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A mid-life crisis or a selfish wake-up call to change a bleak future?

49 replies

Headinthesandmindinthegutter · 04/12/2022 02:47

I want to start by saying I'm looking for anyone to condone my actions. I know I'm in the wrong and that I've been selfish. I'm not sure what I'm looking for here, but I think I just need to vent somewhere where no-one knows me, so apologies for some vagueness (and for the length of this post).

I'm almost 40, married over a decade, together for almost two. I work full-time, Husband can't work due to severe mental health issues. We have no intimacy - not much physical touch at all - and no sex for a few years (practical, emotional and hygiene issues). He doesn't really go anywhere or do anything, just distracts himself gaming all day. Doesn't really do anything at home - we live in a tip but that's partly my lazy fault too. He doesn't look after himself or seem to want to improve his or our life. He is pretty much always angry, lethargic, depressed and irritated. We do have our in-jokes and things we both find funny, and I know he loves me. He knows me better than anyone and puts up with my own struggles.

I have buried my head in the sand for a long time, but it's dawned on me recently that we don't have much of a life. We're pretty stagnant; just flatmates that share a bed and a bank account. All the responsibility and life admin is on me and I keep making really bad, lazy money decisions. We're in a lot of debt and I can't keep up. The future feels pretty bleak for a number of reasons. I'm not happy or content or fulfilled (which I do acknowledge is all my own responsibility). I hate admitting this but I resent his illness and his lack of enthusiasm for life. I feel dragged down by it; it affects everything. I know that's not fair - none of this is his fault. He is funny and kind with a wonderful heart, strong morals and good intentions. And I do love him dearly, despite what I've said and what I'm about to say.

Recently I did something that I can't take back, and I don't know if I can live with it. Telling him could push him over the edge, when he already hates himself and feels life is pointless. He struggles to hold onto life daily. But I feel like every day is a lie now and he doesn't deserve that.

I've always fancied other people, which I know is just human nature. The levels of crushes and fantasies are up and down, and there's not really been anyone for a while. But a few weeks back I had a moment with my latest 'crush', who I work with and have not known very long. I was drawn to him quite quickly, I liked being around him, and actively put myself in a situation where it was just us, after we'd both had a few drinks (but tbh weren't massively drunk). He kissed me. I genuinely wasn't expecting it, no-one else has come onto me for almost two decades, but I didn't push him away. I kissed him back. And I didn't stop him as he took my clothes off. Some things did happen, we definitely crossed a line, but we didn't have sex. I stopped that. I admitted I wanted to but said I couldn't - I think the shock and guilt properly kicked in. I will say at this point - he knew I had a Husband, and I knew he had a Wife. He said what happened was spur of the moment and he's never done that before - I don't know whether to believe him as he's very charismatic and persuasive and seemed pretty unfazed by what we'd done.

Weirdly, and this will make me sound like even more awful but after the initial shock wore off, I didn't actually feel much guilt. I just wanted to do it again, and this time go further. I know that's wrong. He's all I can really think about and he knows that. I do have proper feelings for him, but most I think are based purely on lust - as cringy and cliche as it sounds he has awoken something in me; a desire to enjoy life, to find passion and joy. And for a bunch of reasons, I don't know that I can do either of those with my Husband.

I always thought I had morals and integrity; I never thought I'd ever cheat on him. It also never crossed my mind that one of my 'crushes' would want to have anything to do with me. My self-esteem is basically zero so I never really thought about it. But now I'm contemplating my entire future and it feels so selfish. It's not just about this new guy either - I'm 90% sure it just happened because we get on well, there's a bit of flirty chemistry, and I just happened to be there when he was horny. But it's got me thinking about what else could be out there - even if that is just adventure and some fun. It's not necessarily a 'grass is greener' situation, and I may end up alone. But I already feel pretty lonely with someone who doesn't really want to be here anymore. Someone who I have now betrayed, and who definitely deserves better than this.

