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DP's alcoholic toxic ex

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pleasecanthisnothappenagain · 24/09/2022 14:42

My P and I are mid-40s, both divorced, both have young children. We have been together four years, see each other one weeknight a week and together at the weekend with our DCs, who are the same age and get on very well.

P's exW has struggled with drug and alcohol addiction most of her life. These issues were the reason they divorced (he used to say "there was always something she loved more than me") and why he has majority custody of the DC and she has lived with an on and off boyfriend throughout the time they have been apart (who also drinks.)

I don't know how to describe it, but her spectre still lingers over our relationship. I have met her parents, his parents and lots of people who know her, and all are of the belief that she was a "brilliant person" who has become "tragic." There is quite a romantic attachment to the concept of who she is and what she could have been. Sort of like a Marilyn Monroe or Amy Winehouse "legendary" quality or a heroine of a tragic novel.

When she is not around and we are getting on with our lives, everything is fine and she barely comes up. But when she is around, as she naturally is, as she's the mother of his children, it's like living through a hurricaine for me.

For eg, she spends most of the day very drunk. This has become something that I now expect and I expect my interactions with her to be ones where she is not making sense, or falling over, or offensive or chatting up strange men, or sitting on a pavement in the middle of a busy road and holding up traffic. Everything she does is steeped in drama. However DP still gets very upset when this happens and responds like it is happening for the first time. Lots of hand wringing, and "why does she have to be like this?" He wants to talk about it for hours after we've seen her and the way it makes him feel. But he doesn't want to do anything about it.

We have, together, carried her home and undressed her and put her in bed several times. She was fired from her job ages ago and DP has taken up additional financial responsibility because of this and pays for things for her. She has sought help for addiction several times (court ordered) but has not been successful yet. She goes off grid for periods of time and then re-emerges. SOmetimes we see her in the street and she does not recognise us. There was one time we were walking with DPs DC and she did not recognise her own children.

Sometimes when she is really bad she will be quite abusive to me and openly jealous. For eg two weekends ago when she came to see her DC at my house, she was drunk, sitting in a corner and looking at me as I cooked lunch for all of us yelling "Little Miss Perfect. You think you're so perfect don't you? Got your perfect life, perfect kids - my husband." Honestly, it is like a pantomime. She is like a teenager. When I ask her questions about her life or how she's feeling, or show an interest in her, she laughs in my face or yawns. Or pretends she doesn't hear me, beckons me closer, and if I speak closer to her, wafts her hand in front of her nose like I have bad breath.

I cannot establish any boundaries with her until the family (DPs parents, his DC, DP himself) establish boundaries. But they don't. They just regard her and treat her like some tragic figure who needs to be tolerated and accepted and loved.

I had a mother like this. And I know this is why it is so triggering for me. A mother who was so toxic and drunk, that histrionic, publicly flamboyant and dramatic and (strangely sexual and appealing?) to everyone she met, and everyone around me was telling me that it was normal and okay and that I should love her and accept it, despite the fact she was quite neglectful and awfully abusive a lot of the time. She was very beautiful and sort of "heroine chic." My father was completely addicted and co-dependent to it. I felt betrayed a few times when I opened up to him about how she made me feel, and he told her. And she'd attack me for it.

I say the above ^^ because I am getting confused between my past and my current situation. I am extremely triggered by her presence. I feel like a little girl again who is having to deal with my mother. Except I am somehow now openly competing for my father's attention. There is a gut feeling I have that DP is still obsessed with her. He insists that this is my past talking (my mother creating competition between her and I for my father's attention) but I just don't know anymore.

We have two days coming up (On Monday) where we are all (including her parents) staying at DP's parents house (its' a big house in the country.) The last time this happened, she was so upset and so bad, she tried to insist that DP and I not share a bed together, because it hurt her too much. I am getting a lot of anxiety even thinking about it and trying to resist reassurance seeking from DP. But I feel I am about to boil over.

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Aladywhohasnoname · 24/09/2022 15:31

Oh Op this sounds so hard.
I have been through something similar and I have PTSD from dealing with it.
Please ask yourself, do you genuinely want this in your life because she is not going to go away or get better any time soon. Is this the life you want? I wish I had seriously given it some thought before going ahead in my relationship, blindly thinking it would get better. I love my DH dearly but if I could go back I would not put myself through it again.
Is your partner looking after your needs too? Sounds like you are the one supporting everyone.
Good luck with what ever you decide but please look after yourself and don’t lose yourself in this. x

Aladywhohasnoname · 24/09/2022 15:38

Also I would not be going away on holidays with her and her parents.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 24/09/2022 16:23

Absolutely do not go away with them!

It all sounds absolutely horrendous for everyone involved. I have empathy for her, I'm a recovering alcoholic myself; she is suffering, and very unwell.

But you cannot continue to be hostage to her disease. You MUST put yourself first now in a way that your parents should have but didn't.

Your DP is playing the same role of enabler that your father did to your mother. He is deeply codependent, he is exposing his children to this and risking them growing up equally codependent or, worse, addicts themselves. He is not teaching them to value themselves. He is teaching them that the addict must be rescued/placated at all costs.

I do not think you are ever going to open his eyes to the reality of the situation so all you can do is protect yourself and your children.

I would personally pull right back from this relationship and take it back to only seeing him when she is not present. Do not get involved in any of the drama. Do not interact with his family beyond the basics - they all sound hugely enmeshed and enabling too.

Al-Anon provide support for the loved ones of alcoholics/addicts and I would strongly suggest you try going to one of their zoom Meetings for your own sake.

