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Company or handhold whilst I prepare to LTB (TW DA/DV)

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Snorken · 15/11/2022 13:30

Anyone who has been in this situation knows that doing the actual LTB is easier said than done. First there is the denial, the 'it's not so bad, he's just a bit grumpy/stressed at work/bereaved/depressed/the list goes on', then fear of the unknown, the trauma bonding and the cognitive dissonance as a result. When we try to stand up for ourselves there's the DARVO. And yes, I have learnt about most of the above as result of reading MN and wise MNers links to other websites. Knowledge is power and right now I am becoming an expert on all things Abuse, Narcissism and everything that comes with.

I've waited years for various reasons but then something just snapped inside me earlier this autumn. Joined the Freedom Program online, read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft, I've watched countless Youtube videos by Dr Ramani and spent time on NacrSite by H G Tudor.

I will try not to drip feed but I am wary of being identified so won't write my full history in the OP. This is basically my second abusive marriage, if I'd known what I know now I would never have walked into my second marriage so blindly, I was, as they say, 'love bombed'. The first one was textbook abusive but no kids, so I managed to get out and set up a new life for myself. With my second husband I was so eager to erase my first marriage and start again with all the things I grieved not having 'achieved' after my first one failed. Kids, house and a nice family lifestyle.

I ignored the red flags until it was too late. He shouted at DD when she was 10 days old, my heart broke that day and I knew DD and I were on our own, even though I have stayed for another 8 years. Most of the time BH (this is a variation of DH, where the B stands for Bastard, I will refer to him as this from now on) keeps his mask on and is the friendly, supportive, funny and loving husband. Then the mask slips and is replaced with a scowl, ice cold eyes and expression which leads to the sinking feeling in my gut. This is where the 'walking on eggshells' happen. I shrink and desperately try to say the 'right' things to keep the peace. There is shouting at times, he will call me a derogatory name when reprimanding me, he will slam doors, sulk and walk around with a thunder face. There are other things. This is not how I want to live my life.

So, after Christmas, I will ask him to leave. I won't tell him it's because of the abuse, he would only deny this. If he refuses my only option is to either live together but in separate rooms until we can sell the house, or, if he gets abusive, a refuge. DD and I will probably end up in poverty as I can't work due to being DDs carer (she is autistic and only attends school part time - a long story and possibly too outing) so a life of benefits awaits me. So, one last Christmas in our large, warm house with all the home comforts before it all unravels.

DD and I nearly left very briefly this autumn, declared myself homeless at the council (on advice from Womens Aid), had a risk assessment with a refuge. The risk assessment was too low to be considered high risk, so it seemed returning home seemed like the best option at the time, whilst I planned a better, less dramatic way of ending things. BH knows absolutely nothing about this though as it happened during the day when he was out at work.

I think he is seeking out/lining up a replacement for me at work. It might just be a bit of flirting, it might be an EA, it might be a full-on affair. Either way, although it bloody hurts, I am hoping he might go straight to her when I break up with him. What a horrible and surreal situation when you wish your husband away on another woman??

Obviously, name changed for this.

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Pumpkinpatchlookinggood · 15/11/2022 13:36

If you are still sleeping with him make sure your contraception is secure....
Can you set up a new bank account or save some cash? What delayed me leaving was lack of finances... I bought a few things and kept them at a friend's house.. Save some shopping vouchers /stamps that will be in with the weekly shop - bin the receipt...
Make sure bills are in both names and you offer up half of the last statement (to the utility companies) post split.

Is there equity in the house? Seek legal advice on that.

Snorken · 15/11/2022 13:47

I kept my own bank account so have access to my CA and DLA. I have also managed to save a small amount of money that only I have access too.

Great suggestions about the vouchers, thank you.

Contraception is secure for sure!

There is quite a bit of equity in the house, the problem being that he sees it as 'his' house as he owned it before we got together. I have copies of mortgage statements, pension statements etc. He pays for all bills and mortgage etc, I realise it sounds like I'm stuck in the 1950s!

