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Husband's emotional affair

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Sehra1 · 21/11/2022 01:02

I'm in turmoil and so desperate for comfort and advice. I'm sorry this will be long I hope someone reads it and replies I'm experiencing grief like never before and I've lost a sibling so that is really saying something. I will try to be consise.
Me and my husband, both 38, have been together since we were 17 we are eachothers first everything. It was long distance at first he lived in a different city (we met at a wedding) and briefly broke up when we were 19 as he took an fancy to a local girl. I begged him not to break up but he did anyway however two months later things ended with her (I'm not sure how) and he proposed to me.
He moved to go to Uni in my city and we had an amazing relationship. The tables turned and he was now more infatuated with me than I was with him. He was an amazing fiance looking after me, picking me and dropping me wherever I needed to go spoiling me silly on special occasions.We got married at 24. We had small hiccups along the way..he used to watch porn every other day(privately) whixh caused an argument as our sex. ife was good- hes watches it alot less now. and when I was pregnant with our second child I caught him searching escorts. He swore he was just fantasizing and phone records didn't show he rung any of them so I let him off.
Fast forward to now, 14 years married and 3 children dd 9, ds 6 and dd 19 months. Life seemed perfect. He's a wonderful husband and dad he's kind and caring and our sex life is better than it's ever been.
He has a good job and trains people. He had a female colleague who I thought nothing of who came on the scene 8 months ago. She is very attractive and married with a son. Unkown to me 3 weeks ago he reached out to my best friend and said he needed to talk to her because he had a crush on this woman amd that it was getting out of hand and he loved me and didn't want to hurt me. They were supposed to meet up to discuss this however due to a family bereavement my friend couldn't make it to speak to him. Instincts are so strange the way they kick in. We were perfectly happy but I felt like something wasn't right. He was being more affectionate, wanting to take the kids out to expensive places to eat..and then this Monday we were out shopping and I caught him looking at jewellery and it threw me..it wasn't expensive sort of £15 gifts but it was the way he was interested so I asked him who he was thinking off and he laughed and said 'her'. I brushed off my gut instinct and we got home. He seemed to be in a happy mood then stepped out the house with no clear reason. When he came back and went to shave I looked in his car boot just instinctively and found chocolates and the necklace he had been looking at. I waited to see if they were for me and the necklace was...the chocolates weren't.
I checked his phone in the morning to see he was meeting with this woman but I didn't confront him as the text was platonic and he would've said it was for work. So I waited till he left and was anxious not sure what to do. Then I thought to check his internet history and bingo. He had been looking at hotels in the city he was seeing her. My world fell apart. I called him 14 times and he eventually called back. I cried he listened..he denied everything at first 'I'm not with her' so I told him I'd seen the text msg. 'There were no chocolates' so I said 'I've seen them too'. He was driving back to me when he called me obviously panicked at all the miscalls. He was an hour away and stayed on the phone. When he came home he looked devastated and guilt ridden. Told me he hadn't ruined anything amd that he had looked at hotels as just a fantasy of the possibility of taking her there..he said it was a stupid thought that came in his mind and he would never have gone through with it and to check his bank statements to prove he hadn't booked a room (I've been to devastated to actually check them). That he had told my best friend and if he was looking to start an affair he wouldn't have seeked help it was just a crush which was gone now after seeing how upset I was. He said they were both there for work but he offered to give her extra help in understanding a certain system she was struggling with which could well be true and maybe he thought he could use the opportunity to see how things were with her away from their regular office environment. He said she's such a happy and kind person and he guesses he got attached to her. They were spending quite a bit of time together and it only really became a serious crush 2 months ago which is why he called my friend. He begged forgiveness promised it was nothing and has since been trying to be extra lovely dovey taking us out doing more around the house..the glitch is he says she doesnt know about his crush on her and that they flirt at work in a fun way and he can't just stop training her although he will try to see if he can find an excuse to move her to someone else- I do get this he can't stop training her without eyebrows being raised in his workplace as everyone has seen the flirting. He said it gave him an ego boost and that he has self esteem issues- he's successful and handsome so don't quite understand that but he sounded convincing. He then said some things he shouldn't have 'I would be embarrassed to tell her what I was thinking why would she even go for me' - her husband owns a company and is well off and apparently all the men in the workplace were crushing on this woman so he thinks she had her pick. But also that everyone thinking she liked him gave him an ego boost.
How can I trust him ever again? My friend thinks that seeing me distraught would have bought him to his senses and he keeps telling me he's sorry for hurting me. Because nothing physical happened he thinks he deserves forgiveness but the betrayal of his fantasizing about someone else is too much for me. He said he wouldn't ever leave me for anyone and he wasn't imagining setting up home with her he just had a crush and let his imagination run away with him... But if I hadn't caught him out it could've led to so much more..amd that scares me to trust him around her or any woman for that matter. I don't know if I should just save myself anymore heartache and cut loose or believe him when he says he's realised and would never do anything to lose me. What if he's just saying it to keep me around cus it's easier and better for the kids? He has been really upset. Worried I'll leave him. Keeps telling me how much I mean to him and how sorry he is. He is otherwise a loving husband and we share so much history. I just don't know what to do. Also he's better looking and more successful than me however I would say the other woman is about the same level of attractiveness to myself. That's why I wasn't worried about her and now I'm in this mess😭