TL;DR I'm selfish and unfulfilled and I crossed a line with someone who is not my Husband. Not wanting to live a lie or break his heart but now contemplating my entire future. Depression sucks the joy out of life and I've made it worse.

OP posts:
Snnowflake · 04/12/2022 09:03

Do you have children.

jetadore · 04/12/2022 09:24

He said what happened was spur of the moment and he's never done that before - I don't know whether to believe him as he's very charismatic and persuasive and seemed pretty unfazed by what we'd done.

Don’t believe him, he has done it before.

But I feel for your situation, I was in a similar position but not married so was easier to end the relationship, you need to confront the issues in your marriage, it’s no way to live.

Georgeskitchen · 04/12/2022 09:25

What an awful life. I wouldn't wouldn't prepared to tolerate this. Mental health or not, he needs to sort his life out. Get to the doctor, proper therapy etc.
You need to sort out the debts with the proper payment plan, divorce the loser, get out socialising, and find a nice man for a bloody good rogering 😉

MoanySloney · 04/12/2022 09:30

Please leave your DH.

My DSIS was in a miserable marriage like this when she died in her 30s. Life is too short to be miserable. She gave him everything and he pretty much replaced her with his next victim before her body went cold. He didn't love my sister he just wanted a replacement mother.

Even if you do only ever end up alone, it's easier to be alone than have someone dragging you down with them.

Greenfairydust · 04/12/2022 10:19

Leave.

Don't stay in such a miserable marriage.

It is likely that once you leave your partner will also have to finally sort his life out.

You are not responsible for his mental health and at the moment you are enabling his lack of action by supporting his lifestyle and pity party.

FermisLeftFoot · 04/12/2022 10:41

I definitely would NOT believe Mr unfazed ’never done this before’ - he sounds very practiced.

But I agree with others that you are not really in a marriage anymore, you’re his mum/career. It doesn’t sound like your husband does a lot to try and manage his mental health, and I honestly don’t know how you have coped with doing it all while he lives off your work - financially and practically. What is his exact diagnosis and what sort of mental health services does he receive? Because if his mental health issues are this severe (can’t work, keep up his hygiene or do any sort of housework) he is surely under the care of mental health services?

FrownedUpon · 04/12/2022 10:51

Your marriage sounds like hell. No one would find someone gaming all day & not working attractive. It sounds like he doesn’t even shower? He should be working on treatments for his MH.

He has an easy life which you’re enabling. You need to escape the marriage and build a new life for yourself.

Luredbyapomegranate · 04/12/2022 10:53

There’s some good advice above, and basically it boils down to

You can’t live like this - either your marriage improves or you need to leave

You need to sort out your debt

And sort out your own mental state so you can take some action

So I would

Talk to your GP. They might feel like some low level meds might be helpful to lift you out of this depression. I know you are broke but if it’s possible to access some low cost counselling that could be really useful to start to form an action plan.

Go and see step change or citizens advice to form a plan for your debt. They can help you talk to the companies and arrange a payment plan. Do NOT pay one of the commercial consolidation agencies - you will end up paying more. When you talk to them, explain that you may be separating, so they can think about 2 scenarios.

Give yourself a short period of time to think about your marriage - till January is good. Do you actually want to stay in it? If you do, then you need to have a serious conversation with your husband about changing his life style. To be honest, the chances of you getting him to do that are slim - so you should also go and see a solicitor to find out how a separation would work.

As long as you take action life will be so much better a year from now.

daisychain01 · 04/12/2022 12:02

In your situation I would address the root cause, not the symptoms of your big life problems.

Leave the marriage which is dragging you down, start your own new life, start afresh, and what you'll most likely find is that a lot of your problems will feel much less acute. Leaving your failed marriage (no judgement, but it is failed), will give yourself a fighting chance of making better financial decisions and living a more organised life because you don't have a millstone dragging you down, clouding your judgement and crowding your headspace, which will make the world of difference to your mood.

seeing the wood for the trees will then enable you to address any residual areas of challenge, but the majority will be fixed by clearing out the dead wood. You only have one life, live your best life.

