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Is this abuse? Advice urgently needed please

25 replies

clairj76 · 29/11/2022 00:48

I really need some advice please as I don’t know what to think anymore and don’t trust my feelings at all.

So my partner is a very playful and loving Dad towards our Daughter and he thinks the world of her and would do anything for her. He is also very very hardworking / a good provider and protects us as a family. However, unfortunately he’s very reactive and will shout and sometimes say mean words to her when she makes him angry and pushes his buttons.

Tonight I had to pop out just for 45 mins to help my brother, who is poorly in hospital. When I was just about to leave to come home my partner was ringing me to say I needed to come home right away. He said our 7 year old daughter was covered in poo in the shower and he had caught her doing what he thought was rubbing poo all over tummy. She has had a stool holding problem for many years and this causes her to have regular accidents. She has medication from the paediatrician. Her Dad was so shocked and angry and just couldn’t believe why she was doing this and reacted and said what are you doing! She was so upset and embarrassed that he had seen her like this that she used her hands and shouted go away (she would have been mortified her dad seeing her like this. Her hands were still dirty from the accident and as she was waving her hands shouting go away she ended up flicking the poopy water that was still on her hands at him. She had been trying to wash it off she told me, but it had got all over her hands. Obviously she reacted and just wanted him to leave the bathroom and didn’t even think about her hands. When I asked her why she did this, as we don’t do things like this she initially told me she didn’t. Eventually she sad she didn’t even think about her hands being messy as she was trying to clean up in the shower and she saw red I think that her dad saw all of this. Her dad was very angry about and called her a filthy pig and also an idiot for wiping poo on herself and he said throwing it at him too.

When I got home she was totally hysterical in the shower saying she hates her dad and he doesn’t respect her. She told me what he called her and she said I must be an idiot as that’s what he said I am. She said she wanted me to leave her dad and she wants us move out. She didn’t calm down for a very long time and was so upset and understandably very embarrassed too. During this time she tore a photo up of her and her dad together and scribbled his name out the photo frame, of the 2 of them together.

I've tried to understand exactly what has happened and listen to both sides of the story. However they are both telling me their own sides of their story (which are different). My partner has now gone
mad at me and is very angry, for not disciplining our child. He had said I am the cause of all of this, because I never discipline her and she’s very disrespectful to us. He’s also called me an idiot because I am telling him off when I should be telling our daughter off for her actions.

We have been through a very bad time in our relationship the last few years and have been really trying to work things out but he hurts me a lot by being mean and insensitive, belittling me and mentally abusive to me on occasions. But other times he treats me like I am everything and so special to him. This makes me doubt myself and feel so confused, which is why I always have to ask others for their opinions on things.

Now I have no idea what to think. I will always protect my Daughter and do what’s right for her, as she is the most important person in the world to me. I would really appreciate some advice from other parents please about this situation. Similar things like this, have happened before and I always doubt myself. Sorry for such a long post and thanks for reading.

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Ellessdee · 29/11/2022 00:55

Your poor daughter. Does he think she wants to be stood in the bathroom covered in poo? Does he think it's OK to go in the bathroom when his 7 year old daughter has made it clear it is occupied? Does he have no common sense whatsoever? The simplest thing would have been for him to close the door and ask her, through the door, if she needed help. Any loving parent who knew their child had an issue with their stools should be working to make them feel secure and supported, not completely belittled and humiliated. He is very much in the wrong here. The way he reacted was very cruel.

dolor · 29/11/2022 00:57

For the sake of your daughter, make him leave.

It doesn't matter that's he's nice sometimes. What matters is he's got a vile temper and that will not end well.

Ellessdee · 29/11/2022 00:59

dolor · 29/11/2022 00:57

For the sake of your daughter, make him leave.

It doesn't matter that's he's nice sometimes. What matters is he's got a vile temper and that will not end well.

I completely agree. I don't think I could forgive this. And wanting to discipline his 7 year old for having a medical condition? I just can't comprehend the way he had reacted, to both of you. Just awful.

Pinkbonbon · 29/11/2022 01:09

He's a nasty abusive bully and now he is starting on your daughter.

Please tell your child she is right and apologise for staying with him as long as you have.

Get out of there and give her an environment with you where she can at least be free of him.

The nasty lovely cycle you are taling about is called the cycle of abuse. It is designed to fuck with your head and keep you from leaving because 'he can be lovely sometimes'.

You need you show your daughter that we never stay with men like this. Or she in turn will end up in similarly abusive relationships.

Enough is enough now. Get out of there.

Jux · 29/11/2022 01:10

So the poor child is standing in the shower trying to clean herself up after an accident and instead of asking if she needs help and sympathising he calls her names, belittles her, gets angry and humiliates her.