OP posts:
Sausagelove · 21/11/2022 10:42

Lots of people develop a crush on a colleague.

But they don’t look at booking hotel rooms and buying them gifts. Sorry op, I think this is much more than a crush.

Arrivederla · 21/11/2022 10:47

MsDogLady · 21/11/2022 08:06

Looking up escorts during your pregnancy —> Infidelity
Acting on his ‘serious crush’ — They’re flirting at work with colleagues noticing; Buying her gifts and lying about it; Meeting her outside the office and lying about it; Looking up hotels in that location —> Infidelity

Sehra, your H is out there acting like a single guy. He’s making a mockery of you. It sounds like he is so invested in OW that she is in his head constantly, even when he’s with you.

He’s let you down terribly twice (that you know of) with his faithless, disloyal actions. In your shoes, my trust and respect would have plummeted to zero, so I couldn’t move forward with him. I would be visiting a solicitor to learn my options.

This.

He's had one foot out the door during a lot of your relationship op, and he will probably eventually have an affair and leave; he's on the brink now.

I know it's difficult but best to end it on your terms, otherwise the next few years are going to be really hard... I can't imagine that you will ever be able to totally trust him again.

Sausagelove · 21/11/2022 10:49

He then said some things he shouldn't have 'I would be embarrassed to tell her what I was thinking why would she even go for me' -

What’s he on about? He openly flirts with her in front of others! He buys her gifts and had arranged to meet up with her.

Samcan · 21/11/2022 11:20

No you misunderstood I said I felt he was looking at it with someone else in mind. And he wanted to tell ny friend so it could be resolved before it went too far. In his mind he was being transparent to protect our relationship and if I knew there would be less chance, in his mind, of anything happening

Samcan · 21/11/2022 11:21

Yeah thank u for the mention of the name fail. It's not the shittest thing that's happened to me lately so I'm going to allow it😬😭

lenalemonade · 21/11/2022 13:46

OP I really feel for you .
There are too many people on Mumsnet ,quick to jump straight to LTB.
While I am on the subject what is it exactly that constitutes an "emotional affair "?

Thinking about someone ?speaking to them ?Fantasising ?
Where is the line ?
Marriage does not render you suddenly unable to be attracted to anyone else and sometimes it can be a real struggle .In this day and age it must be so difficult when the subject of your crush is available 24/7 at the touch of a keyboard .

Please think carefully about what you do next .
Your DH has been very stupid and has hurt you badly but only you two can decide the best way forward for you and your little family .
People make mistakes but breaking up a family is a very painful decision which leaves ripples that affect just not the couple ,but everyone else around them.
Christmas ,birthdays ,holidays ,weddings -everything has to be negotiated and the financial implications can mean that you have to start again ,losing decades of what you have both worked for .
I have been there .
If he is truly sorry please work together to fix this and hopefully you may be happy again .
If it turns out that later down the line you find that you just can't do it ,you will walk away knowing that you didn't make a hasty decision in the heat of the moment .
Good luck x

Samcan · 21/11/2022 15:29

Thank you for your kind words x

LadyMarmaladeAtkins · 21/11/2022 15:43

TLDR, skim read the first half of OP. However

Also he's better looking and more successful than me however I would say the other woman is about the same level of attractiveness to myself.

This really isn't how this works in terms of who has Emotional Affairs or Affairs with whom, and even if it did, their perceptions of everyone's relative levels of attractiveness might not be the same as yours.

Sorry you are going through a tough time though OP.