Peekachoochoo · 04/12/2022 12:50

I had a friend who was in a similar position to you. Husband who had previously been a senior manager in IT, had a mental health issue, had been out of work several years, wasn't doing a lot, etc. She worked full time in a professional job and carried the mental load. Nothing she did or said made a difference.

She had an affair and ended up leaving him. Happily married to new man now. Ex-husband miraculously got his act together and started temping and rented a house. He now has a full time permanent job. She still sees him and he's still the Eeyore he was ever was but leaving him gave him the push he needed.

Everything happens for a reason.

Puppaccinn000 · 04/12/2022 13:08

You are still relatively young !

You deserve a better life

No time to waste & you don't want to be in the same position in one month, one year.....

Make a plan & take action

Make some positive changes for yourself
Prioritise yourself

Sort out the debt

Start the divorce/ seperate

He is not a child, he is an adult, who needs to start being responsible for himself

Goodluck

Alcemeg · 04/12/2022 13:33

OP you keep describing yourself as selfish, as though this is something to be deeply ashamed of. But you have been wholly unselfish for a very long time, prioritising your DH's apparent needs over your own.

Try rephrasing "being selfish" as "accepting responsibility for my own happiness" – something we must all do.

I mention your DH's "apparent" needs because this does not sound like a healthy relationship and, as other PPs have said, he might do better on his own.

Headinthesandmindinthegutter · 04/12/2022 23:33

Hi everyone, firstly thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I was nervous to read the responses because I don't feel like I deserve any kindness or such sound & measured advice. And every response seems to have a similar theme, which is one I wasn't really expecting. A few things I should clarify:

He does get some benefits but it's not a huge amount. I have tried to encourage some part-time work or voluntary work but he seems to think he "should" be working full-time so any less is a failure. Very black and white thinking. I know that just doing something, anything really, would be good for his mind and self-esteem but the more I mention it, the more inward he goes because he feels ashamed. It makes him hate himself more. And I feel like an uncaring nag, whose really shit at any kind of confrontation, so I drop it. I've not mentioned to him but I'm looking at getting a part-time job. People may think that would give him a wakeup call but honestly I think he may just spiral more. But I've got to do something.

We don't have kids. I'm always wanted to but it does terrify me. I don't want to delve into that all too much at the moment but am aware I've probably missed the biological boat, all things considered. I'd absolutely look at fostering and/or adopting in the future - but tbh am aware his mental health issues may prevent that. Plus, could he deal with the stress of parenting? Could I? I fear it would cause more resentment to build as I know I would be the one responsible for everything.

I definitely feel I am just existing. Just drifting from one day to the next, not much to look forward to. I'm on some medication myself but plan go back to the Dr's for a review and will try to get some counselling through work. Having a neutral and objective person will hopefully help, as writing about things here has done. With regards to my issues they're fairly low-level compared to his - not trying to diminish my feelings by saying that, but he despises himself, can't cope with the world and thinks about suicide daily. Whatever is going on in my head is a shitshow but it's not as bad as what's going on in his.

I've known for a long time that we have been stuck in a rut. And something that is scaring me is my indifference to our wedding anniversary. I don't exactly radiate joy all the time anymore, but I don't know if my apathy is due to some actual underlying guilt, or that I feel like I'm now living this lie (after all that is how I think I'd feel if the shoe was on the other foot) or if it's because I'm just numb & depressed.

We haven't tried marriage counselling but it's something we talked about a good few years ago. I guess things have been shitty on and off for a long time. I feel like if we do go, but I don't confess that I cheated, then in theory anything that we may resolve will still feel like a half-truth. I don't know that I can work at fixing things if I don't tell him everything. I think I'll always feel like whatever progress we made would be based on a lie. And then I'll get that feeling I got when I picked out his anniversary card - I don't even know the word to describe it but I felt a kind of hot burning in my stomach.

