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Trying to process why I find this unsettling...

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doggydance79 · 13/11/2022 23:22

Ultimately, I know this will come down to it being none of my business, but I wonder if there's anything helpful I can do or say in the situation, or just to keep my nose out.

Some years ago, BIL decided he couldn't cope with his (undemanding) job and relentlessly "boring life", so he got a similar job with a friend in the country, bought a house with land, and now have a pretty sweet set up, with chickens, bees, orchard, etc. My sister didn't want to move.

He started complaining about his new job not long after, and has always said he'd be a househusband any day. Although he didn't offer seriously when their kids were little, and hard work. A few years ago, my sister was in an accident which has left her in a wheelchair. She can walk somewhat, but it is difficult. I visited the hospital every week for near on a year, giving mum a lift in. He/kids didn't visit very often partly because they live a good few hours away from the hospital. He farmed out her housework to the kids, and quit his job, even though they were very accommodating with time off and had also offered part time work.

She's back home now, all equipment, meds, physio and house mods will be paid for (forever) through government/insurance. Her compensation came through recently. All told, they will have substantially more available money per week than us (we both work), so it's a very decent amount which continues up to her pension age.

We went on our usual families get together last school holiday and it was rubbish. We usually do most everything together and have a great time, but BIL who isnt usually there and made it very clear he didn't want to be there) didn't want to get together, went off to do things with his daughter alone, didn't coordinate with the rest of us so we were waiting around and missing out on things, didn't do stuff if he didn't want to (even though his son wanted to specifically do stuff), and wasn't helpful or considerate at all with sister. I know this upset her, because she mentioned it more than once.

BIL has decided not to go back to work. I could understand that if he had some care role at home, he doesn't. He doesn't even clean her separate living area. I really don't know what he does beyond tend his garden, basic food shopping and as little 'housework' as possible. He farmed out most jobs to the kids.

I know it's almost the equivalent of one parent being a housewife/husband, but their kids are very self sufficient. He doesn't need to care for DS, he doesn't do much of the housework. He basically just does what he wants most of the time. He is very capable of working, and has 20 years until retirement. DS's lifespan isn't reduced or anything like that. She is independent. She hasn't said she'd prefer him to be at home full time because she's nervous of being alone or needs help. In fact, shes done it before when BIL took daughter camping for a few days. Our other sibling works in the care field and told her ages ago to make sure she protected the money when it came through, as he's seen many cases of partners just living off the comp money until it's all spent. Maybe it's this which makes me uneasy? The money is meant to be for her and her future, not for BIL to live off when he's capable of working. It worries me that she's in a vulnerable position, and it feels like she's being taken advantage of. I'll prob not end up saying anything though, as I don't think there's anything useful I can say/do.

Sorry this is so long! I can't really discuss it with anyone irl, but would be grateful for anyone's take on this, or info if anyone has been in a similar position. Thanks.

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OldFan · 13/11/2022 23:35

Do you feel she is mentally competent? (It sounds like she is.)

I think all you can do is maybe try and slightly bring up your feelings to her if you get some time alone with her. Ask her 'how do you feel about him giving up work?' and other questions like that, if you haven't already.

doggydance79 · 13/11/2022 23:59

Yes, she's definitely mentally competent. I do feel that she may be (quite understandably) worried about being left on her own, it seems to happen quite frequently in this kind of situation. Maybe she's thinking that letting him get his own way re. not bothering to work means he is more likely to stay, as he has it so good?

I know him not stepping up with the housework etc annoys and possibly depresses her, as she's said so. Surely if you're going to take on the role of a house husband you need to actually put the work in though. Not sit around doing what you want while living off your partner's money.

She's a bit touchy about me asking - when I asked why he wasn't going back to work, she just said because he doesn't have to, and hasn't spoken to me since...

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OldFan · 14/11/2022 00:08

Yes, she's definitely mentally competent. I do feel that she may be (quite understandably) worried about being left on her own, it seems to happen quite frequently in this kind of situation. Maybe she's thinking that letting him get his own way re. not bothering to work means he is more likely to stay, as he has it so good?

But does she even get anything positive out of him being there?

She's a bit touchy about me asking - when I asked why he wasn't going back to work, she just said because he doesn't have to, and hasn't spoken to me since...

I suppose you might have to tread carefully.

Each to their own I guess, or maybe she'll get sick of him in time. She wasn't happy with his antics on the holiday so it does sound like she sometimes sees what he's like.

Quiegal · 14/11/2022 00:17

Has your other family members been thinking the same as you?

You just don't know what he doing so it's hard to say.

I would try and just open eyes and ears when you see her.