Quiegal · 21/11/2022 15:46

lenalemonade · 21/11/2022 13:46

OP I really feel for you .
There are too many people on Mumsnet ,quick to jump straight to LTB.
While I am on the subject what is it exactly that constitutes an "emotional affair "?

Thinking about someone ?speaking to them ?Fantasising ?
Where is the line ?
Marriage does not render you suddenly unable to be attracted to anyone else and sometimes it can be a real struggle .In this day and age it must be so difficult when the subject of your crush is available 24/7 at the touch of a keyboard .

Please think carefully about what you do next .
Your DH has been very stupid and has hurt you badly but only you two can decide the best way forward for you and your little family .
People make mistakes but breaking up a family is a very painful decision which leaves ripples that affect just not the couple ,but everyone else around them.
Christmas ,birthdays ,holidays ,weddings -everything has to be negotiated and the financial implications can mean that you have to start again ,losing decades of what you have both worked for .
I have been there .
If he is truly sorry please work together to fix this and hopefully you may be happy again .
If it turns out that later down the line you find that you just can't do it ,you will walk away knowing that you didn't make a hasty decision in the heat of the moment .
Good luck x

@Sehra1

Please listen to@lenalemonade

As this really good advice.

Lndnmummy · 21/11/2022 15:53

It is just such an attention seeking weak thing to do. Even just the conversation with the best friend would have me doubt him. Whats any of this got to do with your best friend? I think confiding in her is a massive overstep and betrayal. Involving her should be your decision not his? He sounds weak and a drama lama

Allthecheeseplease · 21/11/2022 16:30

I alsolutely agree with @lenalemonade

I sometimes think the people on this forum would have been the ones roaring "Burn The Witch"

Don't listen to people on a public forum telling you what to do with your relationship ( me included) Decide what you want. Trust can be regained despite what MN tells you. Also it sounds like your husband needs therapy (although that's also not your problem) Maybe some therpay of your own might help - even if just to get your mind straight.

By the way @Rosie22xx This is not true. Love is not like happily ever after in a disney movie. Love struggles, love makes mistakes, love is very hard work sometimes - especailly in long term relationships. Believing that love never gets it head turned is very black and white thinking and trying to grow and move forward in any relationship is not always black and white.

Rosie22xx · 21/11/2022 16:33

Allthecheeseplease · 21/11/2022 16:30

I alsolutely agree with @lenalemonade

I sometimes think the people on this forum would have been the ones roaring "Burn The Witch"

Don't listen to people on a public forum telling you what to do with your relationship ( me included) Decide what you want. Trust can be regained despite what MN tells you. Also it sounds like your husband needs therapy (although that's also not your problem) Maybe some therpay of your own might help - even if just to get your mind straight.

By the way @Rosie22xx This is not true. Love is not like happily ever after in a disney movie. Love struggles, love makes mistakes, love is very hard work sometimes - especailly in long term relationships. Believing that love never gets it head turned is very black and white thinking and trying to grow and move forward in any relationship is not always black and white.

I am married myself and have been through various struggles. I know it's not all flowers and daisies. I'm not delusional to the fact. But for me personally, there are complete no nos and a definite boundary not to step over. You can't just accept everything a person does, there are limits. And again just to me personally, I would be done. But ofc everyone has different limits etc I get that. That was just my personal view.

Samcan · 21/11/2022 17:03

@Allthecheeseplease what do you think he needs therapy for? What do I suggest to him?

Ladybugzrock · 21/11/2022 18:05

I'm not against reconciliation. I'm reconciled after an affair but I think some of the comments on here are misguided.

Your husband has form. This is not a man who has just had a 'crush' and made a mistake.

It's a man who has overused porn and caused you distress, googled escorts and fantasised about having an affair creating a situation where he flirts and betrays your trust. And that's the stuff you KNOW of.

I've read enough on infidelity and listened to enough stories to know this man is a massive red flag.

He is not a safe partner for you. I'm not saying he can't be but right now he is not a safe partner. He needs to work to find out why he seeks thrills and ego kibbles. He needs to work out how he can rebuild trust.

It's not acceptable to continue to work with her.

I think 'not just friends' has been suggested, I agree. I'd read it first though @Samcan because it will help you see patterns of behaviour in your husband which are risky.

I'm so sorry, I know you're heartbroken.

Allthecheeseplease · 21/11/2022 19:27

Samcan · 21/11/2022 17:03

@Allthecheeseplease what do you think he needs therapy for? What do I suggest to him?

Personal therapy because if low self esteem/imposter symdrome.