He is medicated but the mental health team discharged him so he only sees the GP. He just kind of went along with it but I should have advocated for him better. He does say he wants me to find someone better, that I deserve better than him. Maybe if he knew what I had done he'd hate me - would that be easier? For him to just be angry with me rather than heartbroken if he knew the truth?

Sadly I think I agree about work crush guy - he's a fantasy and I'm pretty convinced that if I pursued anything, single or otherwise, he'd probably break my heart. Karma perhaps. This may sound ironic but he's been nothing but respectful since it happened to be fair and has subtly kept his distance and jovial banter to a minimum. Even when I awkwardly confessed how I felt, he seemed pretty adamant that we can't/shouldn't do it again. That he did feel guilty. But he does seem to contradict himself sometimes. I keep thinking - maybe as I was just there that night with him, giving him signals, he just decided he'd try his luck. Or he really does do this kind of thing a lot and thought I'd be an easier shag perhaps? I can't really work it out.

We have taken some steps with regards to the debt (DMP and creditor agreements). But I've let it get worse and don't even really have anything to show for it. It's paid bills but also bought takeaways when neither of us have the energy to decide what to eat, let alone cook. And there are only so many nights we can exist off instant noodles or toast. Trying to change that though, I know it's one of our more expensive and unhealthy habits. The debt is a drain, credit scores are awful, and we live month to month/week-to-week. I swing between feeling overwhelmed by it and, once again, burying my head in the sand.

I never really thought I was an enabler, but I guess by being such a passive doormat I've kind of morphed into one. There have been a lot of times of walking on eggshells at home, of feeling like maybe he was gaslighting me, but it's never really felt intentional. I don't think he has meant to make me feel this way. As much as he doesn't help himself, it really isn't his fault. He's completely stuck too. He can be so negative but at other times can be this big silly goofball. And he says his suicide is inevitable but then when COVID kicked off he was scared to go out at one point in case he caught it - so this may be my own black & white thinking but to my mind, that's not necessarily the action of someone who wants to die. It's more that he feels death is the only way out, the only way to escape the demons swirling around in his head, other than his current methods of distraction which only do so much.

Thank you all again for reading this and replying as non-judgementally as possible. It's honestly appreciated and has given me lots to think about. It's terrifying. But I'm not acting straight away. It would be one hell of an upheaval and I need to be sure I'm ready to face it. There are some dark days ahead in family life, outside of our marriage, so timing as ever is awful. But there's never a right time, I know. I know I have to be brave but I'm not really sure how yet. Not without potentially leaving a trail of destruction behind.

OP posts:
FermisLeftFoot · 05/12/2022 08:47

OP I feel so bad for you. But if you reread what this marriage has done to you it’s so bleak.

Whether he means to or not, he has drained you of all your joy and destroyed many of your goals and dreams. You’ve probably missed your chance to have biological children, and of course with things how they are and have been for so many years, it doesn’t seem like this would be a healthy environment for a child even if you went down the adoption route.

You are in debt with a poor credit rating, you carry the entire financial and practical burden and you receive little to nothing in the way of intimacy and emotional support yourself.

You also have to cope with someone who is low level holding their suicide over your head day in and day out. Whether he means to or not, this is emotional blackmail. You feel compelled to stay with him in case he does do it (although as you have seen with Covid it is likely ideation and not a true desire to end his life).

Being discharged from mental health services to GP care - when did this happen and what sort of care does he get? Because although MH services are very stretched, someone, as I said before, with a genuine inability to pretty much do anything really sounds like he should be receiving a higher level of care.

I am quite cynical i’m afraid of his assertion he can only work full time so won’t even look for a part time job - and of course I assume he also feels he is not well enough for full time. That essentially rules out any job prospects at all and him just saying he hates himself and you should leave him also plays into your sense of guilt and obligation to him.

Whether or not he means to do any of this you have to start looking at your life and the devastation how he is has caused. You’re existing, not living, and this is not a marriage. You stay because you feel bad but you’re carrying such a huge load.

He says you should find someone else but does he really think that? If he really thought you deserved better why has he done so little to manage his mental health? He is obviously well enough to game so his cognition is ok. He could at the least cook and clean and take that load from you, but he doesn’t. Simply saying he hates himself as an excuse is not really good enough, because he’s also giving a very good impression of hating you. You might recoil at that idea - but look at the position he forces you into and what he’s done to you and your life on every level. I wouldn’t do that to my worst enemy.

cantley · 05/12/2022 09:25

Sending so much sympathy.
It sounds to me like you've reached rock bottom and to save yourself and not waste any more of your precious life, you need to be brave and make some big changes.
I think counselling would be a start to see if you want to stay with him.
If you're looking outside your relationship for affection that's certainly a flag that things aren't right.
I hope you can start small with changes and hopefully you'll be more optimistic about life.
Good luck.

billy1966 · 05/12/2022 09:38

Puppaccinn000 · 04/12/2022 13:08

You are still relatively young !

You deserve a better life

No time to waste & you don't want to be in the same position in one month, one year.....

Make a plan & take action

Make some positive changes for yourself
Prioritise yourself

Sort out the debt

Start the divorce/ seperate

He is not a child, he is an adult, who needs to start being responsible for himself

Goodluck

Absolutely this.

Your marriage is over and you do not owe this man your future while he games.

Be brave.

Make plans.

Do not be here 10 years from now bitterly regretful of very poor decisions.

You do not owe him hour future.

Leave him to his gaming.

Alcemeg · 05/12/2022 11:40

OP your situation sounds grim, I am so sorry. Things can only get better, and I think you have already taken the first necessary step by sharing your story here and seeking input from others. I know how terrifying that can be, and I hope you’re finding it helpful and will continue to post.

Having been in a nervously codependent marriage for many years that choked the life out of me, I might be projecting onto your situation, but a few things jumped out at me that are worrying.

The more I mention [tiny steps towards compromise], the more inward he goes because he feels ashamed. It makes him hate himself more. And I feel like an uncaring nag, whose really shit at any kind of confrontation, so I drop it.
He is deeply invested in keeping the status quo, and knows how to press your “Oh, poor love” buttons so that even your gentle suggestions are twisted against you. Also, someone who hates themselves is simply not able to love someone else.

One day, perhaps today, please take a walk outside and sit somewhere quiet, surrounded by nature, and ask yourself: “Am I an uncaring nag?” And listen to your heart.

Life might actually become a lot easier for you if you were less caring, and/or became more nagging! But he sounds like a master manipulator. (My ex-DH kept telling me I was cold and selfish. And I believed him! In retrospect, guess who was the cold and selfish one?)

I've not mentioned to him but I'm looking at getting a part-time job.
Being unable to share basic information like this with your DH means that this is not a relationship of equals. You are tiptoeing carefully. This is no way to live.

There have been a lot of times of walking on eggshells at home, of feeling like maybe he was gaslighting me, but it’s never really felt intentional.
Maybe not intentional in the sense of being fully conscious; but this kind of manipulation is his lifeline, or at least he thinks it is, which is why he continues this coercive control.

I think he may just spiral more. But I’ve got to do something.
His “spiralling” may look very different, but the effect on you and your life is the same as a maniac wielding a bloodied axe over your head.

He feels death is the only way out, the only way to escape the demons swirling around in his head, other than his current methods of distraction which only do so much.
As adults, each of us must find a way of coping with life. His way is for you to do it on his behalf. That’s not a solution for either of you.

Re children, you haven’t necessarily missed the boat entirely yet, but if you want them you need to get cracking. And not with him!
I fear it would cause more resentment to build as I know I would be the one responsible for everything.
Yes; and not just that – this is not a healthy home to bring children into.