I would suggest he goes but sadly I think that would fall on deaf ears.

Maytodecember · 24/09/2022 18:37

Bloody hell, this is ridiculous.
Your DP needs to step up and take control. He should not be financing anything for her —- he may as well just order vodka by the crate and get it delivered to her.
There should be a firm access arrangement in place and if she doesn’t turn up, tough.
You and DP are NOT responsible for her and shouldn’t be picking her up, putting her to bed etc.
An addict can only cure themself, they have to take responsibility for their actions and by doing everything you’re both doing you are enabling her addictions ( I mean you in the plural — your DP, her parents etc..)
The weekend together is the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard of, a recipe for disaster and it will affect you, your relationship with your DP and her children.

Please seek help from AlAnon, for yourself and DP, to help him see this situation as it really is and not how he wants it to be.

pastypirate · 24/09/2022 21:09

There's no excuse for allowing her around the children when she is under the influence. She should not be having contact with the children in the family home as she is attending under the influence. Not ever.
Obviously the rest sounds horrendous but this really stood out for me.

  1. Your dp needs to tell her this won't be happening.
  2. He might need to start court proceedings to stop it.
  3. As the main caree he is not acting protectively.
Quitelikeit · 24/09/2022 22:56

Wow I thought I’d heard it all!

why oh why do you subject yourself and your children to this woman’s existence?

this is not a normal situation at all

this woman and her parents should not be existing in your world

by allowing her children to witness this harmful behaviour they are highly likely to be very damaged adults!

you are all complicit in enabling her behaviour- paying for her? How bizarre. If he continues to fund her life why should she change? She has no reason to

im appalled that a court has granted this woman access to her children. And shocked that you freely expose your children to her

your mother is tied into this - you know why, because most people would run a mile from this person but the fact you had a mother like her has sort of normalised the situation for you.

it’s toxic and dysfunctional. Run

pleasecanthisnothappenagain · 24/09/2022 23:33

I really needed to hear all of this. Thank you.

My DC are obviously fine. but his? I don’t know. How can they walk about our community and see their mother and have her not recognise them? And have their father and their grandparents normalise that?

i don’t know what to do.

I have so much love and care to give, but him, and his parents and her parents are so transfixed by her histrionics. She was an oxbridge grad, a barrister, brilliantly intelligent. I live in the shadow of this belief that she was “so brilliant that she imploded.” I don’t even know what that means. It’s very hard living up to something that it is impossible to imagine given what she is now.

I have never had a proper conversation with her. She arrives like a hurricane in every situation. Always escorted out of bars or chucked out of clubs, with a man she needs to be rescued from or with mascara steaming down her face from crying.

I feel so fucked up and confused. My mum
was exactly the same. All it did was draw people to her. Please tell me there is a world in which this dynamic does not exist?

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pleasecanthisnothappenagain · 24/09/2022 23:34

I mean a world in which this is not protected and applauded and held up as some
kind of tragic heroine.

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Babymamamama · 24/09/2022 23:39

That sounds super awful. In your shoes I’d seriously be considering leaving the partner as he and his family seem unable or unwilling to establish any healthy boundaries. I couldn’t live as you do I’m sorry to say that. Especially with how triggering this obviously is to you from your past. Start saying no to things that are clearly going to make you uncomfortable. You are important and you deserve better than this.

PoppyGG · 25/09/2022 02:26

I'm sorry but I agree with Babymamamama - I think you're setting yourself up for a great deal of pain. I was a volunteer for some years with a group that supported the families of addicts - the havoc many of them wreaked on their loved ones was overwhelming!

Your partner is quite obviously obsessed with his ex. He expects you to support him every time he rescues her from herself, then spends hours wittering on about his feelings like the hero of some dramatic romantic tragedy. In a way you've been groomed into becoming the enabler's enabler. He has also been dismissive of how triggering this situation is for you. Why are you resisting seeking reassurance from your DP - shouldn't he want to reassure you?

This is also a man who expects you to help and support a woman who is horrible to you. Does he ever defend you from her insults? Do you think it is healthy for your DC to look on while you are subjected to insults from someone who seems to suffer no consequences for her actions?

Have you ever considered what would happen if the ex manages to beat her addictions, even if temporarily, and becomes 'brilliant' again? Do you think your DP would be able to resist going back to her? Or what if she dies - are you ready to be his silent support while he wastes his life, and yours, mourning his great tragic love? Please believe me when I say I am not trying to be cruel. But I've seen firsthand how totally selfish many addicts are, and how many other lives they ruin along with theirs.

I think this situation is causing you a great deal of heartache which your DP wants to ignore. You are being made to feel second best once again. I believe you deserve much, much better. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

MadMadMadamMim · 25/09/2022 03:34

I think you've been more than tolerant. I'd have said bluntly, "There is nothing brilliant about being an alcoholic. She clearly thrives on the chaos, but she's nothing to do with me or my children and I will not be enabling her. The entire situation is ridiculous"

I'd not go on holiday if she was there - WHY is she there? And her parents? He can take his kids if he likes. Me and mine would not be going. She would not be entering my home again. My brother is an alcoholic and it's tiresome having to spend time with someone utterly wrapped up in their own drunken self pity and drama.

Hollywolly1 · 25/09/2022 07:51

I actually think its a shocking sad situation altogether. The op's partner is understandably trying to look out for his ex wife because remember she is the mother of their young children and he feels the need to do that and thats his choice.The lady is an alcoholic and obviously very sick.I am trying to understand why the op is on here all upset because op you can just walk away from all of this .

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