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was he after my money?

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longchamp22 · 12/11/2022 23:58

I realised reading few threads here and even one today that I may not be as alone as I thought I am.

Here is my story. I will try to keep it short. Emphasis on TRY! Few years ago I met a man (big age gap), we started a relationship. It was my last call to have a baby then but he had vasectomy before meeting me, however he told me he intends to reverse it. I was happy to pursue this in a hope we will build a family together. He already had adult children. I was also in a very good financial position and in a process of buying a property out right. He started making all sorts of obstructions to me buying my own property and to us having a child. I did not see it at first. The plan was he will be looking to have his reversal done. He will keep his house. I will progress with a purchase of my own property and we will rent to see first how things are. In our then circumstances it was most sensible.

Each time there was a suitable property and I wanted to progress he would start an argument and make me feel guilty of buying my own place ( I wanted it as a security blanket and investment). Initially I trusted he had my best interest at heart but after yet another argument I became suspicious.

He was renting out his place and I was happy for him to have that income so why was I made to feel guilty to do the same? His idea was that he thought I should put all my money into a property with him. I did not understand why since he already had his place. Location was not suitable for us to live there and blend with work. He became very adamant about what type of place we should buy and where and it was not what I wanted. It was all what he wanted. Why should I put all my money into a mortgage with him for a big house I do not want whereas instead both of us can be mortgage free having our own places? Additionally I was also taking into consideration the risk with his children later becoming beneficiaries of what I put in. Just did not make any sense.
Surely everyone wants to be mortgage free asap not take mortgage late in life. When people plan retirement they want to downsize not take mortgage for a bigger place.

The age gap between us also meant that whilst he is retired I would still be paying it all off whilst working. Here comes the baby to play (or rather not). I was not quite sure where would the baby that I so wanted come to play and fit into the scenario. Each time we would start the topic he would end up shouting at me that if we do not buy a house together there is no way we are going to have a child at current place (mews house rental). Mews house was too small in his opinion, he wanted big detached house with a hobby room for him. After a while of listening to his shouting (each time same arguments were raised) I began to realise that there is no space in his life, mind, heart for a baby but plenty to manage my finances and his retirement plan. It got to the point that he started pushing for a wedding. I did not want to get married as at that point I started to feel something is not right. He was desperate for wedding with me, mortgage with me but not a child with me which the latter was priority considering my age.

Each time I was trying to progress with the process of us having a baby he would find a hoop for me to jump through. Eventually he decided that perhaps I should go to the doctors first before he goes because maybe I am in fact infertile considering I did not have children and he obviously had kids before so he knows everything is ok with him. It hurt.
I booked myself to a clinic. I was happily surprised at the time when the doctor said despite my age I had good chances for a healthy pregnancy. All was good. I insisted for further more expensive tests which only confirmed that I was all well and good to get pregnant. I got the results and asked him if he wants to see them. He said no. It hurt again.
At that point I was waiting when is he going to go to the doctors. Months were passing by, he didn't. Eventually I raised the topic again and guess what another hurdle - he told me that I should go to another doctor and he will go with me. Go again through same set of tests as if the previous were not valid to him. It felt he was almost hoping that eventually my tests will come out bad enough so he can say 'oh well see you can't have children'. I felt awful.

I lived my life feeling I am in some sort of a game. I came over here and started reading all sorts of stories which made my head spin but in a good way. I started wondering what is his motivation. Why is he with me. Is he looking for a younger free carer when he is older? just no more kids as he wants peace. I read here about nurse with a purse which is a great phrase. Part of me started doubting - perhaps I am wrong, maybe I am over sensitive but then again the arguments were so intense and money focused my gut feel was screaming. Eventually he started asking questions about my inheritance which I also felt was inappropriate. I later read here about women sharing how their partners are complaining about money ie fishing for financial help. I had that too. He made me feel guilty few times that I was debt free to then say in next sentence that I am stupid with money. I felt he was pure envious. I also thought it was odd for an middle aged man to be complaining about money whilst owning a house and having a six figure job. It just did not add up. I wonder what do you think? What was going on? Where could this all end up?
A bit long in the end. sorry. x

OP posts:
billy1966 · 13/11/2022 09:25

ListeningButNotHearing · 13/11/2022 08:56

He’s a conniving bastard, who
obviously thinks you are extremely dumb and naive.

This.

He hasn't a notion of a baby, clearly.

He wants a comfortable retirement with you paying for it as he banks his money.

Could it be any clearer?

DelphiniumBlue · 13/11/2022 09:29

He's had a vasectomy? Have you looked up the chances of a reversal actually working? They are quite low. You are unlikely to be able to have children with this man.
He also sounds horrible and yes, he is after your money.

SavouryPancake · 13/11/2022 09:31

The deep desire for a baby is badly clouding your judgement, and you are making yourself unnecessarily vulnerable. Please try to reason through that in your mind, with a therapist if possible, or a very wise trusted friend.

You have it all figured out. Please trust yourself.
Your own opinion is more trustworthy than his, because you can trust that you are looking after your interests.

