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Initiating Contact

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BigEnergy · 06/09/2022 12:21

Hi I'm just trying to sort my head out about my current dating situation, would appreciate some outside perspective!

I matched with a guy on OLD end of July and had great connection right away. He wasn't very chatty before the date which was fine by me, he said he preferred to talk in person rather than message lots. That was a nice change from the guys who match, then just chat on and on with no date plans. However I've seen him on average twice a week since then and still he's not particularly good at initiating text contact. He'll happily reply with a bit of an update if I text him, but doesn't often spontaneously get in touch with me. We've not had an explicit chat saying if we are exclusive, a couple, just dating etc, but he said early on he's not seeing anyone else and I recently told him I'm not chatting with any other guys on the apps. We are both very busy so don't really have time for multi dating anyway, yet haven't really defined or labelled what we are or if this is something with potential for a serious relationship.

He's a very quiet and reserved person, whereas I am much more outgoing, chatty and so on, so we do have very different communication styles. Usually I'd just text him to make plans whenever I get some dc free time but I've noticed it's been me doing that a lot lately. We have talked about this generally, I said when I was first dating back in the 00s women were often advised to let men chase a bit but in our situation I feel I'm pursuing him more, and did that bother him. He said he feels dating is different these days and that in the early days of us meeting he felt he was definitely the pursuer (he was but only for the first few dates) and that he likes that it's more equal now as we are progressing. Also that because of my situation with dc and childcare it makes sense for me to let him know my availability, rather than him asking and putting pressure on me. I do see his points there, but I also would appreciate a bit of contact from him rather than it always being me and wondered if it was a bit of a cop out, or if I'm getting in my head and need to chill out!

When I last saw him (Thurs) he mentioned an activity and I said 'so when are you taking me to do that' and he gave a vague reply about looking into where we could do it. No fixed plan or date. I am very direct and don't really like game-playing, so usually just text him about plans without overthinking it, but now I've noticed the pattern of text contact I'm more hesitant. I feel like if he's doing a slow fade or just not that into me, I'd rather protect myself and stop investing in him.

Yesterday I texted and asked him out for today as we both have a day off, and let him know the times I'd be free, but he replied saying he has something to do. The thing he's doing doesn't take the full day but I understand he's got stuff on and one day off after a block of night shifts and may just want the day to himself/space. But neither of us know when our next free time lines up. There was no suggestion from him for any other dates. He knows I'm away on Sat night but back Sunday, however hasn't mentioned if he's free or working, or asked me if my dc are with their dad or asked to meet up. Surely if a guy was really interested he'd be locking the next date down? So do I stop initiating or just do what I'd normally do, with me texting him being direct asking about plans for Sunday? It's confusing to me because when we are together in person he seems so completely into me and super interested, but then just nothing in between.

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AryaStarkWolf · 06/09/2022 12:25

hhhhmmmm I'd back off a bit and see if he does contact you, he doesn't sound enthusiastic enough for someone at the start of a relationship imo

DatingDinosaur · 06/09/2022 12:44

What’s stopping him messaging “hey, fancy doing, x/y/z? When are you free?” rather than waiting for you to publish your availability?

He sounds a potential lazy-bones. He made a bit of effort for a few weeks to snare you. Now you’ve got to maintain it for …. Ever????

oneproudmumma · 06/09/2022 12:56

When a guy likes you - REALLY likes you - there is no doubt.

With the right guy you will never be "confused".

I mean, maybe he is into you and just is rubbish at communicating but do you really have time for this second guessing his feelings?

Stop texting him. If he likes you that much he will initiate contact because he won't be able to deal with the thought of not seeing you. If he doesn't contact you, you have your answer and move on Smile

RandomMusings7 · 06/09/2022 13:08

I'm sorry, it doesn't sound like he matches your level of investment and interest. Sounds more like he's happy to date you until something more exciting comes along.

In my experience, men who are genuinely interested in you never put you in a position to pursue then and repeatedly be the one to initiate contact and dates. They are the ones actively pushing things forward. But this dude is just being dragged along.

I would move on and find a better match.

Watchkeys · 06/09/2022 13:14

He's not meeting your needs. It doesn't matter what his reasons are. You've only known each other a month or so, and you're already confused and sounding disheartened. Find someone who makes sense to you. Clearly not this guy.

BigEnergy · 06/09/2022 13:18

DatingDinosaur · 06/09/2022 12:44

What’s stopping him messaging “hey, fancy doing, x/y/z? When are you free?” rather than waiting for you to publish your availability?

He sounds a potential lazy-bones. He made a bit of effort for a few weeks to snare you. Now you’ve got to maintain it for …. Ever????

