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Is it over?

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10thingsihateaboutyou · 03/11/2022 14:39

I am feeling so so sad right now. I'm on a break from work and don't remember when I last felt so deflated. Not crying or anything, I almost feel too sad to cry, if that makes sense.

My DH of 5 years and I have been fighting and bickering regularly for the last few years. We have two DS, 2 and 4. So really since my youngest was born.

The main issue is that our communication is crap. My DH talks down to me, constantly pointing out that I have left the kitchen sticky, or that I'm not dressing the kids warm enough, changing their nappy often enough, putting too many layers on when it's warm, straps are too tight in the car seat, I'm not cooking well enough for the kids etc. When I make a meal for him he usually doesn't comment or asks why I put honey in the honey chilli chicken when he doesn't like that. It has gotten to the point that I ask him before I leave the house with the kids if he thinks what they are wearing is ok. I feel like this all sounds so stupid but it is constant and it is wearing me down.

When I do react to his comments and get annoyed, he patronises me by referring to my baby brain, or asks if my period is coming. I do get more irritated on the run up to my period, but I think that just means I'm less able to ignore his bullshit...so really it is me reacting to him, as opposed to me being irrational.

The argument at the moment is because he was late at work 2 nights ago (he works long crazy hours and all the kid admin is left to me, I work part time). I got the boys fed, bathed, ready for bed...then put them both down to sleep (I have to lie down with them). I was in with the older one and he was finally drifting off (it was 8.15 and we hard started the bedtime routine just after 7). He has a cold so he really needs the sleep. My husband has finally arrived home from work, gotten himself showered and decided to sneak into the room and wakes up my son. He knows that when the lights are off and it's quiet that I'm doing bedtime. I stormed off and said you can put DS to bed then (my DS prefers DH at bedtime, he only accepts me when DH isn't there). I did stomp about a bit because I was so frustrated. But I feel like I am always doing the hard graft and then he gets to sail in like fucking Disney dad to be full of fun and cuddles, and doesn't care if he disrupts my hard work. He then came downstairs and asked for an apology, and I tried to explain why I was frustrated and an huge argument broke out. He doesn't let me finish when we argue, he interrupts me and twists what I say. I got worked up and shouted...he said he needed space and didn't want to talk to me so I have given him that.

Last night he came in and did nothing for the boys for bedtime. I was rushing around as usual and asked him if he was going to help, and he said he is scared to help or get in my way as I will just get angry at him. He has said that he won't come home before work anymore before 8pm to please me and so he doesn't get into trouble.

I asked him (over text as I thought it was better and he was in the spare bed in our older son's room), if he would consider counselling or can we talk to try to resolve this? I reacted in a frustrated way (which he has done to me many many times), I said it wasn't the right way to act but can he understand why I did? He is refusing to see things my way and when I ask how we resolve this all he replies with is he will come home after 8 and then I can have everything my way. I said I want to fight for our marriage and we can't carry on fighting like this and he just keeps on that he will stay away and if I want to scream at him then that's up to me, and that I like to argue.

If this was a one off then it would be ok, but it's all the time. Usually I let things go and compromise but it's always me. I'm not doing it anymore, I'm standing up for myself and I feel he doesn't like it. We are still not talking and I'm dreading going home and him coming home later. I can't live like this. What do I do? Am I in the wrong here? Have I misunderstood everything?

OP posts:
KettrickenSmiled · 04/11/2022 14:54

Mari9999 · 04/11/2022 14:51

It sounds as though you are both irritating the other and not recognizing the depth of the irritation that you each cause the other. His comments to you are unkind and insensitive. His solution of staying out of your way may be reasonable if it is not done In a passive aggressive way. Leaving you to manage things in your own way may be preferable to encountering your annoyance

You say that you are always doing little things for him, and he is constantly asking you not to do those things. Why then don't you stop doing those things? He may prefer to do those little things his own way.. You seem doing them as a sign of helping caring. He experiences them as an annoyance.

You are both acting with seemingly good intentions, but you both seem fixated on doing things in your own way.Your problems may stem not from your differences so much as from the way that you are so much alike.

If you each step back and recognize that there are many ways of doing the same task and many ways of reaching the same goals, you might both encounter less resistance. No need to try and fix the other; you should both work on becoming more tolerant and less insistent on fixing or correcting each other.

WTF have I just read?

Where are you getting this man's "good intentions" from @Mari9999 ?
Did you not read the OP?
Or have you just popped in to do a bit of hit-&-run victim blaming?

Watchkeys · 04/11/2022 17:23

@Mari9999

Did you read the OP? Your post makes no sense as a response to it. You're referencing essentials for solving the problems that aren't there. Even just this

If you each step back and recognize that there are many ways of doing the same task

is a non-starter because if OP could get him to take a step back and analyse what was going wrong, she wouldn't be posting here. Do you think she's going to be able to go to the man she described and say 'Oh, darling, I've realised what's been wrong all this time... we just need to talk to each other!' and he's going to say 'Thank you darling, so fabulous that you've worked it all out, let's talk right now!'

TurnipTime · 04/11/2022 18:48

Hear hear @Watchkeys

KirstenBlest · 04/11/2022 20:23

The one thing you are doing wrong @10thingsihateaboutyou , is letting it continue. Your DC look up to their DF because he is limiting the access they have to him, whereas you are consistently there for them.

By letting things continue as they are, you and your H are giving them a template of what a DM and DF do. They will see it as normal, and that's not right.

The he patronises me by referring to my baby brain, or asks if my period is coming is grounds enough to separate, but other pp have said what he is doing. Basically, he's a selfish man who is making it look like you are in the wrong. You are not. You are the best mum your little boys will ever have.

Pinkbonbon · 05/11/2022 00:36

Easiest way to know if you qre being headfucked by an abuser: You drive yourself nuts trying to explain to him why his obviously shit behaviour is shit.

If you find yourself asking 'how can I make him understand?' Or thinking 'if only i could find the right words to make him understand (why his hurtful behaviour is hurtful)' Then you are in an abusive relationship.

Pinkbonbon · 05/11/2022 00:39

Ps: he DOES understand. He gets it. He just doesn't want you to know this.

So that you'll keep looking inwards for ways to explain to him why you are hurt instead of getting the fuck out of there.

Normal people have basic human empathy. If they 'dont get it' then don't waste time explaining it to them. Just run for the hills and never look back!

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/11/2022 07:57

+Easiest way to know if you qre being headfucked by an abuser: You drive yourself nuts trying to explain to him why his obviously shit behaviour is shit.*
This 👏👏👏👏

ThisWormHasTurned · 05/11/2022 08:14

Pinkbonbon · 05/11/2022 00:36

Easiest way to know if you qre being headfucked by an abuser: You drive yourself nuts trying to explain to him why his obviously shit behaviour is shit.

If you find yourself asking 'how can I make him understand?' Or thinking 'if only i could find the right words to make him understand (why his hurtful behaviour is hurtful)' Then you are in an abusive relationship.

Indeed. Yet he will never admit that he is abusive because he is obviously 🙄 blameless in the situation. The only way to take back control is to escape.

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