Above all, this:
With regards to my issues they’re fairly low-level compared to his – not trying to diminish my feelings by saying that, but he despises himself, can’t cope with the world and thinks about suicide daily. Whatever is going on in my head is a shitshow but it’s not as bad as what’s going on in his.
And this is how you hand your future to him on a plate, and he puts you in service to his learned helplessness. He has this suicide threat that is the ace up his sleeve, and plays it constantly to keep you in your place.

that feeling I got when I picked out his anniversary card – I don't even know the word to describe it but I felt a kind of hot burning in my stomach.
This is your gut ringing very loud alarm bells. Please don’t ignore it!

I know how difficult it is when you literally feel responsible for his survival. Try to reframe it in terms of him being better off on his own. He has some growing up to do, and you can’t do it for him. He must know this too, deep down, and his real struggle is with his refusal to take responsibility for his own life. This is why his soul is in such constant dread and darkness: alarm bells are ringing for him too, and he too is ignoring them. Enjoying success in the fake world of gaming is not enough: he must learn to function in the real world.

He does say he wants me to find someone better, that I deserve better than him.
Good! He’s right.

Work crush guy has helped give you a wake-up call. Be grateful for that, and act on the information: it shows you something very fundamental that is missing from your marriage. Once you get out, you will begin to notice many, many other things that are missing too.

I’m sorry your financial situation is so scary. Mine was, too: my ex-DH earned nearly twice what I did, but I had to pay half the bills, and was always stuck in rubbish jobs. Since we split, I have flourished, partly because I have the bandwidth to cope with much more. Looking after him was like a full-time job, or like bringing up a family of six. I now earn four times what he does. I ended up not having kids, but I had a lot of fun (oh god, the sheer thrill of getting laid!!!!!!!!! sex purely for desire, for the first time in my life, when I was your age!!!!!!) and learned all kinds of things about life after leaving him, and am now married to the kindest man in the world. I don’t regret not having kids – I enjoy my freedom.

I know I have to be brave but I’m not really sure how yet. Not without potentially leaving a trail of destruction behind.
There is already a trail of destruction, OP. The one he is leaving in your life. You live every day in a heightened state of anxiety, facing a childless future, on the rocks financially, and he is (literally!) dead set against giving you even the faintest glimmer of hope.

Addressing this increasingly urgent situation will be the most difficult thing you’ve ever done, but it will be worth it. And look how strong you are! Look what you already manage to cope with somehow, every day. You can do this – you just need to turn the focus of your concern inwards.

Sorry for the essay! As usual @billy1966 (and other PPs) have put this more succinctly. But hopefully you get the message Flowers

Alcemeg · 05/12/2022 11:46

ah shit I forgot to mention FOG

see e.g.
outofthefog.website/toolbox-1/2015/11/17/fog-fear-obligation-guilt

...but Google is your friend

While you're at it, look up coercive control 🙃

TortugaRumCakeQueen · 05/12/2022 12:30

I've been on Mumsnet for a very long time, and I think this is probably the saddest thread I have ever read.

Op, you are not his mother. He sounds utterly life draining. He's watching you do all the work, and pay for everything, whist he sits gaming and doing nothing? Wow, he has it good, doesn't he? Of course he withdraws if you suggest he should actually get off his arse and get a job. He has you paying for everything, doing everything, he doesn't want to work, and if you say anything, he puts you back in your box by mentioning suicide. He sounds like a master manipulator. He does not sound like someone with morals. He does not sound like he loves you. He's watching you live a miserable life, because it suits him. He is using his mental health as his trump card, every single time.

I don't think anything serious would happen with the guy at work, even if you pursued it, BUT, he has given you the wake up call that you have so badly needed.