He has messaged a few times to ask about dates but not recently, so there's nothing stopping him. Only 2 weeks ago he'd asked out of the blue to take me to a beautiful hotel but I wasn't free the same night he was, it's not been mentioned again and he's not suggested anything since that, instead it's been me suggesting.

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BigEnergy · 06/09/2022 13:20

Thanks @AryaStarkWolf and @oneproudmumma it's weird for me to back off and not text as that feels like game playing and it's just not what I'm like at all, once I get an idea in my head and a bit of free time I like to just text and go for it! But I agree, I'd like to see a bit more enthusiasm so will back off. I certainly didn't have any doubts about our situation until this past week when it seems something has changed a bit.

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BigEnergy · 06/09/2022 13:25

Thank you @RandomMusings7 and @Watchkeys this is why I needed some perspective! In all honesty I have been OLD just for fun and was definitely not looking for anything serious, so me getting invested in him so quickly has taken me by surprise. Up until this past week I had started to reconsider my dating position and wonder if this could be the start of something a bit more special, but I'll just watch and wait for now and put the idea of this going anywhere out of my head unless I see him regularly step up properly.

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Namechange85 · 06/09/2022 16:58

@BigEnergy I feel your pain!
I could have written your post myself in all honesty.
We met start of June, it's been like pulling teeth trying to arrange dates. We both have DC and I have mine 99% of the time so I think he just waits for me to suggest dates when I'm free.
So I do and then he usually can't make it. At the beginning he'd come up with alternatives.

He suggested a city break abroad last month for sept/oct. I was absolutely over the moon, it's never been mentioned again!

I don't like playing games either at my age and feel like he's just not into me as much as I am into him. We spoke last week and I said it feels one sided but he didn't agree. He's yet to prove it though.

I'm falling for him and would rather put an end to it now as my gut tells me I'm doing way too much chasing. I suggested ending it last week and he didn't want to....yet I'm still the one suggesting dates.

It's exhausting isn't it!

BigEnergy · 06/09/2022 17:22

@Namechange85 I hope you can work things out! My ex H was a bit like this, I'd want to do something like a mini break, then he'd do nothing, so I'd do all the organising and planning. If I didn't take the bull by the horns nothing got done. So I'm wary of falling into the same trap, even though I'm very used to being pro-active and it's unnatural to me to take a step back. Dating should be fun, not exhausting for you! With dc it's tricky juggling it all, and I know my guy is quite conscious of that. Early on he said to me 'I want to make life fun for you not add to your load' which I found very thoughtful. But if our communication styles don't match up then that just spells harder work for me which I'm definitely not up for. Maybe you'll be able to sort it better with your partner.

Weirdly mine texted me just before to wish me luck with a work event I have on. Very thoughtful and at least I know he pays attention to things I've said, but at the same time I'm mindful that it was just literally a sentence saying good luck, no questions, not opening any conversation. Perhaps he assumes I'll be too busy to get into a chat. I'll still quietly watch and wait and see what happens beyond this though.

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Namechange85 · 06/09/2022 23:05

@BigEnergy my gut feeling is that it will fizzle out for us. I really don't want that to happen but like you, I am very aware of being the one to organise and chase. I read back through our early messages and he was definitely doing the chasing at that point.
He loves planning trips and holidays, the problem is he's planning them for his family and kids which is lovely. But no future plans with me in them at this point!
Maybe I'm expecting too much. Do you think if you sit back your guy will be a bit more forthcoming?

BigEnergy · 07/09/2022 13:46

@Namechange85 I hope he will step up because on paper he's a great guy in every other way, literally no red flags at all which is a first for me during this dating experience! I didn't reply to his good luck text last night and had another follow up text off him this morning will lots of questions. Maybe he reads Mumsnet! He's still not asking about my availability or suggesting dates though, so I'll reply to answer his questions at some point but I'm not doing any more chasing/suggesting dates until I've seen more from him. I hope yours can get more proactive and it doesn't fizzle out.

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Namechange85 · 07/09/2022 18:39

@BigEnergy I admire your willpower in not replying to the good luck message! Your lack of response seems to have done the trick if he's messaged back with questions...maybe that is the way to go!
He'd offered to book some time off work one night next week so we can do something and I'll stay over for the first time. I was so excited then he said he won't know if he can until next week now....honestly nothing is straight forward with him! I feel that may be a bit of a cop out so that he has the option to change his mind, but I hope I'm wrong 😞

Mumofnarnia · 07/09/2022 19:04

If it was me I wouldn’t keep contacting him. If he cannot be bothered to make the effort then neither would I. I’ve found that men who are generally interested in me have wanted to do all the chasing and initiating the contact. This guy seems too much like hard work to me and it would bore me silly.

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