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Isolated and confused in marriage

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icechocolate · 15/08/2022 17:37

DH and I have been living together and married for 16 years. We have 3 DC (one of whom has ASD).

Since the start I realised that we had very different ways of living. DH did no housework or cooking and has always worked part time (albeit in a well paid job). He has always been very low energy and prone to depression. He gets stressed very easily, from work situations, and also with things at home.

I gave up my job when the children were born. We both agreed that I would be a SAHM (in hindsight I wish I hadn’t). I worked on various contract jobs when the children were young but it was so stressful as DH just couldn’t cope at home – I would get back from work, the house would be a bombsite, the children watching TV late in the evening, no structure or homework and DH stressed and chaotic trying to cook something really simple in the kitchen. Our DS has ASD and it was very important for him to have a calm structured environment after school, and DH just couldn't provide it.

Having spent years and years crying, begging him to change and help me with the childcare, life admin and the house and garden, I feel exhausted. We have had individual and marriage counselling which helped a bit but then things go back to how they were.

We are currently in a house that needs a lot of renovation and decorating. DH works three days per week. On his days off he does his hobbies. There is little engagement with the children or I, although he does sometimes take the children out on a walk.

The children are now pre teens and teen, so need less help practically. However DH still does nothing in the house. The garden is very big and overgrown – he does not do anything there either. I plan all holidays, days out, life admin, house and garden care and maintenance, deal with all the emotional and practical care of the children. If anything goes wrong in the house eg the boiler breaks down, he gets very stressed and I have to always be the calm, clear headed one as he storms around panicking.

I feel that he is very half hearted about everything and has no zest for life. He often seems in his own world, thinking about his hobbies. When I used to ask him for help with the children or housework he would either say yes, but not do anything, or would get annoyed/angry. He has said in the past that all his energy is taken up by his job and he has very little energy for anything else. He puts a lot of energy into his hobbies, but I guess it's because he doesn’t find them stressful. He is 50 and is hoping to retire before he is 60 – he has always wanted a life with very little responsibility. I don’t think we will be able to pay our mortgage off, and he wants to downsize to a very small property in a cheap area.

How does anyone live like this? I just feel so lonely. When he is off work (four days each week plus holidays) and especially during the school holidays, I feel like a domestic servant. It's so demoralising to be doing housework and decorating while DH spends all day doing his hobbies. The children do have some jobs but to be honest it’s quite difficult to enforce it sometimes when they see DH doing nothing.

I have thought many times about separating. It’s so difficult though
– I honestly wouldn’t know where to start. He loves the children and they love him. I have no money of my own and no job. I am currently doing voluntary work with the aim of getting paid employment asap but I think I would only be looking at just above minimum wage. I am mid forties and have no pension.

It is complicated as we do still get on and have a laugh from time to time. We enjoy watching films together. I think if we weren't married I could have been a friend of his. However it’s very different sharing a life with someone!

I have ADHD and have had low self esteem all my life. I don’t know if I am expecting too much – if I ever used to bring any of this up he would get angry. He has said once or twice that he wishes he could do more but he doesn't have the energy. I know he is trying in his own way, but it doesn’t seem like he has much to give. I know all relationships involve compromise. I do very much appreciate that he brings in all the finances.

I think whatever happens I have to get a job and see how it goes. I don’t think he can change – I have changed in that I have stopped asking/expecting any help or teamwork, but I still feel sad and isolated. Thanks for reading if you have got this far!

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Snoopysimaginaryfriend · 15/08/2022 17:59

‘How does anyone live like this?’

They don’t and you don’t have to either.

Ask for this to be moved to the relationship board and they will give you practical advice on how to leave because you and your children deserve better

icechocolate · 15/08/2022 18:08

Thanks, I've just asked for the thread to be moved to Relationships.

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skelter83 · 15/08/2022 18:09

My heart broke for you reading this. You deserve more.
On a practical note, get yourself any sort of low ish stress paid employment asap. It doesn’t matter if it’s minimum wage, you’ll start to build up National Insurance contributions to protect yourself in the future. Good luck.

jeaux90 · 15/08/2022 18:12

Bloody hell OP please consider whether this is how you want your rest of your life to be. If it's not then you really have to be brave and call it a day. I feel really sad for you.

Life isn't to be sacrificed at the altar of marriage.

catandcoffee · 15/08/2022 18:17

So he has energy for his 'hobby' but nothing else. No energy for you ,the kids,housework, I think there's a word for this.....Lazy fucker.

ScarlettSunset · 15/08/2022 18:25

He's just lazy. You don't have to put up with it. Your children will think it's normal and it's not.
If you separate, you'll still likely have to do everything but at least you'll not have to feel resentful about him doing nothing. And your children will still be able to see him and maybe even get quality time with him rather than him just being focussed on his hobbies

icechocolate · 15/08/2022 18:59

Thanks all.

I do feel scared at the thought of separating, but equally I can't bear the thought of this being the rest of my life.

I have no idea what I would do re housing - I guess we would sell this house and I would get half the money and go from there. I'm not sure if I would be eligible for local authority housing. It would be such a big change. But I just can't keep on going thinking that things will change here as they clearly won't.

The other thing is that in a way I do love him - he's not a bad guy, just seems to find life hard to cope with. He finds practical tasks difficult and overwhelming. Some people have suggested that he may be neuroatypical, which I agree with. I think I have a tendency to overempathise with people and I kind of feel sorry for him....as well as feeling resentful and annoyed at him checking out of family life!

I'm currently applying for jobs and hopefully that will be a step in the right direction.

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ScarlettSunset · 15/08/2022 20:22

Don't let feeling sorry for someone affect the rest of your life. You are deserving of your own happiness too.

daddyweb · 16/08/2022 05:52

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icechocolate · 16/08/2022 06:45

@daddyweb yes, he is pretty much the same as when I married him - he was always low energy, found work stressful and spent a lot of time on his hobbies. When I married him I was in my twenties, I guess I was idealistic and just assumed he would change. I totally get that his hobbies help him to cope with stress and I have been really supportive of them in that sense. I have said to him before, if he wanted to spend three days a week on his hobbies and then maybe one day a week doing house and garden stuff/life admin that would be fine with me. It's just the total ignoring of all the tasks that need to be done that I find difficult. I really have tried to be ok with it, and told myself that he isn't a bad guy, but somehow I just keep feeling so sad and confused about it.

Re making a task list - I can't begin to tell you the amount of times I have tried this! