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I am so confused about whether i am abusive or he is?

33 replies

roses321 · 13/12/2022 12:29

Hi Everyone

I am new here and I don't know where to get help. I'm 38, no kids and partner is 46.

I have been with my partner for 4.5 years now and in May I bought a house with him and completely regret my decision, i have been an idiot.

We got engaged 1.5 years ago and there are no plans for a wedding, we should be happy but we're not.

Things have never been right and I have always told myself that it must be me, and to an extent I think that it was. I was extremely insecure when I got with him because I have known him for years and he has a history of contacting other women (one of them was me when he was in other relationships) and i always told him to get lost.

I met up with him purely by chance and he was really nice, I thought he must have changed with age as people sometimes do... but I behaved hugely insecure to start with and remember getting really insecure over the fact that he and his ex had a co ownership agreement over their dog - he would go to see her every week and then when we moved in together she would come to drop the dog off at our house - it was something i wasn't comfortable with at all but he made it clear that I was obviously a nutcase for having a problem with it and that it wasn't changing. I think my insecurity made me feel very upset about it and maybe I didn't put it forward in the best way but he basically said "this is how it is and it's not changing".

We moved into a rented place after 6 months seeing each other and my anxiety was absolutely insane. I admit freely i used the silent treatment because I just felt like he completely crushed me verbally in arguments, I would try to just avoid him and I didn't know how to go back and re-convene a row after i'd walked away - i know i have a problem with this and i have tried to explain it to him.

After a year I found him sexting and was heartbroken, it's like my gut was telling me all along but I thought that if I had been less anxious and less passive aggressive it wouldn't have happened so I stayed.

Eventually I left to live alone after he broke a door down when i walked away from him and he grabbed and shook me, this is on top of multiple other things that he did such as moving my furniture and trying to charge me money for things that I didn't have a choice in buying like sky tv which was his - he put a bill under my door once for £500. He also disconnected the internet although I admit that I gave him that idea because i did it to him once after he took away sky tv when I locked myself in the spare room and tried to put a film on.

I feel like i have been just as abusive. I have said horrible things to him before and always thought that if i'm better it will improve. I do try and he tells me "you just can't keep it up" when i eventually get upset with something.

After a year of living apart he proposed while we were camping, the ring was expensive and beautiful and i was over the moon, but even the day before that he had gone mental at me for wanting a bottle of water to take on a walk when we didn't have one. It ended in a massive row and I like i always do went to try and leave - i just literally run away from these situations because i can't cope with them. Sometimes i take it too far and say i'm ending the relationship or leaving the campsite and i know that is wrong.

So I bought a house with him still thinking it would be ok even though it really isn't but i hoped it would be and have always stuck to this amazing image in my mind of us together getting married and loving our home. Sometimes it seems like that is possible but I have noticed that the arguments are just something i can't cope with anymore. He makes things so personal, he attacks my character, he gaslights me and he uses things i've confided in him over as weapons in arguments. Sometimes i've reacted viciously and regretted it and tried to apologise, but he never apologises.

Everything that i look forward to gets ruined, i'm struggling with anxiety and my chest just goes tight when he is home and we're having a row because i just want to stay away from him. He has blocked me in rooms, tried to take my phone and even threatened me. He insults my family and tells me i'm crazy and mentally ill. When I had depression (probably as a result of this) he acted supportive but told me that i shouldn't come off my medication and he uses that as a weapon in arguments.

Before I went away with my sister he accidentally slammed my foot in the door because he was trying to get me out of the house and i was trying to get my coat - all because he was angry that i was walking away from a row. But I can't win with him because everything i say is wrong! that's why i walk away, because he makes it so personal and unkind.
I tried to raise chore division with him the other day and he told me i just walked around obsessing all day over things and that i was upset because i was hungry and stressed and just to leave him alone and then he started making it him vs me. I told him i didn't want to do that just to have a chat. I ended up crying and walking away.

He always follows me during arguments, he will follow me around insulting me and shouting about how he is right and I am wrong, tearing my character down and mocking me. I have told him not to but he carries on. He's even accidentally hit me with a door trying to barge into a room once.

I think that i am making him do this because i have been too controlling myself and that if i was a "normal" person then this wouldn't happen. I'm worried what he says about me is true and i just lock myself away and don't want to go to social events because i feel too upset and sad and don't have the energy to put on an act.

I really don't know what to do because i can't sell the house due to losing so much money, but i don't want to stay here and i know he will not leave either. Am I the abuser here? I have done things wrong and i am happy to put my hands up to those things, i know i have issues i've had therapy and gone on medication in the past so i have tried to address things.