BTW this is not a "get out of jail free" card for him - and not a reason for you to excuse his behavour or blame yourself - and I'm just going solely on what you said in the first post but someone is so obsessed with external validation will continue to seek it out until they can provide it for themselves.

Jewel7 · 21/11/2022 19:31

I think I would be really hurt that he wanted to tell your friend! I would be wondering if it’s as one sided as he says or is he down playing. The fact that he came straight home to you is a plus. But there has been many occasions of disrespect. Is he really better looking than you or does he have more self esteem? I have been where you are my dh lied and lied. Turned it back on me imagining it. It was the most confusing time. I know how your feeling. We separated but every situation is different. Try journaling, write out all your thoughts and feelings each day. It may help.

Samcan · 21/11/2022 20:04

@Allthecheeseplease he said he has low self esteem which is why he perhaps got carried away to seek validation. I don't know why my validation is not enough I'm constantly full of praise..

Crazypaving22 · 21/11/2022 20:12

@Samcan it sounds as though he's already pulling the wool over your eyes and making sure you feel sorry for him. He believes by attributing his shocking disrespect of you to his self esteem you'll feel sorry for him.

His main problem is he feels he's entitled to deal with his issues (whatever they might be) by self medicating with thrills (excessive porn and googling escorts) and seeking ego kibbles. His inherent selfishness means he doesn't even consider the pain he'll put you and your family through. He even goes to your friend to play victim rather than talk to you. Which tbh I think is weird.

His reactions just don't sit well with me. It feels too if the ice berg stuff, just proceed with caution.

Crazypaving22 · 21/11/2022 20:13

Tip of the iceberg

TulipCity · 21/11/2022 20:14

He truly is an arsehole.

Arrivederla · 22/11/2022 12:17

Ladybugzrock · 21/11/2022 18:05

I'm not against reconciliation. I'm reconciled after an affair but I think some of the comments on here are misguided.

Your husband has form. This is not a man who has just had a 'crush' and made a mistake.

It's a man who has overused porn and caused you distress, googled escorts and fantasised about having an affair creating a situation where he flirts and betrays your trust. And that's the stuff you KNOW of.

I've read enough on infidelity and listened to enough stories to know this man is a massive red flag.

He is not a safe partner for you. I'm not saying he can't be but right now he is not a safe partner. He needs to work to find out why he seeks thrills and ego kibbles. He needs to work out how he can rebuild trust.

It's not acceptable to continue to work with her.

I think 'not just friends' has been suggested, I agree. I'd read it first though @Samcan because it will help you see patterns of behaviour in your husband which are risky.

I'm so sorry, I know you're heartbroken.

This. People make mistakes but he has form.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 22/11/2022 13:16

I trusted my DH absolutely for 30 years, then there was a fairly minor EA which I put a stop to. Now I don't trust him at all. We are still together but I keep a wary eye on him.

Jenny3412 · 26/11/2022 10:37

Training has to stop as this is the OW way in. Pronto. If they are to work together and he wants to stay and play husband and dad then he must write a paragraph and email this woman immediately telling her that she is not to contact him about any personal matters whatsoever via any form of communication. If she breaks this he will need to complain to his employer and perhaps even the police. Now you would not want him being pestered for sex would you? It would be inappropriate if the other way around and if he wants to have kids in his daily life and not be shut out of their lives there is a moral code for behaving like a husband. Look crushes can happen to all of us male, female etc. he was beginning to overstep the boundary. Don’t allow that boundary to be a rickety old fence, wall up with bricks. You can not control what is to happen and nor should you control him. But if he is true to his word he will man up and if he is not oh well at least you will know loud and clear and he will have to accept the consequences of his own choices. Would not do anything more drastic but put him on the straight and narrow for now.

Jenny3412 · 26/11/2022 10:37

Two unwanted contacts = harassment. If he fails to take action then it means that he does not consider contacts to be unwanted….

MedeaOfIolchos · 07/04/2023 07:19

This.
In my 52 years I was always liberal and pro porn. Until it stroke me.Day by day my relationship of 14 years falling apart due to porn. Porn is addiction, in 99% it shrinks the brain f the men watching it.
how porn led him to more and more disrespect toward me, contempt, and finally to visiting striptease bars.
The men with porn alternated brains will see nothing wrong in sexually objectifying strangers, women in public, the boundaries are blur, next steps are web cams, chats, table dance, massage parlours, prostitutes,
or an affair with a collegue, like husband of OP.
Way too many people underestimate devastating impact on relations and families.

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