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Why does this hurt so much? Old flame

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MorgaineLeFay · 17/11/2022 17:53

If anyone has any words of wisdom I would be very grateful. I don’t understand why this hurts so much. I’ve been crying for four days now. Sorry if this is long.

I split from my husband almost 5 years ago, and one of the first things I did when I became single again was get in touch on FB with a guy I met when I was younger and had a brief fling with. We met 27 years ago when I was 19 and he was 20 - he was working where I went on holiday with my family, we had a brief romance, wrote to each other and met up a few times afterwards but it just fizzled out naturally. The first night we met we sat on the beach getting stoned, laughing and talking for hours then had the best sex, it was ridiculously perfect and romantic. As he lives so far away we kind of accepted it couldn’t go anywhere. I never forgot him but just thought of him fondly.

When I got back in touch with him nearly 5 years ago we got on just as well as we used to and began meeting up for a friends with benefits kind of situation. It wasn’t even so much about the sex, he lives about a 3 hour drive away and often drove just to spend one night, even if we didn’t have sex. He was divorced with a 10 year old but also very wounded by his marriage ending, as was I. We established early on that neither of us were likely to relocate any time so that kind of settled it. At first I was absolutely uninterested in anything deeper and it worked really well for ages. Every single time we met up it was so good and we made so many awesome memories. After about 18 months I began getting more attached and getting feelings and when I asked him he didn’t want anything more serious so I had to stop seeing him. I was heartbroken and cried for days, because it had been so good every time we saw each other, but then felt like I had got over it. I felt fond of him but didn’t think I still had feelings.

We didn’t speak for a while but then kept in touch through Covid via text and occasional phone until May last year when we met up again. He travelled to see me and stayed for one night and everything was great. We had a brilliant time and it seemed we could go back to it just being fun. We get on so well and do nothing but laugh when we are together. All was fine and we kept in touch and I’ve even told him about guys I’ve met.

Fast forward to about a month ago. I have been single and not connected or liked anyone I have met in the last five years and have been through a period of having a few casual flings recently. He had recently split from a tumultuous six month relationship so we chatted and arranged for him to come for the weekend just gone.

He came up and we had the most ridiculously magical, perfect weekend. We have done this so many times but something seemed different this time. He was so tender, we couldn’t have sex on the first night so he spent hours stroking and kissing me and we just couldn’t get enough of being close to each other. He asked me to dance in the kitchen and we just stood there holding each other for ages, there was so much intense energy. We listened to love songs and played the guitar to each other. This is another level from any of our time before. This carried on all weekend, we laughed until we cried and I realised how right he feels, nobody else has ever really made me feel like this, even my ex husband. As he was about to leave I couldn’t stop myself and I asked him if he wanted me and told him that I wanted him.

He was taken aback, we have never had a proper conversation really about ‘us’ and avoided the subject. He didn’t know what to say but said he wasn’t sure if he needed some time without stuff happening at the moment. I asked him if he felt the same connection and he said he did and that it was mutual and that he gets it when I said I was finding the vulnerability hard.

He left and I felt absolutely crushed. I can’t tell you how rejected and hurt and devastated and heartbroken I felt. I didn’t realise how strongly I felt and just how sad I felt, to feel so cherished and loved and then have it all snatched away. I thought I was happy being single, I love my life I have great friends and I haven’t really wanted a relationship in the traditional sense. I don’t want to live with somebody at this point at least. My life isn’t easy, I have three kids, two youngest live with me half the time and my son is autistic. My adult daughter has been seriously ill this year and it has been one of the hardest years of my entire life. I have messaged him since and he has said respects my position and likes me a lot and we have a connection but he was very surprised I said what I did and didn't expect to be thinking about this. He reiterated he wasn’t in the right place to commit to something for several reasons and said he loves my company and our time together and understands where I’m coming from.

We have arranged to talk on the phone soon, but I know I have to move on and let him go. I don’t even want anything to change really. I don’t want him to move to be with me, I’m happy to see him whenever we have the free time. But I can’t feel this strongly and keep seeing if it’s not going to mean anything. I just want him. What we have together has been one of the most special things and I know that he feels that too. Or it felt like he did. But I’m not stupid, I know he’s not exactly being emotionally available which has been my downfall in the past. I just feel so betrayed by my own feelings. I thought I had good instincts and it honestly felt like he was feeling it too. I don’t want to lose this, but I have to.