OP posts:
wednesday32 · 13/12/2022 12:47

You need to leave. This is such an abusive situation and it is worrying that you have become so conditioned to the behaviour that you've convinced yourself him hitting doors on you are accidents. Please call the freephone, 24-hour National Domestic Abuse Helpline 0808 2000 247. You need professional advice, not people's opinions. I hope you get the help you need and deserve x

MothershipG · 13/12/2022 12:59

Even if you were being abusive ( you're not) this relationship is utterly toxic, you are not safe & you need to leave. Your safety is more important than money.

Do you have anywhere you can go? Anyone who would help you?

Lolapusht · 13/12/2022 13:00

It’s absolutely him. The “accidentally” bumping into you etc isn’t accidental. How is the house owned? Joint tenants? Co-owners? Who’s names are on the title deeds? How much deposit did each of you put in and is it protected with a deed of trust?

You need to not be together. He has destroyed your mental health (all that anxiety will probably go if he’s not around) and is physically and emotionally abusive and sounds quite controlling to boot.

LTB.

Tangelablue · 13/12/2022 13:01

You are minimising his behaviour. Have a look at what support your local DV services offer to help you understand what you are going through and to recieve support. He does not respect your boundaries and it sounds like he has emotionally and mentally ground you down. Is there ever a break from the arguments? They kinda don't sound like arguments but him having a go at you which you can't escape. I hope you feel able to leave and build yourself up again. You deserve better

Watchkeys · 13/12/2022 13:08

Don't spend time with people who turn you into someone you don't like. It doesn't matter whose 'fault' it is, just get away from them. There's no need to pull apart the situation and psychoanalyse.

Do you feel yourself to be abusive with anybody else in your life? If not, it's clear where the toxicity lies.

Sausagelove · 13/12/2022 13:09

He can be made to leave by the court.

You need to ring woman's aid urgently and get professional support. They have specialised solicitors that can help you for free.

roses321 · 13/12/2022 13:09

The house is owned completely jointly 50/50 and the same on deposits as well.

Arguments are around every couple of weeks - between that things will be normal it's weird. Normally it's me "causing the arguments" because of some discussion or issue that i have around something but I think that is just what women do isn't it? We're always the ones who want to discuss chores or our feelings but apparently that isn't ok so i just have to say nothing ever. When he brings issues up i listen and take action on them.

OP posts:
Thesnowfellfast · 13/12/2022 13:09

If someone takes a can of coke and shakes it up and down for 5 minutes and then opens it up, who's fault is it? The coke? Or the person doing the shaking?
Google reactive abuse. When someone wears you down over a period of times until you react, then makes out that you are completely unreasonable for how YOU reacted to THEIR behaviour.

Abusive people very rarely question whether they are the abusive one. They don't give a shit and often believe they haven't don't anything wrong.

Please (safely) look up domestic abuse and see if there are more things that flag up for your partner.
If there's someone you can talk to about it IRL, please seek support.
Alternatively there are domestic abuse charities or women's aid. They will help.

Please consider leaving. It WILL get worse over time. It never gets better if you stay Flowers

ImprobablePuffin · 13/12/2022 13:10

OP can you personally see how toxic this relationship is? Do you think it's toxic or normal?

Don't ever bring children into this situation and please please just leave and be happy in a non abusive situation. You deserve more than this bag of shit

ActionThisDay · 13/12/2022 13:10

This is a toxic relationship, he is abusive and you should get out.

You mention a few things you've done that you're not proud of. It's quite wrong to think that, unless you've always behaved perfectly, you have to put up being abused. It's very common for abusers to gaslight their partner by pointing to small imperfections to justify their abuse. Nothing justifies physical violence nor insulting you and mocking you.

DowntonCrabby · 13/12/2022 13:10

It’s him and it’s awful and toxic. You deserve much better, please get out. Flowers

Thesnowfellfast · 13/12/2022 13:10

Opens it up and the contents spray everywhere *

roses321 · 13/12/2022 13:11

Also I do have a history of bad relationships and have been abusive in the past, my dad was abusive growing up and i had a lot of issues b/c of that but i have really made a concerted effort with therapy, self reflection and coaching. I'm not saying i am perfect because i am not but i care about the kind of person i am and I don't want to be a bad person. he knows about my history and he brings it up in every argument as proof that it's my fault. I feel completely ashamed and like i can never moved forward with my life and be better because everything i do is considered "more of the same" when he wasn't even there.

I have stayed friends with my exes - on good terms no matter what issues we had. He says that he doesn't have this issue with anyone else just me, but he told me that his ex was "crazy" when we met.

