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Clare's Law

25 replies

Justmeandme19 · 25/08/2022 14:34

I've applied for a Clare's Law after finding out my ex husband (father of both my young children). Has been in the town that I love in. Just for context there is a no contact order regarding him and the children. There is obviously a lot more to this story, but not really relevant.
So I put the request in 2 weeks ago and still not heard anything, I know the first stage is to confirm my identity (with in 10 days). But whole process takes 35 days. I have chased it up with the police who said that that's it's a busy time and will be processed in order of urgency. Eg probably would have heard back by now if they thought I and my children were at great risk.
I just feel as if I'm going to be fobbed off! Can anyone she's any light, or reassurance.

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Justmeandme19 · 25/08/2022 21:33

Anyone please, I'm feeling worried

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userxx · 25/08/2022 21:38

Sorry, I don't understand, I'm assuming he was abusive to you so why do you need to know his history ? I'm might be missing something here.

PonyPatter44 · 25/08/2022 21:46

Clares Law relates to disclosure early in a relationship, or straight after an act of violence. You already know that he is violent / dangerous, and you are not currently in a relationship. You are unlikely to be prioritised for a disclosure.

What are you hoping to find out about him?

mindutopia · 25/08/2022 21:55

Echoing others, a Clare’s law disclosure would be made to a current partner. So you could apply for it on behalf of his current partner. And the findings would only be disclosed to her (if he has a partner). But if you aren’t together or having contact, they won’t disclose anything to you.

If you are concerned about his behaviour due to past acts of abuse, then flag it with the police just in case. But if he’s currently leaving you alone, I’d let sleeping dogs lie, to be fair.

FlyingSaucerss · 25/08/2022 22:03

I read this earlier and also couldn’t understand why a clares law is relevant now? I’ve looked over your other threads and you already know he is abusive? Does he know where you live?

Justmeandme19 · 25/08/2022 22:46

Thanks for the replies.
He was never violent to me personally, others yes. I believe he's become more unstable and that he may be a greater risk to me and the children than I know. With out going into to much detail, I have been informed about some very concerning incidences.these incidences (if true) would show a real consern for me and my children.
I just want to know/have some idea of what kind of risk we are. It was actually the police who advised me to make an application for Clare's Law.

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FlyingSaucerss · 25/08/2022 23:00

He’s not currently having contact with you or your children?

Speedweed · 25/08/2022 23:10

So essentially you're trying to find out of the 'concerning things' have resulted in a conviction/ police involvement. But you already have a no contact order, so what would change if you found out the concerning things had resulted in legal proceedings?

Justmeandme19 · 25/08/2022 23:16

He's not meant to have contact with the children. But he's come looking for us as he went to the last address we lived at.
He does not know where we live but it would be easy to find.
He does how ever know where the kids go to school.
Also his homeless, came to the town I live in (he knows we live here). He was busking and singing in the town centre. The town is only small. Obviously he can busk where he likes but it does put a tramendious strain on us as a family as if he's busking in our home town we will bump into him.
Combind that with some of the things I've found out about him resently, it's scary. I had an appointment with the police and they suggested doing a Clare's law.

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Justmeandme19 · 25/08/2022 23:21

Speedweed
I was led to believe he had pulled a knife out on someone. I'm obviously hoping this is not true. But if it is and we are likely to see him in town i feel this is something I should know! . Not just for my safety but for my 2 children to. That is the main concern I have.

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Maytodecember · 25/08/2022 23:46

As there is a no contact order on him I think you’d be better off relying on this rather than waiting for possible disclosure’s under Clare’s Law.
I don’t know if him being in the same town is sufficient but going to your previous address seems to be an attempt to make contact. It would all depend on the wording of the order.
Could you go along to a police station ( if any are open near you) taking a copy of the order. Explain where your ex is and ask them if he’s breaking the conditions?
Obviously when the children return to school warn them that he must not be allowed into school, or speak to the children when they’re outside, through fence for example.

Justmeandme19 · 26/08/2022 08:22

MaytoDecember thanks for your message. I've been to the police regarding him looking for us . I've written to the school informing them. It was actually the police who advised me to get a Clare's law.
I'm well aware the Clare's law won't protect us, all it will do is provide me with the necessary info to be able to best protect the children. Eg how to respond if we see him. I just feel the more I know the more I'm able to protect myself and my children.

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beckycharlie · 26/08/2022 08:39

My Claire's law request took about 2 months to eventually come back (they were busy and a lot of staff illness) and I was told there's something on my ex's file but as I'm keeping my child safe away from him then they won't tell me what it is so just prepare for the possibility that you may find out nothing as frustrating as that is. Yours may be different as you've said he's been looking for you/children and mine just gave up very easily

Justmeandme19 · 28/08/2022 16:33

Becky Thank you for your reply. I'm aware I may not get a disclosure even if there is something to disclose.
I have had no contact from the police or anyone at all since I put my request in 16 days ago.
My understanding was that they make contact within 10 days to check your ID. But like I said I've heard nothing 😟.
The frastrating thing is there's no way if chasing it up as it's not actually the police who deal with it .
I hope life has treated you better since you applied for it.

