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Stuck in a moment

10 replies

AprilRaine · 10/10/2022 06:22

I have been with my husband for 12 years, married for 8.
He recently had a friendship with someone at work which developed to the point that they kissed several times in the office. He tells me this is the extent of it.
This is the very short version.
I first found out about messages sent to each other in June after the code on his phone was changed and the messages deleted (not before I saw they were there). He continued to reassure me that they were just friends and that it would be a conscious decision for anything physical to happen between them. I made it clear I thought this could and would happen but he was adamant. I also told him all the way through this that however upset and hurt I was by his continuing this 'connection' I was also realistic in that I accepted not every relationship lasts forever and maybe this had highlighted a checkpoint for us to look at our relationship, which wasn't perfect but I felt was very stable. I did however make it clear he had to choose between our relationship and his friendship with her.
Fast forward and I find out that they had in fact (after the point he said about the conscious decision) kissed several times as well as exchanging sexually explicit messages.
On the surface he chose me but I then found out they continued to message each other, but this was ok because they were just making sure the other one was ok and it was back to being just friends.
There had been a conversation in which he had made it clear that he was not leaving me and then within days she came clean to her partner. He doesn't see this as being connected.
In fact, I feel he's deluded about the whole thing.
The first glimmer of remorse was when she told her partner because it started to affect him. He doesn't see it as an affair. I asked him to leave and he very begrudgingly went to stay with his parents around 8 weeks ago. I've asked him to show me that it is me he wants to be with, not the life we have built with our two young children and he thinks merely sleeping somewhere else (he's still here for the childcare he usually does anyway) is showing me that.
This whole thing has blindsided me.
There's a bit more detail that I won't go into but basically I feel that he has put his and her needs in front of mine at every turn and opportunity I have given him and completely disrespected me.
I'm at the stage now where I need to make plans for the future.
He thinks I'm overreacting about the whole thing, but I feel like I need to protect myself and my kids.
And yes they still work together.
Help!

OP posts:
KangarooKenny · 10/10/2022 07:28

Its obvious to me, end it as he cheated.
Sex or no sex, he has disrespected you and your family.

Olsi109 · 10/10/2022 07:43

Throughout the post I was thinking maybe given him the benefit of the doubt and see if you can attend marriage counselling etc to get your marriage back on track if that's what you want. Then I got to the end and he says you're overreacting - that's a red flag. He can't do something so disrespectful as to (as far as you're aware) at least cheat emotionally with this colleague and cheat by kissing - this is still cheating - and then tell you your feelings about this aren't valid! I wouldn't move him back in or attempt to sort things until he really showed you he understands what he's actually done and how this has impacted your marriage.

AprilRaine · 10/10/2022 09:11

Thank you! This is what I think. Honestly, if it had happened, I'd found out and then he showed any kind of understanding or value to my feelings I know we could work through this, but it's that bit of not recognising it for what it it was because he didn't.

OP posts:
Seaoftroubles · 10/10/2022 09:27

This was not just a friendship, its obvious he was cheating. You have every right to expect him to be remorseful and at the very least to try to do everything he can to mend your relationship ( if that's really what you want.) The over reacting comment shows how little he respects and values you and your children.

Aprilx · 10/10/2022 10:02

You aren’t over reacting, in fact I found it a bit of an under reaction that you referred to it as a friendship when it was clearly cheating. Glad you told him to leave though.

MsDogLady · 10/10/2022 17:16

April, you tried to safeguard your marriage, but your manipulative H was only interested in protecting his affair. He’s now downplaying his faithless behavior when he clearly cheated emotionally, physically and sexually. I daresay he would go ballistic if you did the same.

He gaslighted you when you set a boundary in June, and then proceeded to escalate the affair. His continuing to message OW after Dday meant his infidelity had not stopped. These two cannot be platonic friends.

It’s telling that after all he’s done to betray you and trash your marriage and family, he only felt remorse after OW confessed to her H, which showed him in a bad light. That suggests he was feeling sad for himself only.

April, he’s still trying to manipulate and control you with his minimizing and accusation of overreacting. He’ll never be a safe partner until he takes full responsibility for his infidelity/disloyalty and works to examine why he pursued illicit validation (via solo counseling; reading Not Just Friends and other resources on infidelity; Wayward forum on Surviving Infidelity site, etc.). He must also go NC with OW except for crucial in-work communication, provide open access to all devices/statements, and willingly answer all your questions. He needs to change jobs if at all possible.

The trouble is, he will again seek out inappropriate relationships until he is motivated to protect his fidelity. As things stand now, he is a very bad bet for successful reconciliation.

ArtemisFlop · 11/10/2022 21:04

Sorry you're going through this OP.

Toomanysleepycats · 11/10/2022 21:44

I agree with the other posters. Pay no attention to him saying you are over reacting, he would say that anyway. Of course he is trying to minimise his actions, and he probably doesn’t even think you are over reacting, he is just hoping he can convince you that you are.

You sound very calm and measured, I’m sure what ever you do next will be right for you. Just ignore anything he says - he’ll be lying.

Think of it as a two act play. First act was about him and this other woman, you weren’t even on the stage.

Second act, it’s just you and your kids. You decide the script.

Aquamarine1029 · 11/10/2022 21:48

He doesn't see it as an affair.

Oh really? How convenient for him.

Divorce this fuckwit. He has no remorse, couldn't care less about how this has impacted you, and he'll definitely do it again.

Silvercurtains · 11/10/2022 22:06

I bet this affair isn’t the only time he’s dismissed your feelings. People caught cheating, who are genuinely remorseful, will stop all contact with their affair partner - including changing jobs if necessary. The fact he continued to message her and still works with her shows he either a: doesn’t think you’ll end your marriage no matter what he does or b: that he doesn’t really care if you do end the marriage because any contact with her is prioritised over you. He’s not genuinely sorry which means if you stay with him, he’ll do it again with her or someone else. It’ll only be a matter of time. I’m sorry you’re going through this.

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