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I need to leave, don’t I?

19 replies

MurkyGloom · 07/09/2022 06:25

I’ve been with my husband for a decade, married for 5 years. We have a 2yr old together. We had a long engagement because our lives were in flux. We moved abroad, moved back, changed careers, etc. From my perspective, very valid reasons for having a 2yr engagement. From my husband’s perspective, it was me just not wanting to commit.

A year into our engagement, we had booked the venue, etc. Planning was underway. My father was diagnosed with cancer. This was a huge blow to me because I come from a small but close family. I moved hours away to Uni and stayed away, but visited regularly. My now husband was fine with this. I did the vast, vast majority of wedding planning. I kept a spreadsheet of everything that was done and had to be done. The issues really started around then. Every evening, we would sit down and I would have to give a progress update. We started at item 1 (set date) and worked our way through the 200+ items on the list. Every single day. I organised everything. My now husband couldn’t even buy himself socks for the day without me there. This meant that instead of visiting my unwell father, I spent weekends doing stupid stuff like looking at socks and hours and hours over multiple days looking at shoes for my husband. The stress of it all was awful. He became different, started going through my phone and questioning me every time that I made or received a phone call, message or email. I bitterly regret not walking away then.

We got married and the next year was absolute hell. My dad was given the all clear but my husband suddenly changed completely. He got very nasty about my family, insisting that I saw them once every six weeks at most. We were living close to his family but in a place where I knew nobody else. I had to account for every penny that I spent and everything that I did. I traveled a lot for work (not overnight, just early starts and late finishes due to distance). He would rage all night so I couldn’t sleep. He would lock me out of the house or if we were in the car together, he would scream and shout at me. I was completely isolated. I was so ashamed of myself for marrying him. He’s such a charming person to other people.

I refused to buy a house with him because I just didn’t want to commit to anything. I was finally making progress on leaving when lockdown happened. I was pregnant at the time, unfortunately. He turned into the nicest person in the world. He was like how he used to be. I inherited a house near my parents, so because we are both working remotely, he convinced me to move into that house.

My mother has since been diagnosed with cancer. We haven’t been told that it’s terminal, but none of the treatment has worked and the cancer is spreading rapidly. I see her daily now, because she’s really not got long. It’s very obvious. My husband wants to move hours away to his parent’s village. He wants to sell this house and move now, because he’s far from everything and he’s so unhappy. I honestly don’t sleep much anyway these days, but he wakes me at night to tell me how unhappy he is. I’m not budging this time. He says that he knows that I’m sad about my mother but we need to move now.

I know that if we did go, he would stop me from visiting her. I also know that I absolutely despise him. The issue is, he will not leave. He refuses to spilt up. He says that if he does go, he’s taking our child with him. He has nowhere to go but back to his elderly parents, who will not welcome him because they are not close and they are all about their high standing in the community. A broken marriage would reflect badly on them. He knows this, so he’s just digging in and making my life living hell. He won’t stop until he gets what he wants. I’m so exhausted and broken. If I address any of this with him, he tells me that it’s not how any of it happened and that my mental health is really bad and I need help. I probably do need help, but I believe it’s because my husband is a controlling and abusive man.

Any advice on how to get him out or away? He controls absolutely everything. He’s got the new, big family car. I have a 15yr old Toyota Aygo, so I can’t even really manage anything more than a quick outing with our toddler without his car… just another example of control. We have close to 80k in ‘joint’ savings, so money really isn’t an issue.

OP posts:
oopsfellover · 07/09/2022 06:30

Sorry you’re going through all this OP. People will be along with good advice I’m sure but to answer your title, yes I think you do need to leave. There must be a better life for you than this.

Billybagpuss · 07/09/2022 06:34

So the house you’re living in is in your own name as it was inherited?

There will be plenty of more knowledgeable people than me on here but I think you need proper legal advice. Find the best family solicitor you can find. In the background quietly start lining up your ducks copies of pensions bank statements etc. I also think you have to stay in the house don’t give him that advantage.