Kick him out. Honestly, it'll be hard enough for your dd to get past this without him there. It wouldn't surprise ma at all to find that once she feels securely that he's gone, her problem will clear up by itself, that it's root cause is emotional.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 29/11/2022 01:10

dolor · 29/11/2022 00:57

For the sake of your daughter, make him leave.

It doesn't matter that's he's nice sometimes. What matters is he's got a vile temper and that will not end well.

Yes. Get her away from him!!!!!!

thenewduchessoflapland · 29/11/2022 01:16

Let's strip this back.

You leave your DH with your child for under an hours and you come home to a 7 year old begging you to leave her dad.

This is extremely significant.How bad do things have to be for a tiny girl to beg her mum to leave her own dad?

I was your daughter and my childhood left me traumatised.

Helpmesos · 29/11/2022 01:17

dolor · 29/11/2022 00:57

For the sake of your daughter, make him leave.

It doesn't matter that's he's nice sometimes. What matters is he's got a vile temper and that will not end well.

This….kick the bully out

Pinkbonbon · 29/11/2022 01:18

Also, you do know this will stick with her all of her life. It will fill her with shame. And it will make her feel like she isn't lovable. And that she somehow deserves to be abused.

You have a long way ahead of you to mitigate these damages. You need to show her 100% support in leaving him (or getting him out) and giving her a safe space with you. You need to apologise for staying so long and have a long talk with her about how daddy's behaviour is wrong and you absolutely wont tolerate it anymore. You need to spend a considerable amount of time learning about how abuse presents itself and imparting that knowledge onto her so that hopefully she can recognise none of this is her fault when men behave like this. It'll be hard. But you owe her.

Might also be wise to do the freedom program to help you get free of the fog he has held you in.

Ellessdee · 29/11/2022 01:24

Honestly this reminds me of the time that I had got my period when I was at my dad's house, I was 11, I took my pants off to get in the shower and a gush of blood went all over the carpet in the bathroom (yes, carpet in the bathroom, awful stuff!). I scrubbed and scrubbed until I had wrecked that part of the carpet and it left a pink stain. I put the bath mat over it and cried myself to sleep because I was so embarrassed my dad would see it. Next time I was at his he had cleaned it properly. Carpet looked completely fine, he's bought me sanitary towels and tampons (exactly the same as what I had at my mum's so he'd obviously asked her about it) and he took me out to dinner, it was never mentioned. That stayed with me for the rest of my life, it influences the way I treat my own child, these moments are so, so significant. If he had of belittled me like your daughter's dad, especially if it was regularly, I would likely be an entirely different person, and mother. She needs to know he is wrong and she needs to see you actively dealing with this.

BrightSaturn · 29/11/2022 01:32

Ellessdee · 29/11/2022 01:24

Honestly this reminds me of the time that I had got my period when I was at my dad's house, I was 11, I took my pants off to get in the shower and a gush of blood went all over the carpet in the bathroom (yes, carpet in the bathroom, awful stuff!). I scrubbed and scrubbed until I had wrecked that part of the carpet and it left a pink stain. I put the bath mat over it and cried myself to sleep because I was so embarrassed my dad would see it. Next time I was at his he had cleaned it properly. Carpet looked completely fine, he's bought me sanitary towels and tampons (exactly the same as what I had at my mum's so he'd obviously asked her about it) and he took me out to dinner, it was never mentioned. That stayed with me for the rest of my life, it influences the way I treat my own child, these moments are so, so significant. If he had of belittled me like your daughter's dad, especially if it was regularly, I would likely be an entirely different person, and mother. She needs to know he is wrong and she needs to see you actively dealing with this.

This is so beautiful it has made me cry. What an amazing dad you have!

Dads can have such a big influence on their daughters in a positive or negative way.

Geppili · 29/11/2022 01:37

This is abuse. Listen to your daughter, please. This event is life changing for her. Why was he barging in on her anyway?

Ellessdee · 29/11/2022 01:38

BrightSaturn · 29/11/2022 01:32

This is so beautiful it has made me cry. What an amazing dad you have!

Dads can have such a big influence on their daughters in a positive or negative way.

Bless you, yes he's lovely. Though I'd still argue that he didn't do anything special. He did what most mums would probably do having experienced it themselves. It's a shame that it oft isn't the norm with fathers. I got lucky.

Geppili · 29/11/2022 01:42

Op, encopresis can be a sign of abuse in and of itself.

