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Does anybody else find their in-laws "easier" than their parents?

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genia · 08/11/2002 18:33

Hi
My mother and I have had a difficult relationship I guess ever since I started seeing dh, and this difficulty seems to have intensified since ds was born almost a year ago now.
I know some people live close to their parents and see them very regularly and indeed want to, but I don't come into that category. We live in London and my parents live in Brussels. For various reasons they are renting a flat close to us and therefore come to London as often as they like now (since my Dad retired last year)which seems to be roughly every 4 or 5 weeks staying for about a week to 10 days. During that time we might see them every two days and I just find it TOO MUCH! The first 2 or 3 times we see each other are fine but after that the difficulties start springing up. I find them intrusive. Eg: if I go upstairs with ds to either feed him (I am still breastfeeding) or change his nappy, they want to know why I went upstairs. Mum used to ask me constantly what ds was eating but has kind of stopped doing that. If ds spends a long time with either myself or dh they call him "mummy's" or "daddy's" boy which really annoys me because it is completely normal for him to be like this at the moment. Once when he wouldn't go to them (though he does get on very well with my Dad) my Mum said "are we not good enough" - which is mad behaviour. They are desperate to help and though it was great at first I now feel slightly humiliated by my Mum going round the house tidying laundry and seeing the state it's in. I think she sees the grandmother role in a certain way and is disappointed it is not quite like that at the moment. Basically they are overbearing and though there are the usual irritations with my in-laws (like when BIL said about ds "he looks like you" (me) and then turned to ds and said "snap out of it" but they are MUCH more relaxing to be with and seem to just accept that dh and I are in charge and that's that really. They LOVE babies and all the grandchildren but they are quite zen about it in a way (I may live to regret saying this!).
In an ideal world we would either see my parents every 4 or 5 weeks for 2 or 3 days only, or roughly every 3 months for a bit longer. I just find that since having ds I have been pinned to the ground as far as seeing family is concerned. I thought I had kind of "graduated" from them but they seem to be back in full force to see THEIR grandchild. Though my mother tries with me, I know she has a lot of gripes about the way I behave and to have a confrontation with her about anything would open the floodgates. My father basically backs my mother whatever and is a rather sarcastic type... I just feel that they don't respect my autonomous status enough and also that they (well my mother anyway) are in some way envious of the relationship dh and I have with ds. It's difficult to define all of this properly because basically there is a lot more baggage than just that and it would take months to work everything out in my head. Basically they were over-protective parents. I always feels my mother wants something different to what I am offering and it creates a lot of tension between us. I basically don't want to be that close because I think we are very different and they don't just let you be the person you want to be.... Anyway, if anybody has made it to the end of this garbled message, I am impressed.

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Lindy · 08/11/2002 18:52

Sorry I haven't got time for a long reply but I think the real issue, and it is the same for me, is that when you live such a long distance from your parents then visits can't just be for lunch or (lucky ones who have this facility!) the odd afternoon or evening's babysitting- it always has to be for a longer time & then it means you can't get on with your life as normal and the inevitable criticism, constructive or otherwise, beings to start. Don't worry about your mum helping with the housework, if that's what she wants to do - let her get on with it & give yourself a break! I know you are still breast feeding but it is it possible to use them to babysit so you can get out on your own a little? Then they will feel useful & you can have a change of scenery.

Regarding in-laws - I am mean to say this but don't have any p-i-l issues now they have both died!!

zebra · 08/11/2002 21:50

HI Genia -- my parents live on the other side of the planet, which means we live with each other 24/7 for a about a week when I do seem them (divorced). My mother pulls a lot of emotional guilt trips which annoy me no end. I love my dad to bits but he can be very thick about some things...It's hard to suddenly be thrown in with relatives like that.

Anyway, I just get the impression that you have a lot of unresolved autonomy issues with your parents, too, and that's why it's so hard to have them right in your face interfering again. Plus in such short intense bursts. I wondered if either of them is more approachable (your mum?) and maybe you could just sit down and have a heart-to-heart talk about you needing a little more space. Most of all I suspect you'll just need to learn to ignore them, sometimes. I know if it was me I would start giving short answers to all questions & just shut their presence out mentally if not physically.

