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Please help me understand group bullying/ witch-hunt

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TryingToUnderstandThings · 30/08/2022 16:03

About eight years ago, I did a grad scheme with a big multi-national company. As part of this programme, I got to spent 6 months in one of the company's other offices. I was placed in a non-Western country where I didn't speak a word of the language. There were 10 others with me on this placement, from a variety of countries. What we had in common was that we all worked for the same company, spoke English, and were of similar ages.

At first, we all got on really well. We socialized every day outside of work, which was a godsend given that I couldn't speak the local language. However, slowly one person in the group (let's call him Rob) started becoming more and more domineering. For example, there was a bar that he didn't like, so he told us all that none of us were allowed to go there now. At work, Rob took the role of group leader, a responsibility that he took really seriously even though it was a minor role that just required him to e-mail our project manager with a weekly update.

About a month into the placement, Rob started making comments that I considered misogynistic and racist. I guess it's important to add here that Rob and myself are from very different countries and cultures, so his comments may not have been hugely offensive to him. At first, I didn't say anything, but then these comments became much more frequent and personal. He was paticulary nasty to the most timid woman in the group and would refer to her as every name under the sun and then laugh as she got upset.

Soon after, Rob turned on me. He sent me a tirade of written abuse about my home country, sex, appearance, and so on. I replied saying that it would be best if we no longer socialised as clearly our ethics were quite different.

After this, Rob started a witch-hunt against me. He told the rest of the group not to contact me/ socialize with me etc, which most of them complied with. At work, he wouldn't let me have my name on the important parts of the project, and he made sure I was given the most boring tasks to do.

I thought that the group would soon realise what he was doing, but they didn't. Rob love-bombed the men in the group and made it clear to the other women that they'd be bullied like me if they said anything.

Anyway, I disengaged from the group and spent my last few months of the placement just doing my own thing. Rob continued to harass me verbally. I just ignored him.

Fast forward eight years, and I no longer work for this company. I was contacted last week by one of the other women. She said that the group had recently had a virtual reunion. I hadn't been invited, but she said that she'd been thinking about me, and wondered how I was now doing. I haven't replied as I don't want any of these people in my life.

My life has turned out nicely. I have a lovely fiance, step son, job, and house. However, I do still hold some anger towards how I was treated. How can I get passed this?

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LemonDrop22 · 30/08/2022 16:27

I'm not accusing you of anything here bit how come you didn't report him esp as he put stuff in writing to the HR department of the company?

LemonDrop22 · 30/08/2022 16:30

Anyway - group dynamics and bullies are an interesting thing ... I always think about the case of the lying 9 11 survivors and relatives group, taken over - with original group leaders and members ousted in her favour. And all along she was a pathological lying fantadust and scammer.

People are very dumb, people are very scared of being left out, very scared of standing up to dominant people and being ostracised and excluded.

I have a theory it comes from millennia of evolving as animals in hierarchical groups dominated by lead males and females .... And the very real possibility that you and your offspring would be less likely to survive if you ended up excluded from the group , where the security and resources were (if not any moral decency or equality).

LemonDrop22 · 30/08/2022 16:31

*taken over by an interloper - with original group leaders and members ousted in her favour. And all along she was a pathological lying fantasist and scammer.

TryingToUnderstandThings · 30/08/2022 19:45

LemonDrop22 · 30/08/2022 16:27

I'm not accusing you of anything here bit how come you didn't report him esp as he put stuff in writing to the HR department of the company?

Well, the abuse he sent was initially through Facebook and then to my personal email after I blocked him on Facebook. Therefore, it was outside of the workplace. He was careful not to have any paper trail of abuse in office emails and the like. Company policy at the time basically said that they don't deal with social media stuff.

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GreengrocerFriend · 30/08/2022 20:56

Is the woman who contacted you nice? Do you think she understands what happened? Is it worth saying something to her?

BoviTraci · 30/08/2022 21:02

In my workplace we had an Alpha female bully . When she left it was shocking how people who were in her clique ghosted her , even a woman she went on holiday with dropped her as she was too much drama .

People who didn't speak as the bully used divide and rule began speaking to each other .

It's shocking how some people can have a huge hold over a group . She could be very charming too .

BigFatLiar · 30/08/2022 21:04

Ignore.

I was bullied at school. When I started working the office was all women and again I was bullied, it makes your life miserable and they know they're doing it.

I eentvon to have a good career and marriage, I did know what happened to many of them but I have always ignored them.

If she was one of the ones who bullied you don't invite her back into your life.

SimoneSimone · 30/08/2022 21:32

You are already past it with your nice life now. It's just one of those times in your past that wasn't great but its long ago now. Ups and downs. Or if you just can't let it go then you are going to have to track down Rob and carefully plan something very unpleasant for him. The dish nice and cold now.

catandcoffee · 30/08/2022 22:08

I'd just ignore her message OP.

She was part of Robs gang ?

Username3008 · 30/08/2022 23:06

It could be that this woman knew the way that Rob was treating you, or was treated like that herself, so she felt compelled to reach out.

Regardless, it was 8 years ago, you've moved on. Sounds like you're only thinking about it now because this woman contacting you has triggered the memories. It doesn't mean you haven't moved on from it. Memories will always be there somewhere.