Wam90 · 29/11/2022 02:24

Ellessdee · 29/11/2022 01:24

Honestly this reminds me of the time that I had got my period when I was at my dad's house, I was 11, I took my pants off to get in the shower and a gush of blood went all over the carpet in the bathroom (yes, carpet in the bathroom, awful stuff!). I scrubbed and scrubbed until I had wrecked that part of the carpet and it left a pink stain. I put the bath mat over it and cried myself to sleep because I was so embarrassed my dad would see it. Next time I was at his he had cleaned it properly. Carpet looked completely fine, he's bought me sanitary towels and tampons (exactly the same as what I had at my mum's so he'd obviously asked her about it) and he took me out to dinner, it was never mentioned. That stayed with me for the rest of my life, it influences the way I treat my own child, these moments are so, so significant. If he had of belittled me like your daughter's dad, especially if it was regularly, I would likely be an entirely different person, and mother. She needs to know he is wrong and she needs to see you actively dealing with this.

What a wonderful story 🥹. I’m so glad your dad reacted like this ♥️.

OP I’d be worried for your daughters sake, please listen to her.

kiwiiem · 29/11/2022 02:49

As a child who was treat this exact way, when she’s telling you that she wants you to leave him, I know she means that from the bottom of her heart. I know sometimes children say things in the heat of the moment, but generally, the emotions that actually drive you to ask one parent to leave the other while in floods of tears, are fucking horrendous and even 20+ years on I can feel exactly how she felt.

I can tell you love your child or else you wouldn’t be concerned about any of this or posting about it, but I’m afraid this sort of behaviour is so normal in your life that you don’t see it as disgusting as we all do. If you continue to let this happen, the rift of you being an enabler will completely break both your heart and hers in the end.

She’s a child, she tried to fix a mistake and doesn’t know better (even though she did nothing wrong). He’s an adult and should know better but frankly? If he doesn’t know I doubt he ever fucking will.

If he finds it easy to be mean to you, emotionally abuse you and put you in awful positions, it’s no surprise he’s capable of doing the same to her.

Please don’t ever mistake him being “nice” as him actually being nice. He needs to present you with some redeeming quality so whenever he does the next shite thing you’ll be able to justify it by telling yourself about all the times “he’s not like that”.

Nat6999 · 29/11/2022 03:56

Stand by your dd, your relationship is over.

SunflowerTed · 29/11/2022 04:09

thenewduchessoflapland · 29/11/2022 01:16

Let's strip this back.

You leave your DH with your child for under an hours and you come home to a 7 year old begging you to leave her dad.

This is extremely significant.How bad do things have to be for a tiny girl to beg her mum to leave her own dad?

I was your daughter and my childhood left me traumatised.

I agree. There is a much greater issue here. Her reaction tells me there are deep rooted issues in your house between you and the dad and between dad and daughter. Ripping up a photo us extreme. I think I would suggest family counselling at least

serene12 · 29/11/2022 10:14

I agree that encopresis is a sign of abuse. I volunteer in child protection and sadly have seen a few children who suffer from this, due to neglect/abuse.
Please listen to your child and act to protect her. You can reach out to Women’s Aid, inform your daughter’s school. Family counselling is NOT recommended when their is abuse within the family.

Aprilx · 29/11/2022 10:16

I have had a good think about this, I don’t have children so I have had a good think about my own childhood (I am in my 50s now). My parents were abusive in many ways, mother mentally, father physically. But even I cannot think of them ever behaving like that over what was clearly a horrible medical related accident. I remember once I wet the bed when I was about eight or nine, very unusual for me, I woke them up in tears and both my parents got up, told me not to worry about it, it happens and then calmly and quietly changed the bed for me. So yes, like everybody else, I think this is shocking behaviour and yes indicates abuse to me.

Ellessdee · 29/11/2022 10:23

Hope you're ok this morning OP.

Cleotolstoy · 29/11/2022 10:55

Op children with any medical conditions require superior parenting and patience, not less, not abuse. There is no way your partner's response was necessary, it was cruel and psychologically damaging. I wouldn't want someone like that to look after my cat let alone a child who needs tender support.

billy1966 · 29/11/2022 11:11

Everything that @Pinkbonbon has written.

How in God's name have you stayed with such a bully?

She has asked you to leave?

At 7 years of age she is asking you, the adult to do what you should have done years ago.

That poor child, naked and distressed, being utterly violated and humiliated by that bullying pig.

I hope to goodness she tells someone in school and SS are contacted.

She needs removing from that house if you won't do the right thing.

On a site full of shocking stories, this is truly dreadful.

That poor little girl will undoubtedly carry this humiliation for the rest of her days.

Naunet · 29/11/2022 14:10

Get her the fuck away from him.
I’m betting this is the tip of the iceberg.

ItsaMetalBand · 29/11/2022 15:19

Chiming in here with a LTB as well.

DS had poo issues and the medication made bowel movements sudden and unpredictable and there were times when he was standing in the shower with poo all down his legs. I can't ever imagine calling him horrible names or screaming at him for something that was a medical issue.

Abusive people are lovely and charming most of the time. It's the short bursts when they aren't is when the damage happens.

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