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Husband Cheating Online (constantly)

54 replies

bookishmumof5 · 23/11/2022 16:39

Hello, first post but I need somewhere anonymous to ask for opinions, and I always end up searching Mumsnet threads for advice via Google lol.

I've been with my husband 14 years, we have 5 kids and business together. Aside from running 80% of our business, I'm a stay at home mum and homeschool our kids.

He has a history of cheating on me using the internet. In the past 7 years he has signed up for dating sites saying he's single, messaged multiple women having emotional and sexual conversations and exchanging photos, and developed longterm online relationships that definitely cross the lines of friendship. His latest thing has been paying for online video chats with women. I'm talking £50 a month on sex workers when we are having to decide between paying our bills and buying food.

We have had so, so many conversations about this. I've told him it is inappropriate, that it's destroying my self esteem etc. I'm so hurt. He has no interest in a sex life with me, which has always been an issue between us. I gave up trying a long time ago because constant rejection was too hurtful. He insists that he doesn't have much interest in sex, but seeks out porn and exchanging messages with random women. He's got angry with me before for being upset about it.

Once upon a time I suggested an open relationship, in the hope that it might stop the feelings of hurt and rejection. He stopped speaking to me for three days.

I tried talking to him last night about this again, because I'd noticed some app icons on his phone that raised red flags to me. He has previously promised not to use chat apps anymore, and to stop with the porn (I don't have too much of an issue with porn in general, but not at the expense of intimacy between us, so I've asked him not to use it.) He tried to brush me off last night, even when I told him I'm trying really hard to trust him and that maybe if he did things like show me there was nothing to worry about or tell me what his phone password is, it would be easier. He spent an hour saying he's "doing his best" to get me to trust him, then got cross, told me this was ridiculous and disappeared into the bathroom for 15 minutes after I asked outright to see his phone. He gave me the phone after he came out of the bathroom 🙄 there were screenshots of women in provocative poses (looked like they were in their early 20s), a record him spending £57 this month on tipping cam girls, and text messages between him another young woman. I don't know if he deleted stuff before giving me his phone, but I'm assuming he did. He had excuses for everything on there I found.

He's recently struck up this^ friendship with a woman he met online who looks to be maybe HALF his age (he's in his 40s). They seem to talk about everything under the sun, including mental health etc. He's given her his phone number and she's sent him selfies of her asking for opinions on her outfit etc. Apparently it's fine because he told her he has a wife. It gives me the ick, big time. I want him to have friends but it feels gross to me, especially given his history with the Internet and apps etc. He's angry that I don't like him talking to her. I just found about this last night and I'm still processing.

He got cross with me about not wanting him to use chat apps because he says he's just seeking connection. In the past, he has used them exclusively to talk to younger women. He never seeks connection with men.

I'm so lost with this right now. I feel revolting and unattractive. I've had five children and I'm not in my 20s anymore. I don't know how I can trust him, and I don't know what to do. Even reading this back I'm mentally kicking myself because it sounds so pathetic. But after so long I feel utterly worthless and question whether my hurt feelings and self esteem and worth up-ending our kids, potentially destroying the business I've worked so hard to build, and then ending up alone.

Am I missing something? Should I be doing something to make this situation better? I try to trust him, but then he gives me reason not to. It's just a mess.

OP posts:
pbdr · 23/11/2022 19:41

This is so extreme I'm having a little trouble believing it isn't a troll post, because I can't imagine anyone in real life would still be in a relationship with this man after all of this.
If it is real then you know what you have to do. Men who behave like this NEVER change for the better, it just escalates with time.

wizzywig · 23/11/2022 19:46

You could register on these websites and start an online relationship with him.

AdventuringAway · 23/11/2022 19:50

The only thing you can do to make it better is make a decision : Stay or go.

Stay - and he will be this person for the rest of your lives. You will not trust him because there is nothing to trust. He doesn’t care how much his actions hurt you, how they make you feel, he will continue being unfaithful online and in person (because, do you really really think it’s just online?) for the rest of your life .

Go - and it’ll be hard and upsetting and messy but there is light at the end of the tunnel and a good life that you can reach. You run a business and a house and homeschool? You’re bloody superwoman, you are absolutely capable of building a good life for yourself. Where you’re not downtrodden, lied to, made to feel awful about yourself.

TWAWmearse · 23/11/2022 19:58

He clearly despises you and hasn’t an ounce of love/respect for you.

The only problem is that you’ve lost your confidence and don’t think you deserve better. Why are you tying yourself in knots trying to make things work with this disgusting excuse for a man? You’re being a complete mug, please get out of this crappy relationship for the sake of your sanity.

WuldNahKest · 23/11/2022 20:11

So you're saying you run 80% of a business, do the chores associated with staying at home and homeschool 5 children.

He does 20% of the work in the business and what else?

I left my ex at the beginning of the pandemic and even wfh with 2 toddlers under my feet all day, doing all houesrwork, paying all bills and still waking multiple times a night with one of them was easier than living with such a stain on humanity.

Please leave, but don't be so gullible as to believe him when he has a sudden change of heart at the prospect of having to look after 5 children alone and not having someone do his housework for him.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 23/11/2022 20:40

I feel so sad for you and your children who surely know what is going on. This is so very damaging to all of you, but is shaping their emotional health and future relationships. That's not fair.
Since you've indicated this is not new, the toll it has taken on you and it shows no signs of decreasing, my advice is to separate.
Your husband has told you he's not interested in tour relationship and doesn't show respect for you, your marriage and more importantly your family. Apart, you can work on repairing your self-esteem and model that to your children. Perhaps your husband will do the same and then you can revisit your relationship as a couple. But, assume at this point he won't change and move on for your children.