susanmt · 09/11/2002 03:30

Yes, I do! My MIL is a total gem, and I find her much, much easier than either my own mother or my stepmum (who was in the mother role from age 14). My Mum basically is so wrapped up in herself and her own little family (ran away with Dad's best friend when I was 12, got married, has a 16 yo daughter) that she has little time for us, although, like you, has been a bit more around since dd was born nearly 3 years ago. She does come in and clean and everything but I make the most of it and I can relax as it is only 203 times a year. My stepmum is lovely but I always feel like she doesn't take my family quite seriously enough. She and my Dad married when I was 14, uniting our little family (me, dad, sister, brother) with hers (her, 3 boys). Everyone else in the family is really even handed about things and there are no differences between step and real, for example, except with her. One of her sons has a ds who is a year older than my dd and in fact their 2nd baby is due tomorrow, and she has offered to go and stay and help and she never even mentioned this to me when either of mine were born.
MIL, on the other hand, is marvellous. SHe didn't like me much when I first started seeing dh (I was taking him away I think, and stopping him moving back to Ireland to be close to her, the hussy that I am!) but now she is amazing. The only thing she does wrong is spending too much money on the children. She supports every decision we make about parenting, is interested in the miutae of their lives, and lives a days journsy away so we dont see her very much. We are off on hols to visit tomorrow and I am really looking forward to it. In the summer when I was ill and wasn't coping very well it was her I phoned to come and help out, not either of my own Mums!
I see that this is a total reversal of your situation, which soulds awful and extreme and would drive me insane (we don't live near any family, but have regular contact with them all) and seems to be in the control of your parents (you did say there were control issues!). But it is not unusual, I think, to get on better with inlaws.
I didn't mention my Dad - he is a gem. If I could have taken him out of work and got him to come and stay in the summer I would have. He brought us up and looked after us when my mother had run off, and is the most special Daddy in the world, to me. But he is a man, of course, and sometimes you just need a woman.mummy to talk to, and that role in my life is really filled by MIL.

susanmt · 09/11/2002 03:30

thats 2 -3 times a year, not 203!!!

slug · 09/11/2002 16:00

Like zebra my parents live on the other side of the world, so when I do see them it's the 24/7 thing which can drive me insane in a very short time. It's not that I don't love my parents, it's just that they're a bit old and dotty, and I just didn't have a very intense relationship with them to start with. I'm one of eleven children, so much of the parenting was done by ourselves. I'm constantly amazed by people's close relationships with their parents. I think on the whole my siblings and I tend to treat our parents as much loved but slightly dotty uncle and aunt who we see occasionally.

Hoaving said that, as I've posted elsewhere on mumsnet, I love my inlaws. They live only 10 minutes walk away from us and we see them for the Sunday lunch ritual every week. The sluglet is their only grandchild, and having given up hope of ever getting one grandchild, and knowing full well that we intend to have no others, they do their utmost to be as supportive as possible. They saved my sanity when being on maternity leave was driving me to depression and took her for two afternoons a week while I went back to work. Twice before she turned one they took her for several days at a time while dh and I swanned off for a few days together abroad. I do my best not to rely on them to much, but I'm determined that she's as at home at their place as ours.

genia, I'm sure the problems have as much to do with the short intense bursts, which probably force you back into the parent/child behaviour patterns of your youth when you lived with them. Every time I'm with my parents for a long time I feel the secretive sulky adolescent coming out. However, I never had this history with the inlaws, hence the more adult response to anything they say.

(sorry, not very coherent, but the sluglet is causing havoc as I type)

monkey · 10/11/2002 10:02

Hi genia, sorry I haven't got too much advice, other than if you'e family are winding you up so much, maybe you can try and distance yourself a bit, eg leaving ds with them for the day while you go out, or go out with them to a park/museum/cafe - I always find my lot less stressful ouit of the house than cooped up in it.

I find my in-laws much less stressful than my family. when we return to uk for visit, we nearly always stay with in-laws, usually it's coincidental, eg my lot decorating or something, but I'm always glad!

My problem is that my in-laws seem toprefer talking to me than dh - their own ds/dgs. They always chat to me for ages & don't even ask to speak to him, or if they do, it's only for a minute. He can be snappy & they do ask stupid questions that irritate him & he can be short with them, so that's why. I've tried getting him to be less terse with them & try & chat innanly about the shopping or whatever his mum wants to go on about, but it's getting worse to the point that they rarely speak to him & soiund disappointed when he answers the 'phone. I find it really sad & can't seem to break through ths - any ideas?

jac34 · 10/11/2002 11:55

My Mum drives me nuts !!! but my mil is brilliant !!!My parents are hopeless with the kids( I was an only child ), they just don't seem to have a clue how to deal with two very lively 4yo's.Sometimes I get the impression they make excuses not to visit us. My mil had 6 kids, one with learning difficulties,she helped her dh run two buisinesses and was widowed at a young age.
She is so layed back and full of advice, but does not interfere.It's just unfortunate that she lives in Spain and not arround the corner.

Lindy · 10/11/2002 16:33

Monkey - no advice but I know your problem; my DH was exactly the wame with his mother - when she came to lunch he would hide behind the paper or suddenly find 'some chores' to do (unheard of most of the time of course!!); inevitably she just chatted to me because I made so much more of an effort to ask her questions about her life & interests; DH generally just never took much interest in her at all, it really irritated me that he just couldn't even pretend to enjoy her company, even when she was dying & it was me that had to sit & hold her hand (& not because he was grief-stricken) - so, no answer but I appreciate how difficult it can be.

roxie · 10/11/2002 16:41

If my in-laws, (or in my case, out-laws), lived on the planet Mars - it would be TOO damn close!!!

ks · 10/11/2002 20:46

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roxie · 10/11/2002 20:52

ks
understand you totally. We are cut off from them. They couldn't care less about their grandchildren, to them they are an inconvenience.
Can feel myself going off on one!!!

Roxie

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