And never again tell a partner your financial worth or that you can afford to buy a house outright, it muddies the water too much, as you have found out. Especially if you don’t intend to worry them. Keep all mail pertaining to that locked in future relationships, or redirected to a post box.

And stop wasting money on renting with him and buy that house for yourself. I wouldn’t advise cohabitation, you don’t even trust his motives, and rightly so.

Your home should be a safe haven, never bring someone into it who you don’t trust 100%.

IfOnlyOCould · 13/11/2022 09:34

It was my last call to have a baby.....

It sounds like you have put you desire to have a baby before anything else. He sounds horrible. Why would you choose someone like that to be the father of your children? It's unfair on you and it would be very unfair on any children bought into the relationship.

AriettyHomily · 13/11/2022 09:51

Is this the bloke that wanted to stay in the mansion flat? Should have moved on by now op. Sorry if not.

Rainydays2 · 13/11/2022 09:57

It sounds like a baby with him is off the cards, I’m sorry. I think you should pursue options to do it on your own if this is what you want, and don’t waste any more time.

Aubree17 · 13/11/2022 10:19

I think your goals in life are misaligned.

I don't believe he really wants children. He had a vasectomy. He has mentioned a reversal either to appease you or convince you to have a relationship with him.

I totally agree mortgage free is the way forward. If your serious about a future then buy a house that your available cash allows and make sure the equity % is reflected in legal documents and you are protected.

Each owning your own property implies that neither of you are committed to the relationship.

I think you need a honest chat about the future. Your relationship (there are many red flags in his shouting), your desire for children and your future living arrangements. If you can't reach agreement I think it's time to move on.

SuperCamp · 13/11/2022 10:37

I would say he had changed his mind about a baby.

Absolutely ridiculous of him to insist on you getting tests. And I can’t understand why you ever agreed to a second set of tests. While meanwhile neither of you were researching vasectomy reversal? Which doesn’t work 20 years post vasectomy and is only 45% successful 9-14 years after the original op.

Maybe (to play devils advocate) he felt that your reluctance to buy a joint house was a sign of a lack of commitment from you, and maybe worried that what you were after was a man to get you pregnant and then pay towards the child. But what woman would choose a man who had had a vasectomy for that role?

I think he didn’t want a baby.

Anyway, hopefully you are well out of it by now.

oobeedoobee · 13/11/2022 11:37

OP, you have posted multiple times previously about this, and been given an almost universal response of ''He doesn't want a baby'' and ''He's trying to get you to finance his old age/retirement.''

I fail to see what you're hoping for with the multiple posts ? (Not a dig, I just want to understand ?)

Is it because you can't face the truth of your situation ?
Or is it because you're somehow hoping for a different consensus ?
Or because you're trying to get the courage to finally leave ?

Iflyaway · 13/11/2022 11:52

Buy that house which you will need to bring up a child in. Then go for it via sperm donor.

Drop the useless baggage. He's only in it for himself.

PinkiOcelot · 13/11/2022 13:10

I don’t think it could be any clearer if he even come out and just said it. Do yourself a favour OP. Get rid of this horrible man and his agenda.

2bazookas · 13/11/2022 13:45

When DH had a vasectomy, the surgeon impressed upon us this was 100% permanent and irreversible . we replied " Good. That's exactly why we want it".

You've been conned, he's after your money.

kingtamponthefurred · 13/11/2022 13:59

It seems fairly clear that he is interested in your money rather than in starting a family with you. If you are going to, effectively, pay someone to father your child, wouldn't you be better off with someone younger who has not had a vasectomy?

F0ggyM0rning · 13/11/2022 14:21

I cannot see any positives from this relationship

You want a baby - He has had a vasectomy & already has older children

You want to buy a property - He wants you to rent a place

Find someone younger or find a sperm donor

Put yourself first, you don't need him to move forward

mythreeandi · 13/11/2022 14:26

F0ggyM0rning · 13/11/2022 14:21

I cannot see any positives from this relationship

You want a baby - He has had a vasectomy & already has older children

You want to buy a property - He wants you to rent a place

Find someone younger or find a sperm donor

Put yourself first, you don't need him to move forward

Totally agree with this.
Sorry OP.

Tsort · 13/11/2022 14:36

You posted this before fairly recently. We told you that he was a loser and you should stop allowing yourself to be treated like this. The responses on this thread won’t be any different.

Nanny0gg · 13/11/2022 14:54

Please say you've ditched him? Your life sounds miserable

SuperCamp · 13/11/2022 14:55

So, in this ‘plan’, even though you have enough to buy mortgage free, you would be living in a big mortgaged house.

And you would be paying the mortgage.

Because he is retired.

And you would be a f/t working mum, to pay the mortgage.

And paying for childcare.

Because he would be busy in his hobby room, enjoying his retirement.

Can I ask if you have seen proof of his ownership of his house?

His desperation to get you to marry is either to get his mitts on your property, and / or to trap you so that you don’t run off with someone who has not had his vas deferens severed.

Wherearemymarbles · 13/11/2022 17:58

OP there isnt a man born who relishes the idea of a vasectomy.
nor is there a man born who relishes the idea of nappies when he already has adult kids

take the two together and…..

he is almost certainly planning his retirement around your income and inheritance

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