Don’t worry about him threatening to take dc from my years on mn they all threaten that to keep you in your place the reality is would he actually want to. Is he really a full time hands on kinda parent?

good luck.

frazzledasarock · 07/09/2022 06:35

Go to a solicitor get legal advice. Find the best scariest solicitor you can. Ask about an occupation order, a non molestation order and a prohibited steps order as he has threatened to take your child.
Call womens aid for advice, call rights of women.

When starting divorce
move the savings (every last penny into your own name). This prevents him from spending it all when you start divorce proceedings. You can split it half or whatever if necessary during divorce proceedings and told to do so through court during divorce.

ensure you have bank accounts in your sole name.

ensure your salary is paid into an account only you have access to.

ensure child benefit is in your name.

I’d start divorce proceedings sooner rather than later, as it’s easier on children to adapt. And you have more chance of financially walking away with more of your house than if you were in a long marriage.

frazzledasarock · 07/09/2022 06:39

Freeze joint bank accounts once you decide to start divorce proceedings. If you can Keith Barclays make sure you call and write to them to freeze accounts as they don’t freeze accounts even when they say they do.

this will prevent either party from over spending using joint money or driving the shared accounts into debt.

UserError012345 · 07/09/2022 06:47

So he got you & then changed. It happened to me. He's trying to isolate you. Spend time with your mum. Let him move if he wants to.

crystalize · 07/09/2022 07:49

I felt suffocated just from reading your post. Sorry you are going through this absolute torture. He is extremely controlling and abusive. Waking you deliberately is like a form of torture - keeping you exhausted and weak, no wonder you feel broken. But that is what he wants.

He is pure evil and you need him gone asap. So what if he refuses to split? You certainly don't need his permission. Take the advice of Frazzledasarock above and get the ball rolling. No more discussions with him, just get things going quietly. You really should speak to Womens Aid and start taking steps to get this monster away from you. He shouldn't be in your bedroom if he's keeping you awake at night. I also think he could get really nasty when he knows you are ending the marriage. Do not hesitate to call the police.

KangarooKenny · 07/09/2022 08:00

When you’re ready to go, take half of your joint savings.
Do you have your wage and child benefit paid into your own account ?
Does your child have a passport ? If yes, hide it.

Tangelablue · 07/09/2022 08:06

Call the national centre for domestic violence they can support and advise you on an occupation order. Womens aid will be able to advise you on your safety and offer emotional support. He won't make this easy but it will be so worth it for you and your daughter.

ijustcouldntthinkofausername · 07/09/2022 08:18

Do not let him take you away from the little time you have left with your mum.
Get things in order in the background. Get yourself stronger and then leave him

Noggiepie92 · 07/09/2022 08:34

OP this breaks my heart to read. You deserve way better than this treatment especially at such a tough point in your life.
Definitely get a solicitor and get the ball rolling for divorce.
I hate to say it but if things do get scary at home, do not be afraid to call the police and they will remove him from the property if he kicks off- do not tolerate his bad behaviour, you deserve much more than this 💕

justaladyLOL · 07/09/2022 08:44

Yes you do

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 07/09/2022 08:48

You are strong - you’re standing up to him now and resisting some of his control.

I don’t have legal advice, but if you have money and you are prepared to leave the family home (even temporarily) then you have a lot of power.

I echo what’s been said above - gather all your financial information (savings, home value, pensions, incomes); speak to the domestic violence people and speak to a solicitor.

Do you think he will be physically violent? My XDH was controlling but I didn't think would be violent, and he wasn’t. So once I’d made that decision to leave, with hindsight I was over the worst. It wasn’t pretty but it was no worse than living under his control.

IsJohnReadyToMakeAComeback · 07/09/2022 08:52

Absolutely you do. Get your child out of this situation.

Police??

PhDmum22 · 07/09/2022 08:55

It sounds like you don't have any privacy in money - I didn't either, and when I opened a small savings account (I only managed to get £29 in there) he mocked me endlessly, wouldn't stop going on about it.
When I finally decided to leave, I opened a new account at a separate bank without telling him, so when the shit hit the fan I had somewhere safe to put money. I wasn't fast enough unfortunately, he took everything he could and let the joint accounts go overdrawn. I worked separately to my main fulltime job too, but when that pay check came in (for personal work I'd done after we'd split) he instantly took that too.

