting old, he's no longer aggressive. He says hello to me now - he never used to. When I was growing up, he was very aggressive and goady towards me.

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Argg2054 · 29/12/2022 21:03

Yes. My father has the emotional maturity of a 19 year old.

Unfortunately my DM died when I was very young and left to his own devices he managed to make an absolute mess of everything. He is currently engaged for the 3rd time since she passed, the ink on his divorce papers (to a wife almost 30 years his junior) are barely dry.

He has also succeeded In raising my DSis to have every one of his poor personality traits and I dislike her even more than I dislike him. I also went to therapy in my twenties to deal with it all and found that the best option was to move overseas so I don't need to breathe the same air as either of them.

GalwayShawl · 29/12/2022 21:06

BE WARNED- these men don’t change.

My dad was always like this, selfish gammony patriarch, and when our lovely mum died a month ago we got a two word response: my condolences. She’s been Ill for months and we never once got a single text or phone call.

I will never see him again.

Anon778833 · 29/12/2022 21:26

My daughters and I have a really nice relationship. We never ever argue. I know that's probably unusual but we all get on really well. When I think back to my own childhood, all I can remember is constant criticisms of my character and feeling miserable and powerless. When I had my own children, the thought of verbally abusing them and trying to bring them down was just unthinkable to me.

So I don't think their own childhood is an excuse but that's just me.

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Anon778833 · 29/12/2022 21:27

GalwayShawl · 29/12/2022 21:06

BE WARNED- these men don’t change.

My dad was always like this, selfish gammony patriarch, and when our lovely mum died a month ago we got a two word response: my condolences. She’s been Ill for months and we never once got a single text or phone call.

I will never see him again.

Oh no, they don't change. This is why my mum annoys me when she complains. Especially because she expects me to feel sorry for her when she can't extend the same to me when he's awful to me. And she had a choice to be with him! I had no choice to be stuck with this non father.

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Shortbread49 · 29/12/2022 22:12

My mum is just like this no interest in me whatsoever and jealous if I do anything with my dad think she has an emotional age of around 10

TheArtfulStodger · 29/12/2022 22:26

Yep. Not exactly as you describe specifically, but man toddler nonetheless. I've made my peace with him being an utter douche canoe, I have learnt to navigate him being there, without making myself vulnerable enough to really hurt when he speaks off.

clpsmum · 29/12/2022 22:33

I don't have a dad like this but my children do. I always feel guilty for leaving him and becoming a single parent but this thread is giving me hope that I did the right thing and they are better off without him. Thank you all.

I am so sorry you had to go through this each and every one of you. You all sound like you have become well adjusted adults and fantastic parents despite your shit fathers

GalwayShawl · 30/12/2022 10:50

Anon778833 · 29/12/2022 21:27

Oh no, they don't change. This is why my mum annoys me when she complains. Especially because she expects me to feel sorry for her when she can't extend the same to me when he's awful to me. And she had a choice to be with him! I had no choice to be stuck with this non father.

My ninjas the balls to divorce him over twenty years ago which ill
alwaus be proud of her for

she was so kind and supportive when we had to out him into a nursing home last year. He couldn’t give a shit. Some men are just assholes

ferneytorro · 30/12/2022 11:07

MontyBoston · 29/12/2022 20:53

My father also seems more connected to his family of origin than to the family he created with Mum - I suspect because the marriage was troubled.

Oh god my dad was like this . Similar to you he and my mum had a terrible marriage and she waged a campaign from as far back as I can remember to educate me how awful he was. I used to think why is he not proud of me I’ve done ok and nice husband and child. Obviously now realise it wasn’t about me but it still hurt.

Beamur · 30/12/2022 11:11

Luckily my Mum divorced and since then I haven't had much contact!
They don't change.

LaBellina · 30/12/2022 11:20

Disgusting entitled men who don’t control their impulses and emotions because they always got away with it. Enabled because they became agressive whenever anyone challenged them. My ‘father’ is the same too. I hate him so deeply that I am planning to throw a party when he dies to celebrate that the world finally is rid of him.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/12/2022 11:31

re your comment about your dad:
"Bizarrely, he also seems to have more time for his sister and my cousins than he does for his wife and me".

I am not surprised to read this at all. These are more favoured and or authority figures to your dad and he needs their approval. Have a read of the Out of the FOG website and their section on personality disorders, particularly cluster B disorders like NPD.

He will not change and you have to let go of any and all residual hope he might. Your mother for her part continues to be with him and or otherwise enable him for her own reasons; she has thrown you under the bus too. As you yourself have written, "My mum had to be with someone disordered because she needs to be needed and needs to be told how well she's doing". That is what she learnt from her own childhood and further chose to inflict that same level of dysfunctional crap onto you.

Look at your boundaries here re your parents and raise them higher now.
At the very least I would stop going around there for dinner and from lowering such contact onto have nothing more to do with them.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/12/2022 11:34

Many people also have rubbish childhoods and choose not to go onto to abuse and or otherwise denigrate or otherwise harm their now adult offspring. These people still had a choice. Instead of seeking the necessary help they just repeated the same old that was doled out to them as children.

firstmummy2019 · 30/12/2022 11:34

My father was completely absent from my life from the age of 6 but my mum is how to describe. I only got peace when I went no contact about a year and a half ago. You don't owe your parents anything.

Anon778833 · 30/12/2022 18:45

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/12/2022 11:34

Many people also have rubbish childhoods and choose not to go onto to abuse and or otherwise denigrate or otherwise harm their now adult offspring. These people still had a choice. Instead of seeking the necessary help they just repeated the same old that was doled out to them as children.

This is how I feel about it. I never put my children down ever. I only ever say good things. I was punished for not acting like I was happy. And negatively compared to other peoples children.

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Anon778833 · 02/01/2023 19:56

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/12/2022 11:31

re your comment about your dad:
"Bizarrely, he also seems to have more time for his sister and my cousins than he does for his wife and me".

I am not surprised to read this at all. These are more favoured and or authority figures to your dad and he needs their approval. Have a read of the Out of the FOG website and their section on personality disorders, particularly cluster B disorders like NPD.

He will not change and you have to let go of any and all residual hope he might. Your mother for her part continues to be with him and or otherwise enable him for her own reasons; she has thrown you under the bus too. As you yourself have written, "My mum had to be with someone disordered because she needs to be needed and needs to be told how well she's doing". That is what she learnt from her own childhood and further chose to inflict that same level of dysfunctional crap onto you.

Look at your boundaries here re your parents and raise them higher now.
At the very least I would stop going around there for dinner and from lowering such contact onto have nothing more to do with them.

@AttilaTheMeerkat

Sorry, I've been trying to understand your explanation of why there are family members my dad fawns over and those who he couldn't care less about (us)

I had a look on the website. So is this sort of thing typical with cluster B disorders?

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Zerrin13 · 04/01/2023 01:56

You are definitely not alone. Mine is 84 and still couldn't care less about anyone. I won't be seeing him ever again

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