I had an almost identical thing happen to me, actually. I had found out that my DH had been cheating on me, with several women, for our entire 20 year relationship. I stuck with him, because we had children and our finances were so intertwined - house, car, etc, but as the years went by, I was becoming increasingly restless at his deception, and found myself thinking about what life might be like without him / with another man. Anyway, on a night out, I got chatting to a very handsome man, and out of nowhere, he suddenly kissed me. It was a LIGHTBULB moment for me, and the beginning of the end of our marriage. That one kiss was the catalyst for change. I never ended up with that man, but I'm now married to someone else (14 years in) and I'm very grateful to that man who woke me up. Sounds cringey, I know, but I hadn't kissed anyone else for 20 years, so it did send thunderbolts through me.

dollytot · 05/12/2022 12:41

A lot of what you've said actually resonates with me and my ex partner. He had quite a few MH issues, and was so reliant on me at times. Any type of suggestion to do things, he would make excuses not to do. Honestly, being with him sucked the living daylights out of me. His moods were so up and down. I was walking on eggshells most of the time and he treated me dreadfully towards the end. It was only until a couple of months ago when we broke up (I ended it) because I realised that my mental health was completely in the bin and I was at breaking point. He had destroyed me OP.

Now I'm single and away from him, I feel so much better. Free and happy. Like you, I had racked up a lot of debts. The onus was on me to pay for practically everything (rent, council tax, most bills, shopping etc). I am quite cynical with what your husband says to you. I think he guilt trips you into staying with him. Trust me, I know the signs. The suicide card in particular.

OP - I said in my first point that maybe you should try marriage counselling, but since reading your post, I change my mind. You need to leave. I know that's tough to hear but you deserve so much better than this. You are not living, just existing.

I hope you make the right decision. There is nothing worse than regret in this life. 💐

CaminanteNoHayCamino · 05/12/2022 19:43

So much great advice here OP. You are still young (younger than me!) - you’ve given him enough time and chance. It’s not helping him and never will. Now you need to help yourself, recognise that kiss etc as your lightbulb moment and switch the light back on in your own life. I wish you luck and strength (you’ve got it in spades) and most of all, a renewal of joy. You deserve it OP.

FinallyHere · 05/12/2022 20:09

You have not cheated, but you would be very vulnerable to the next charmer who came looking for extra-marital.

Interest in plausible strangers is a key warning sign that all is not well in your relationship. From what you describe, nothing is well for you.

It's easy for a stranger to say, but really, you can't allow someone to hold the threat of suicide against you. If anyone ever says anything g like that to you again, ask if they are serious and, if so, call an ambulance. They know how to deal with serious threats and with the time wasters, too.

Meanwhile, start making a plan, certainly separate your finances. You only get one life, don't let him steal yours. All the very best.

GreenManalishi · 05/12/2022 20:20

Sounds like you both need a kick up the arse and this could be it. Don't touch the colleague with a barge pole, he will add to your woes.

You might get some value from a life-coach /therapist who could help you see through some of the overwhelm in order to move forward.

Your DH might have all the very best intentions, but you are a partner, not a rehab centre. There is a life out there, go and find it .

Baileysandcream · 05/12/2022 21:36

I feel so sad reading your posts OP, like you say, you can't continue on like this, it's no way to live and you deserve so much more. You've had lot's of brilliant advice here, which will hopefully help.

In terms of your DH's mental health - unless he gets some kind of additional support, it doesn't sound as if anything is really going to change. He's medicated, but it's not actually addressing his thoughts and doing anything to improve his current state of mind and help him get better. It sounds like he needs some kind of counselling or talking therapy at the very least. If this isn't an option via his GP, there are charities out there - there may be some local men's mental health groups or local MIND support.

It may suit him to continue to be shielded from any semblance of living a "normal" life or trying to make improvements and get well, but it's having such a detrimental impact on your mental health and wellbeing and that's really unfair on you.

You mentioned marriage counselling, but it seems more than a little redundant if he's not willing or able to take more responsibility to try and get support to help him get out of the mental health situation that he's in. It seems that this started long before covid, so it's been going on for many years now without any signs of improvement or actual hope that things may improve.

It's really not unreasonable for you to have reached a point where you decide that you can't continue to live like this anymore. It's a wake up call to change a bleak future yes - but I wouldn't call it selfish at all.

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