MrMrsJones · 23/11/2022 22:51

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 23/11/2022 16:41

your only option is to divorce him surely?

Nothing more to say, but this 👆

Bedazzled22 · 23/11/2022 22:54

@bookishmumof5 Hope you are ok op its crap times but moving on will be the better option. He’ll never change.

MonkeysNeverLie · 23/11/2022 23:04

Is this a piss take?

Divorce is what you could do to make this situation better. Lots better. Please do not stay with this man.

Quiegal · 24/11/2022 03:36

@bookishmumof5

He doesn't see anything wrong because it's not him physically doing it. But he emotionally investing time in other women and showing you blatantly he wants sex with them and you don't interest him no more.

You can't trust him if he doesn't stop.

So I would say to him think we should divorce you don't seem to care that what you do is affecting me. I can't keep turning a blind eye to this. Especially if you don't want sex with me.

I have felt like you but I then signed myself up to dating site just spoke to other men. It does make you feel wanted until you realize some are married doing the same as your DH. So I wouldn't suggest you do the same to see how it makes him feel. Well saying that he can't sit thinking it's okay and expect you not to do the same either. Something needs to shock him into realizing he making you feel rubbish..

Honestly last chat with him saying you feel your marriage over now. If you started having a life maybe going out with friends even getting a new hobby joined a gym. Met other men got yourself some attention online or off he change his tune he given you no option.

marmaladepop · 24/11/2022 08:18

I can't believe you can even stomach writing that much about the perverted creep. Divorce him.

lazyonion · 24/11/2022 12:26

"You run a business and a house and homeschool? You’re bloody superwoman, you are absolutely capable of building a good life for yourself."

This!

You are clearly an absolutely incredible woman, you can do better than this and you deserve better than this. He's not going to change, I'm so so sorry that you're going through this, but you sound amazing. You'd be much better off without him (and I rarely, if ever, advise LTB!)

ChillysWaterBottle · 24/11/2022 12:46

Run don't walk.

You do NOT deserve to be treated like this. His behaviour is NOT a reflection on you. He will NOT change.

Littlepiggiesinblankets · 24/11/2022 12:49

Why are you trying to trust him? You cannot trust him, as he has proved to you time and time again.

Leave: he is destroying you.

LemonDrop22 · 24/11/2022 12:51

I appear to have missed the part where you said he is a billionaire with a vibrating cock that spurts liquid chocolate.

Otherwise, I have no idea why you are still with him.

Get a decent divorce lawyer.

He is leading you the life of a dog (an abused dog).

Mumtobe2023 · 24/11/2022 12:52

You deserve far better than this OP. Please try and consider leaving. As easy as it is for me to say. This relationship is toxic and he does not deserve you! X

ToffeeCandle · 24/11/2022 12:56

I'm sorry, that sounds very hurtful. Middle aged man acting like this...there really is no fool like an old fool.
What are you getting with him that makes you stay and is there a way of you bridging the gap of whatever leaving him will leave you with to enable separation? You already run 80% of the business (not a stay at home mum then!) so I assume you have the finances?
Get legal advice and divorce because he will never change and anecdote is that his behaviour will escalate. Your children will understand and would rather they have a happy mummy.

RandomMusings7 · 24/11/2022 13:00

When someone cheats on you and you forgive them repeatedly, you are basically giving him permission to do it again. That's it. There's no other complex answer to this. You are allowing him to treat you like this.

So you either leave him or you stay and accept that he will never change and that you are choosing to victimise yourself through staying. There is no 3rd option where you magically change him and you live happily ever after. There just isn't.

Your choice...

CallieQ · 24/11/2022 13:04

D I V O R C E

Chickenvoicesinmyhead · 24/11/2022 13:10

@bookishmumof5 your self-esteem is so low that you have become desensitised over the years. Thankfully you have now seen the light. Enough is enough.

The way you run your business and DC's education shows you are made of strong stuff. Go and build upon what you've achieved without this nasty disrespectful man in your life.

AdamRyan · 24/11/2022 13:30

Bedazzled22 · 23/11/2022 17:42

I’m separating from DP having caught him randomly and mostly by chance over last few years on hook up & dating sites. He’d never let me near his phone in a million years. Ive tried to forgive but it happens again and again and last time was the final straw. He’s doesnt think a big deal, I dont think. He was just looking out of loneliness….

I’m devastated really esp as we have a teenager but I cant tolerate any more.

The trouble is, they don’t think it’s a big deal because it’s not physical and so it just happens again and again.

Bollocks. They know its a big deal, they know it hurts you but they don't care because they have something wrong in the head.

Would you consider sexting other men for sexual kicks? If you did, would your partner think that was fine because nothing physical happened? I doubt it.

Bedazzled22 · 24/11/2022 15:41

@AdamRyan well I think its a big deal obvs but cant help thinking lots of men think it only matters if physical but yes they know it hurts their wife /partner and dont have the respect for them to care…

Bedazzled22 · 24/11/2022 15:42

@AdamRyan And yes I wouldnt do it.

AdamRyan · 24/11/2022 16:54

Sorry, I wasn't being rude to you.
These men just make me so angry (was also married to one)

They don't say the "not physical" shtick because its what they think. They say it because they know its a massive upheaval to split up, their wife is loyal and committed and they are giving her a straw to clutch.

The reality is they know they are being unfaithful and they don't care. If their wives even did a fraction of what they did, they'd be outraged.

Entitled manipulative men. I'm so sorry you are also married to one.

Thisthatandtheotherthing · 24/11/2022 23:40

I am usually the last to say this but LTB.

He has absolutely zero respect for you.

At the bare minimum you need to kick him out for a while. This is totally unacceptable in a relationship.