I have cried myself to sleep every night and felt so much grief since then. I don’t know how to deal with this and don’t know if this means I’m ready for a relationship or that I should never risk being vulnerable and feeling pain like this ever again. Any help or advice would be very much appreciated right now.

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minticecreamisjustok · 17/11/2022 18:14

You keep letting him back in your life, he only wants something casual with you. As hard as it is the only way to move on is to stop contact and allow the chance of someone new coming in, it won't be instant but use that time to heal. Accept casual only works when no real feelings are involved, he isn't going to change his mind, he already had long enough to decide that, so put an end to it.
You will meet someone else with mutual feelings, you are ready when it happens and the other person is also looking for the same as you, just keep the hope it will one day.

Quiegal · 17/11/2022 18:26

@MorgaineLeFay

It sounds you have had some really great times with him. It does seem even though casual you both have a great chemistry.
But he being honest with you he not ready.

I think you need to let him go. I don't know if you can be just friends without the sex or you can't now because you have these feelings now.

I can actually feel your pain through your post. It's very sad but you will be taking with you some really great memories with him.

Do have a talk with him and say all the meeting up for sex needs to stop. You have caught feelings which he probably gathered now.

MorgaineLeFay · 17/11/2022 19:01

I know you're right, I wish I hadn't invited him. The strength of my feelings took me totally by surprise and I am so shocked by just how painful it is to lose him. I've been trying to convince myself that I can just enjoy it for what it is. But I know I can't do that. 😰

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pocketvenuss · 17/11/2022 19:49

He was willing to have proper relationships with other people over this time but not you. Why? This tells you something

Movinghouseatlast · 17/11/2022 19:58

It's so hard to understand why someone can love being with you, love having sex with you but not feel they could love you. Everything you describe about your relationship with him points to thst it SHOULD be a proper relationship, yet he doesn't want that. It is indeed very confusing, what the hell does he want, what could be better than what you have? But you have to accept it, you are right. I have been in your position.

Cloudyafternoon · 17/11/2022 20:04

OP if I were a betting woman I would bet he's in love with the feeling of the way he makes people (plural) feel about him and his particular brand of charm/romance/chemistry rather than genuinely able to reciprocate in a normal relationship. Whether that's an old or new development (since divorce) I don't know. I have also had the dancing and singing in the kitchen, endless laughs and chemistry with someone who replicated it with several women at the same time, left them all with a buzz and that "life changing chemistry" feeling, only to never really commit to anyone, as he enjoyed the collective attention of being able to have that affect on people.

Lindengericht · 17/11/2022 20:16

No one should have to think this hard about being with you, if they really wanted to.

You need to draw a line under it. You are preventing yourself from finding anything better while you make yourself casually available to him.

Zanatdy · 17/11/2022 20:20

Is it because of the distance meaning someone would have to move for a proper relationship? I mean he’s had other relationships so wondering if that’s why he’s not willing to commit to you?

Coolfungus · 17/11/2022 20:31

He's either hugely charismatic or very good looking, for you to have put up with this for so long, you clearly really liked him hense getting in touch with him.
Unrequited love must hurt like hell, painful in so many ways, to be turned down is hard, but there must be some logic here to your situation, you must have thought about this not ending the way you wished, you are a grown up after all.

It sounds harsh but in a way you have now spoilt yourself on the gormet type of guy you like, no wonder you have not met someone else. I don't mean to sound rude but it's a bit like renting a beautiful necklace for the evening, you want it for evermore but can't afford to own it.
I really don't want you to be offended but many women would not place themselves in the path of such heartbreak, the warning signs were there from the beggining, whether you were too busy to notice or accept them that is unfortunately the kicker.

I do sympathise I think women in their 40's have the hardest time dating compared to other decades.