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Teaandtoast35 · 15/11/2022 14:00

OP, me too. I’m leaving and for lots of the same reasons. I found everything so subtle, and felt I was in the “fog”, until after an argument one evening I read Lundy’s book and was so shocked. All the “behaviour” we’d been working on was actually attitudes and beliefs about women (they’re taking advantage, always), himself (his feelings are far more important than anything going on), and me (I owe him because I’m not doing enough). Since then I haven’t been able to look at him without seeing the very manipulative cogs turning and it’s frightening. I don’t think he’s devoid of love - I just think it takes a backseat to his constant feelings of irritation? And also that his love doesn’t mean the same thing as mine. I’ve thought about leaving before, but then we lost a (big) baby and the grief is very bonding. I couldn’t be without him for a while and I did feel happy, although reading my diary I was alone a lot of the time - he is generally “too busy” (he barely works) to spend a lot of time with me.
We had that argument about 6 weeks ago, and since then I’ve been getting my ducks in a row. At first, I felt torn — perhaps knowing I should leave but not wanting to? i asked him to try (not only because I wanted to see if it could work but also so that if it didn’t I could say to myself I gave it my all) and also to book couples counselling (I know now from reading Lundy’s book that this is a bad idea). He booked it for over a month away, still not there yet, and he’s seemed to make it a thing I “have” to do to legitimately try at this relationship. But also, I am preparing my place to go to this week (family). I don’t even want to say when I’m leaving because I don’t want to jinx it!! But no couples counselling for me. I think you are doing such a brave thing for yourself and your daughter, and you sound really together about it. Last Xmas in big house for you, but think how much warmer the atmosphere will be when you are in (maybe) a lovely little flat with your daughter (and as a flat dweller, I’d suggest a modern block, one of the central properties - that way you barely have to turn your heating on! So toasty!). I’ll be thinking of you. Good luck to you.

Snorken · 15/11/2022 14:25

Pumpkinpatchlookinggood - so sorry to hear you were in a similar situation, it helps to hear that others have left successfully though and thank you for your advice.

Teaandtoast35 - I am so sorry for your loss and to hear that you are in a similar boat. I hope you manage to leave safely and set up a new life in your new home. Grief is bonding and having lost two close family members on BH's side I can see how is keeps you bonded to the person. Going though DD's ASD diagnosis process and everything that came with that was another grieving process in itself, it also meant that the family life he (we, I guess) wanted was not to be as our lifestyle has changed significantly to accommodate her needs. Everything you say about their needs/entitlement coming first rings true too, sadly.

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Snorken · 15/11/2022 14:27

Oh, and I can't wait to be in a cosy flat with DD! My mum divorced my dad when I was 8 and we moved from the family house to a lovey flat. I would never have swapped that flat for a house if it meant us staying with my dad (who was, no surprises, abusive too...)

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Snorken · 17/11/2022 09:52

So, this morning he did that 'screw loose' hand gesture (where you circle your index finger towards side of forehead and roll your eyes) to DD over my shoulder, to indicate how crazy I am.

Why was I crazy? Because I dared to stand up to him when he got grumpy because him getting ready for work in the kitchen area was being interrupted by me trying to get things ready for getting for DD going to school. To shut me up he tends to hug/squeeze me and make out that it's not an argument when I am challenging him, which is what he did when I asked him to stop ranting on about getting ready so I could explain that I too needed to be in the kitchen area as DD needed to go to school. This resulted in him hugging/squeezing me but as he was facing DD he did this gesture to get DD on his side in this 'argument' and show her how crazy her mother is. I then asked him if he really just did that to me/DD, as I have been telling him it is not ok to belittle me, and he then said I can't take things in good humor anymore. Classic Abuser shit talk but I am really struggling to keep my cool now. Bastard.

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