Just keep an eye on situation don't say nothing.

FurElsie · 14/11/2022 00:18

It seems to.me your brother's advice is paramount here and very wise, her money needs to be protected. Focus on that as a first step, and hopefully you and your brother can liaise to try your best to make it happen? If she won't take advice you've done all you can

doggydance79 · 14/11/2022 00:43

But does she even get anything positive out of him being there?

Yes - he must do some cooking/cleaning and general stuff. Company. Going out to do stuff while the kids are at school. I guess that is more important to her than him earning any money (although I think that's a bit short sighted with financial situations being as they are nowadays). All I know is what she's told me, it doesn't sound as if he's doing the equivalent of what she would have been doing as a housewife, which is the annoying thing I guess.

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doggydance79 · 14/11/2022 00:58

Has your other family members been thinking the same as you?

It was DB who initially said to me about BILs poor attitude to work, and about DS looking after the money when she got it. I won't talk about it with my parents because whenever I've said anything before, they get arsey and basically tell me it's none of my business. I think they're just glad he didn't leave her.

I don't think there's anything I can do if she's happy for him to live off her money. Maybe its just sour grapes because everyone else is constantly grifting and worried about money right now. I also don't want my parents to disadvantage themselves if they bail them out of unforeseen financial issues later on, when BIL could have been working this whole time. I feel like a lot of people would think I'm a bitch for saying that, but DP got themselves really stressed out before, until I intervened. BIL is capable and old enough to provide for his family himself. Whether he does or not is a different matter.

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Bananalanacake · 14/11/2022 06:14

Waiting for someone to mention the C word.

ZooTropia · 14/11/2022 06:18

@Bananalanacake
CockLodger
Cunt
Co-dependent
Badger

Which one love?

ZooTropia · 14/11/2022 06:19

*Cadger bloody auto correct

BoobsAhoy · 14/11/2022 06:20

I’m sure there’s a legal issue about him using the money

doggydance79 · 14/11/2022 06:45

@ZooTropia ah! Badger, that's the word I was trying to come up with earlier! 😁

@BoobsAhoy why would there be though? It's money she gets in compensation and disability, so can use as she sees fit, which in this case appears to be supporting her dh in staying at home full time. (He's not got any issues preventing him from working though, so it seems odd to me.)

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EmmaDilemma5 · 14/11/2022 06:56

Many relationships are less than ideal.

I think the reality is, whilst it's totally understandable that you care for your sister and don't want her taken advantage of, it's her life and like any other adult, disability or not, she gets to decide about her relationships.

You've tested the water. You know she's aware (from her complaints on holiday) its now up to her.

I think pursuing anything further will push her away. Not only may she be worried about future relationships, but this is her husband who she has kids with. It's normal for her to fight for the relationship.

Fwiw - I would feel exactly the same as you and I totally sympathise with the frustration of seeing him leech and be so selfish over the years.

Bananalanacake · 14/11/2022 07:55

Cocklodger, as in he is refusing to work when he is physically able and expecting his wife to pay.

doggydance79 · 14/11/2022 08:52

Thanks @EmmaDilemma5 . You're right. I can totally understand any reasons she might have for preferring him to be at home, although she's never expressed any, so I don't know who's idea it is. I guess I'll just keep my thoughts to myself, am quite frustrated and disappointed though.

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Naunet · 14/11/2022 09:15

I’d feel exactly the same OP, what a horrible, selfish man he is. He’ll be off as soon as the money has run out. Unfortunately there’s nothing you can do. Maybe once she’s a little stronger she won’t feel like she needs him so much and will start seeing things more clearly.

LadyKenya · 14/11/2022 09:20

She will perhaps see things clearly in her own time. Just be supportive, try not to push the issue, as she may pull away from you.

VoleClock · 14/11/2022 12:46

Have you raised the issue of pensions? Has he worked enough years to qualify for the maximum state pension? That might give you a practical way to start a conversation rather than coming from his being lazy etc etc

ManAboutTown · 14/11/2022 17:43

It sounds like you get on well with her so take her out for a long lunch and just talk.

Ask her how things are working - she might just need an opening to let things out. He sounds like a lazy arse but you need to get her to let you know what's what.

doggydance79 · 15/11/2022 05:53

@VoleClock no, the conversation didn't actually get very far, she doesn't want to discuss anything about it, if the little conversation we had was any indication.

@ManAboutTown not likely to happen as we see them so rarely now, and it's a family visit when we get together (due to distance). I get your point though. She's said many things in the past, but they've never led to any changes, so I think I would just end up as a frustrated sounding board at best.

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