LoveShitJokes · 17/11/2022 20:36

I have been on both sides of this twice OP. Two of them I wanted more than life itself but neither would commit. Twice they wanted a life with me but I had no romantic feelings for either. Loving someone who doesn't love you back is one of the hardest experiences in life. Unfortunately in ANY scenario where no children are involved, the only way to move on is completely cut all ties x

Jewel7 · 17/11/2022 20:39

I wonder if he behaves this way in every relationship. Maybe he likes being loved but is scared of commitment. He knows he can have a good time with you and walk away no hassle. When you up what you want/need he walks. Yes sadly you need to focus on you. He isn’t who you thought he was. Block and don’t let him back in.

username8888 · 17/11/2022 20:40

He wants a lovely weekend to spend with you, enjoy life, enjoy sex and have someone who cares for him and who makes him feel good. I'm sure he loves you on some level, but absolutely not enough for a continuing relationship. You have a lot of baggage and so does he, and he just doesn't want what you want. Frankly save yourself misery and end it.

Mamato3boysand2dogs · 17/11/2022 21:11

He had just come out of a 6 month "relationship" when you two reconnected. So he IS capable of a relationship and actually had one with someone.

He doesn't want anything serious with YOU. As harsh and nasty as that sounds, it's not. Just a simple truth and the old 'not ready for commitment' line he is feeding you is a lie. He enjoys the company the sex, but that's it.

He doesn't see it through the mystical, romantic eyes that you do, hence him being 'very surprised' when you declared how you felt.

It's shit but he is probably seeing other people and if you push for more, he will likely disappear.

Stay away. You can't have something casual with a man you are in love with. X

Endpress · 17/11/2022 21:23

You’ve had an awful year with your daughters illness. Could the grief partially be related to that?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 17/11/2022 22:30

You are hurt and vulnerable
and you’re a bit heartbroken
and you have lost a dream

of course you feel shit

goven the many years and memories also

it’s a big deal and it hurts

but you have to do what every heartbroken person does , which is lots of self care and lots of time x

FictionalCharacter · 17/11/2022 22:50

@Cloudyafternoon has hit the nail on the head.

MorgaineLeFay · 17/11/2022 23:21

Thanks for being so kind. I genuinely don't think he is seeing loads of other people, but I guess it doesn't matter really now. I am hoping that some of my questions may be answered when I talk to him. It will be the last time I speak to him so I'm not going to edit myself anymore. I've got nothing to lose at this point so I might as well ask. Either way I know you are all right.

I do think perhaps the grief I am feeling maybe somewhat to do with the year I have had. I have dealt with so much on my own for so long and I thought I didn't need anyone. He was one of the best things in my life over the last few years and I feel such loss knowing I can't have that again.

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Coolfungus · 17/11/2022 23:22

FictionalCharacter · 17/11/2022 22:50

@Cloudyafternoon has hit the nail on the head.

I think many women have had one of these in their life, that are so charismatic and bring fun and confidence.
Mine was at a very young age but will never forget him, he wasn't marriage material though, I always believed he should have never married and sort of been rented around to help broken women. 😂

The song which makes me think of him is Diana Ross's Remember Me.
My memories of him are all good, he wasn't a liar, future faker or anything just very honest, but his nature would have prevented me from falling for him too much.

Ofcourseshecan · 18/11/2022 00:06

Cloudyafternoon · 17/11/2022 20:04

OP if I were a betting woman I would bet he's in love with the feeling of the way he makes people (plural) feel about him and his particular brand of charm/romance/chemistry rather than genuinely able to reciprocate in a normal relationship. Whether that's an old or new development (since divorce) I don't know. I have also had the dancing and singing in the kitchen, endless laughs and chemistry with someone who replicated it with several women at the same time, left them all with a buzz and that "life changing chemistry" feeling, only to never really commit to anyone, as he enjoyed the collective attention of being able to have that affect on people.

This sounds very possible, OP.

In fact I think he’s a bit of a player, unable or unwilling to sustain a deep and committed relationship with anyone. The times you share with him are magical but rare, and that’s probably all he has to offer.

MorgaineLeFay · 18/11/2022 10:50

I can't tag but I listened to Remember Me last night and cried. Yes that's what it feels like. I thought the comment about the standard I have set for men being like a beautiful necklace to be really helpful. I have tried so hard not to romanticise this but have clearly failed miserably 🙈😂
I feel a bit clearer today, it is what it is and I clearly still have some work around choosing emotionally unavailable man. I thought I had done the work I needed to. It's been five years! 😭

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