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beckycharlie · 28/08/2022 17:21

That's very frustrating. I had a phone call within a couple of days to discuss why I thought I needed it and some other questions then had an email I believe to discuss taking in my id and then go over the stuff I'd already explained on the phone and that was quite quick but then the wait took forever to hear there was something there they wouldn't disclose as he now has no access to my child. It's annoying there's no number to contact to chase it up, maybe apply again if you don't hear something soon?

iamwhoim · 28/08/2022 17:39

I'm a single mom who just arrived in the US and I'd like to know a little bit about how the system works because I would like to move on my own with my child and I don't know how the system works about daycares, because he is only 2 years old and I start working in October. How can I do it? Should I ask work for privileges because of age or else!?

Thank you for your help

ThePumpkinPatch · 28/08/2022 17:45

iamwhoim · 28/08/2022 17:39

I'm a single mom who just arrived in the US and I'd like to know a little bit about how the system works because I would like to move on my own with my child and I don't know how the system works about daycares, because he is only 2 years old and I start working in October. How can I do it? Should I ask work for privileges because of age or else!?

Thank you for your help

You need to start your own thread

iamwhoim · 28/08/2022 17:46

Really sorry, it was just a mistake sending this message in this topic. I'm sorry🙏🏽

Justmeandme19 · 28/08/2022 18:07

Becky I've reached out to the police quite a few times over the years, the response has always been hit and miss.
I will send a message to my local police, RG the police man who recommended it. The sad thing about it is it makes you feel even more lonely. You're already in a rubbish situation and when you reach out you don't get any support.

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Trainham · 28/08/2022 19:08

Ask the police to tag your address so if he turns up and you dial ,999 they respond immediately.dont know if you can do that if you are out and about in town .
Set up a password with school so who ever collects the children has to give it before they are handed over .if you have photo of him maybe it give it to school even if a bit out of date so reception staff,class teacher so have a chance of recognising him.tell them to phone police if he turns up.
Do you trust a neighbor you can share with so they can keep an eye out and if they become suspicious they can phone police for you.
Make sure you have mobile charged and ready to use .if he follows you ring police..
Can you talk through safety procedures with your children about what to do if he approached then.i know you don't want to scare them but you could try general measures with them.

beckycharlie · 28/08/2022 19:16

Justmeandme19 · 28/08/2022 18:07

Becky I've reached out to the police quite a few times over the years, the response has always been hit and miss.
I will send a message to my local police, RG the police man who recommended it. The sad thing about it is it makes you feel even more lonely. You're already in a rubbish situation and when you reach out you don't get any support.

Yep I felt like I was an inconvenience to them when I had to keep chasing it up and also scared not knowing what my ex was capable of. Hope you get some answers soon.

Justmeandme19 · 28/08/2022 20:15

Train. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I have actually done all the things you suggest. I have marker on my house, I've emailed the school. But they already know there's a no contact order as they were involved in the legal proceedings and they have a copy of the court order.
My children have been told if they see him they can say hello but have to keep on walking. That they have to inform the adult caring for them, that they have seen him. They have been remarkably unfazed by it! It completely blew me away.
My neighbour knows and they have my number.
The children also do a lot of after school clubs, they have all been emailed. I have expressed what I want them to do to keep the children safe. Eg I've given them a safety plan.
I will also get CCTV if I need to, but I don't want to go down that route if I don't need to.
I'm thinking about taking some marshal arts course just so I feel a bit safer.
I'm not sure there's anything else I can do.

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Pinkbonbon · 28/08/2022 20:24

Tbf op if you've known him long enough to have kids with him then I'm sure you know whether or not he is capable of the things you've heard.

Unless he did them after you left him and you think he may be spiraling into some mental health crisis or other.

I think you already know he is dangerous though.
Listen to your instincts.
And the rumours.

Justmeandme19 · 28/08/2022 21:10

Pink. I think it's totally remarkable how someone can change. Yes having children with someone and being with them a long time can give you an indication, but I honestly don't recognise him. It would be very outing if I told the whole story on here. But it's totally and utterly bonkers and them some.!!
I think he has spiraled mentally, I suspect he's a lot more dangerous than when I know him. Cafcass etc had concerns for is mental health then.
Believe me it's a frightening place to be when your in the end of someone like this hating you. Esp when you're also responsible for protecting several children.

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PandemoniumPr · 28/08/2022 21:50

I can see why the police advised you to pursue Clare’s law. It might help clarify if he’s been up to any dangerous or questionable activities in more recent times. You’re just trying to increase your knowledge in current situation, right? And in turn this might help you get more assistance from police too if anything pops up or is necessary. I don’t know who you can contact to get an update but all you can do is be persistent.

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