OP posts:
pursuedbyablackdog · 13/12/2022 13:12

Wow, no this is not okay, he's absolutely vile.
Much easier said than done but you need to leave, and you need to stay away. He's treating you like a puppet on a string. Just when you've had enough of his crap behaviour he gives you a little gem of kindness or a gift. He knows exactly what he's doing to you.
Break free from from the mental chains he's using on you.
You'll be so much happier. Good luck, and well done for seeing his true colours (mouldy colours to fit with his mouldy personality!).

Watchkeys · 13/12/2022 13:13

I don't want to be a bad person

If you made someone else stay in the situation you are in, would that be a good thing to do to them?

roses321 · 13/12/2022 13:14

I do think it's toxic and i related to a lot of the things that are being said but i don't really "believe" that I am not at fault - i keep thinking if only i do this or that then i will be able to be good enough to fix it.
I ended up just screaming at him that i wanted out. I have taken my ring off and i will never put it back on again to be honest.

OP posts:
ActionThisDay · 13/12/2022 13:17

To be honest, you're allowed to leave whether you're at fault or not. You don't have to be the good guy. You're not happy, so leave.

roses321 · 13/12/2022 13:20

When i said i related to things being said i mean things being said on the domestic abuse sites that i've seen and things i've read about. I just don't really get it to be honest - i don't know why he bought a house with me then.

I don't want to leave my home and have to rent somewhere and pay the mortgage how can i afford that!?

OP posts:
Mercurian · 13/12/2022 13:22

Why does it matter who is abusive or who is worse an abuser?
This relationship is not working. It's unhealthy and damaging.

Are you asking because you're thinking of getting a court order against him? As if he owns the property jointly the only way you can keep him away is if there is abuse. Are you asking in case you're entitled to go to a refuge?

I fear that if you two stay together one day things will escalate and you'll be looking in losing more than money. I'm talking a criminal record and possibly prison.

You need to talk to him about how you can move on forward separately. You could get legal advice on your options: buying him out, renting out the property, some financial arrangement between you two, forcing the sale through court.. there are many options. You might need a mediator and for one of you to either stay out of each other's way (working opposite shifts might help) or one of you to move out even if it means staying with family.

I hope neither of you drinks or does drugs because stuff like this can easily escalate to stabbing and more.

TheLeadbetterLife · 13/12/2022 13:24

Just sell the house, move on and get some therapy for yourself.

He is abusive, whether you’ve also said things you shouldn’t is irrelevant. The relationship is a toxic mess either way and clearly has been from the start.

He will not change. Make that your mantra and get out.

DrPhilYourGuts · 13/12/2022 13:28

Why does it matter who is the most abusive? You are clearly not compatible, you're both definitely unhappy and the reality is people in these situations spiral downwards not up.

This will only get worse for both of you.

End this relationship, continue with therapy and move on without looking back.

emptythelitterbox · 13/12/2022 13:29

Yes you're being abused.
He manipulates and gaslights you.

Are you still in therapy?
If so, tell them all.the things he's done to you.

Do you have friends and family to confide in? Do they know how he is?

You really don't have to stay.
PPs have made great suggestions on where to get help.

Thingsdogetbetter · 13/12/2022 13:33

I'm going to be blunt and crude, but I'm not going to use the words abusive or dysfunctional or toxic. OP you seem to be overthinking, rationalising and analysing too much when you should be acting. Trying to weigh up fault and ascertained blame when all that is doing is procrastinating and freezing you from action.

So.......this 'relationship' is fucked. It started out fucked, it continued to be fucked and will continue to be even more fucked. NOTHING you can possibly do or say will be able to stop it being fucked!! Nothing - there is no foundation to build on and no relationship to save.

Yes you'll lose some money on the house, maybe a lot of money - does that outweigh your mental health and/or happiness? The longer you stay, the more money you'll lose, the more fucked this relationship will be.

Pack a bag, turn up on friends or family's doorstep. Regroup and then get into the fight to sell the house and recoup what money you can.

Winterswomderer · 13/12/2022 13:33

It’s not a competition or a mutually exclusive situation, you can both be abusive .

the relationship doesn’t work. It’s toxic and dysfunctional and neither of you are happy. You need to separate and deal with the house

PinotPony · 13/12/2022 14:09

It doesn't matter who is at fault or who said what. The relationship is fucked and will only get worse, along with your mental health.

Pack a bag and go to stay with a friend or family member. The priority is to get out so you can cheat your head and think straight.

Then tell him you are breaking up and will be putting the house on the market.

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