Sounds like you have a lovely life now anyway so ignore the message and you'll have forgotten all about it again in a few weeks.

LemonDrop22 · 31/08/2022 11:28

TryingToUnderstandThings · 30/08/2022 19:45

Well, the abuse he sent was initially through Facebook and then to my personal email after I blocked him on Facebook. Therefore, it was outside of the workplace. He was careful not to have any paper trail of abuse in office emails and the like. Company policy at the time basically said that they don't deal with social media stuff.

That really doesn't seem right.

I'd still have pursued it but it's obviously long past now.

I'd probably ignore her.

She is probably, to give her the benefit of the doubt, someone who felt bad at the time/since then and wanted to reach out.

However there is the possibility she's a flying monkey type.

You're not interested in being matey with her so what's the point.

The dynamic is sadly very common and one of the the worst sides of human nature.

You've done well to get through it.

TheOriginalClownfish · 31/08/2022 12:35

The only consideration you need to make is if this woman seemed nice at the time, and if you want to resume a friendship with her. And if so, take it cautiously - you don't want to find out she contacted you out of nosiness after Rob and others bitched about you for whole reunion. She might be genuine, she might be as bad, so tread carefully.

wafflesandeggs · 31/08/2022 13:13

First, it sounds like he had some sort of mental health or personality disorder causing black and white thinking or splitting. If it wasn’t you, it would have been someone else. The fact that he excluded you from being around him actually did you a favour.

Second, most people are afraid to rock the boat and will blindly follow whatever their friends think without looking objectively at the outsider’s viewpoint. These people are stupid, spineless, and only care about their own skin and not being the one victimised.

Third, as someone already pointed out, there’s a chance this woman is a flying monkey. I recommend either ignoring her message completely or telling her in vague terms how amazing you are doing. In both cases, block and delete immediately after.

thenewduchessoflapland · 31/08/2022 14:35

Men like "Rob" don't change;If he's married I feel sorry for his wife who's likely to be a victim of coercive control and emotional&verbal abuse.I'm also betting he's not very popular with his family too.

Take comfort that your not a bigoted wanker like Rob.

rwalker · 31/08/2022 14:46

She’s reached out do I would reply just general stuff

and say you stepped away from the group due to robs behaviour no need for details chances are she’ll know

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 31/08/2022 16:07

This phenomenon is called Mobbing and is not uncommon. It is quite extreme psychological violence meted out to one in the group that the instigator is jealous of. You have done brilliantly to recover as well as you have. I would not be in touch with any of these people again. Bystanders may not have instigated but if they did not defend you they were therefore part of the mob. Enjoy your life OP, these bullies are losers.

TryingToUnderstandThings · 31/08/2022 22:09

GreengrocerFriend · 30/08/2022 20:56

Is the woman who contacted you nice? Do you think she understands what happened? Is it worth saying something to her?

She's alright. She definitely wasn't a bully herself and did sympathize with me in private at the time. She didn't say anything to Rob though.

For context, she will now be mid-30s.

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TryingToUnderstandThings · 31/08/2022 22:10

catandcoffee · 30/08/2022 22:08

I'd just ignore her message OP.

She was part of Robs gang ?

Yes, but I don't think she wanted to be. Rob made it clear that any woman who left the group would be ostracized like me, so she played along, and rolled her eyes when Rob wasn't looking.

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TryingToUnderstandThings · 31/08/2022 22:13

@LemonDrop22

I don't want to derail the thread or offend anyone, but this happened in a country/ culture where workplace bullying is the norm, or perhaps viewed differently from the UK.

But I do believe that the company's policy, even in London, was that social issues outside the workplace weren't to be brought into the office. It was very much frowned upon. And TBF, most of Rob's abuse was outside of the office.

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PacificState · 31/08/2022 22:18

I think your anger is entirely justified and I'm not sure you should get past it - it sounds as though you were the only person who behaved with integrity and stuck to your own values despite the cost. I suspect the woman reaching out to you is regretful she didn't do the same and admires the way you handled it.

There isn't some grand explanation for these situations I don't think. Some people are young and self-aggrandising and selfish; some people are weak and go along for a quiet life. People who say 'no, I don't like this and won't be a part of it, even if it means I'm stuck on my own' are very rare, especially when young.

You sound like you have a very solid and admirable sense of what's right. You're the winner of this situation by any definition. I think that might be the most closure you're going to get short of hiring a private operative to ruin Rob's life

limitededitionbarbie · 31/08/2022 23:33

Where is Rob now?

bjrce · 01/09/2022 13:39

I wouldn't contact her.

Based on what you said she knew exactly what was going on and didn't do anything about it.
That's worse in my opinion - looking out for herself.

She knew you weren't on the Virtual invite for the group.
I'll bet the others had a chat about you and "back in the day" she sounds like she has had a bit of remorse and is now fishing for information.

I wouldn't contact her or give her the time of day! She'll probably report back to "Robs group" They're all spineless. Ignore.

Sorry for what you went through.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 01/09/2022 13:52

Be careful of someone who might genuinely like you & not like Rob, but who will always defer to Rob rather than you.

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