Definitely open a new secret account and send the child benefit there instantly. Take half the savings and move it into your account instantly too.
Go and see a solicitor secretly when he thinks you're at work and open a conversation. Just think, you and your child could be free of him and even entirely divorced in a few months, how good would that feel for 2023?

It's the hardest thing I ever did, especially trying to explain to everyone who thought he was great, not a manipulative bastard, but I'm out the other side and just wish I'd done it long ago.

My children are thriving, absolutely thriving. He said he'd take them, but they go EOW and that's that, I stick to that like glue.

Good luck, my friend. You have a lot of years left to live, they don't have to be on eggshells. You can feel free.

unicormb · 07/09/2022 08:58

Just the fact that he won't let you sleep is abuse in itself. And that's one of many things you've mentioned. You absolutely have grounds to involve the police.

CousinKrispy · 07/09/2022 09:14

Yes, you do need to leave. And it's good that you see that.

Call Women's Aid and get all the support you can from them.

Get a solicitor and start working on the legal position.

Those two can advise you on what practical steps to take.

My advice is more about the touchy-feely stuff, which is also important. Don't beat yourself up for not having left before. Lots of us have been there; it is very hard to leave these kinds of relationships because that's their nature. Many people don't understand that!

Read up on FOG (fear, obligation, and guilt) based relationships so you can get yourself out of that mindset. Try not to dwell on those FOG feelings, that's how he keeps you trapped. Try not to dwell on regrets about the past or hopelessness. Focus instead about how much better your life is going to be when you don't have to dance to his tune all the time.

He's not going to take your child away. Legally he cannot do that. You will likely have to agree to support your child's continuing relationship with him, and in the long run that may be best for your child ... but this "I'm leaving and taking our child" bullshit is just hot air.

The "you're just mentally ill" line is also entirely typical and is also hot air. Yep, you're probably in a bad state by now, I remember what it was like. But it's probably because you're living with a controlling shithead and it will improve dramatically when you get away from him. However, individual counseling for yourself isn't a bad idea (I did individual counseling through Relate for a while), as long as you find someone who has a clue about coercive control and domestic abuse. Don't be afraid to ditch a counselor if it doesn't feel right to you.

Don't bother trying to explain things to him, or get him to understand your POV. He probably can't and you are never going to change him. Focus on yourself and your child and of course your mum (I'm very sorry about your mum and dad BTW). When your plans are ready, just have a few key phrases that you repeat to him over and over again, e.g. "This isn't working and I don't want to be married to you any longer," I'd suggest taking advice from Women's Aid and your solicitor about the specifics, and what you should do about your housing etc.

Have you got family and friends IRL you can talk to about this? I found that helped a lot.

You can do it. You are incredibly strong to have borne up under so much already. Good luck!

jalapenita · 07/09/2022 09:14

He won't take the child he is threatening you. He doesn't even have a place to stay himself let alone the child's. I'm not saying don't take his threats seriously - hide your child's passport, but don't let his threats stop you from leaving this abuse.

CousinKrispy · 07/09/2022 09:20

p.s. you probably already know this, but don't do joint counselling with him under any circumstances. Hem and haw vaguely, or straight-up lie, if you need to about how you need to improve your own MH first and will do joint counselling afterwards ... but don't actually bother doing counselling with him. It will just be another opportunity for him to manipulate and hurt you. You don't have to do it just because he demands it.

jsku · 07/09/2022 09:49

For starters - there is no way he will be able to just ‘take’ your child and move to another part of the country. It’s not legal and no court will slow it.

Secondly - the only way forward for you is filing for divorce. Once you set it in motion - it will eventually free you from him.
Do get legal advice. It may be possible to still have the courts consider this as a short marriage - 5 years. And in they case you may be able to keep the house you have inherited and not have to sell it.
If in the earlier years of your relationship you didn’t live together continuously - it may not be added to the ‘marriage’.

I wouldn’t wait any longer in your place - as the longer you stay, the harder it will be to claim this. And, that is just the financial bit.
Impact on your MH, and your son seeing the way he treats you - are reasons enough for acting now.

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