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DP and cleaning

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cluttercatastrophe · 12/11/2022 17:50

DP and have lived together for three years (been together longer). He has a place by the seaside (where he’s from) and I have a flat in a nearby city. On a typical week, we spend four days at mine (work) and three at his, but it varies.

When we first moved in together, it was 100% in the seaside location, where we ended up staying a while due to COVID. Cleaning/tidying was never really an issue - we managed to keep a clean house by doing jobs on the spot and also having a big clean every few weeks. At the time, both of us were pretty average in terms of tidiness - not slobs but not neat freaks either. The main difference was that he cleans MUCH faster than me (I have no idea how he does it, he’s not as detailed but still gets much more done than I do in a shorter time).

Over the last year or so, DP has become increasingly obsessed with keeping things clean and tidy. On several occasions now it has completely ruined an otherwise nice moment (e.g. i want to have a hug but no, the coffee cup needs to go in the sink NOW), and he’s also become quite bossy, almost like a parent telling me to tidy up after myself.

We are moving back to his house permanently so are clearing out and renovating my flat with a view to rent it out. I’ve accumulated quite a lot of clutter and the flat wasn’t in a great state to begin with, so there’s a lot of work to do, and not all of it is straightforward or “visible” (lots of behind the scenes stuff and sorting through boxes; I’ve had days where I’ve spent hours organising things but it doesn’t “look” like there’s been a big change iykwim).

DP has been helpful on a practical level, but at times quite mean and critical about the progress I’m making (or lack thereof). He often makes comments about me not having done enough, how is this 5 hours’ work, it’s only a small flat, I could do this in an hour, etc. When I try to explain that it can take me several hours to go through one box, or list all the things I’ve done that day, he’s not interested: he just sees that the sheets haven’t been put on yet, a few plates are in the sink, and a box is half-unpacked (“this was packed when I left this morning” - well yes, but I need to sort through it instead of just shipping it off!)

So optically it looks worse, but I’ve actually put in a lot of time, if that makes sense. And I appreciate that I work very slowly.

He also constantly talks about tidying and cleaning. We’ll be having a conversation about work or whatever, and boom, he’s talking about what he cleaned that day in his house, or drawing up yet another strategy on how to de-clutter my place. It’s obviously on his mind a lot which can’t be fun for him either.

I’m sad to say it’s become a huge - maybe the biggest ever - stressor in our relationship. We constantly fight about it and I’ve asked him several times not to criticize what I’ve done in a given day and just acknowledge that I’m trying, but he keeps doing it.

In all other areas he’s a lovely man, super supportive and kind, always puts my needs in front of his, and never gives me grief or criticizes me about anything else. To be clear, he’s doing a lot of the cleaning/tidying himself, and volunteered to help as it was his idea to start this whole project.

I think he is genuinely perplexed at how long it’s taking me, and feels unsettled living in the flat (in fairness it is not very homely at the moment, lots of boxes and temporary furniture - I hate it too but it is what it is).

His obsession with cleaning is obviously the main issue, though.

i know this sounds so trivial but I am in tears right now after another argument and just feel completely useless and powerless. The decluttering and cleaning is bad enough without him making me feel like shit about it.

Please help me get some perspective on this!

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FinallyHere · 12/11/2022 22:47

a lot of the frustration comes from him just shutting me down when I try to tell my side of the story.

I wouldn't agree with PP who seemed to me to suggest that you just had to get rid of all your clutter and move into his exemplarily tidy place so he can unclench and you live happy ever after together.

I know I'm projecting here but I really wish I had retained separate households with now DH. We had ten years together with never a cross word when we each had our own places. Trying to work it out together on one shared space has not been any kind of fun.

What are the advantages to you moving in together that will be worth it in spite of these incompatibilities?

burnoutbabe · 12/11/2022 22:59

Why can't you just say that you are going to just pay for storage of all the hard to sort boxes and it's a project for another time.

Then start on actual packing that looks productive- kitchen stuff /bedding cupboards etc.

Storage is £100 a month so worth it to fix this issue maybe? As sorting this seems to be paralysing you and if it's all in boxes and easy to store why shouldn't you keep it?

Mindofa4yo · 12/11/2022 23:04

Oh gosh, are you my DH? When we both sold our places before moving in together I got really stressed out by the amount of stuff and clutter in his house. I suddenly worried whether he'd be bringing this chaos into our home. Maybe your DH is getting a bit stressed about this too?

DH also cleans painfully slowly and I ended up doing most of the cleaning of his house before he moved as he could never have managed it in time. He would genuinely have packed one cupboard in the time it took me to pack and deep clean the whole kitchen.

On the positive side, here we are still together 7 years and 2 DC later. I'll be honest, most of our disagreements are about cleaning still. I see mess, he doesn't. But he's definitely increased his standard (not speed though!) and met me half way.

I can see why you'd be put off by the criticism though. I'm surprised DH didn't run a mile, I'd listen to myself and realise how mean I sounded.

Perridot · 13/11/2022 00:23

Im sorry but I would really struggle to live with you. My DP is like you and I find it quite difficult. I’m not super obsessive about cleaning but I like things to be clean and tidy and relatively free of clutter. He just doesn’t see dirt/mess the way I do. He also has a pet which makes things worse as there is a pet smell that lingers. I love spending time with him but I’m not able to fully relax when I’m staying with him. I told him how I feel and he is slowly getting better thankfully. Your DP shouldn’t be shutting you down and making you cry but I imagine he’s frustrated with the situation. I grew up with parents that have hoarding tendencies and it stressed me out so much which is why I’m a bit of a neat freak now. I would have a frank conversation with him and tell him you’re trying but he’s upsetting you which isn’t helping. I also think you could be a little faster and a little more ruthless with decluttering. I guarantee you don’t need at least 20% of the stuff you’ve held onto. Good luck

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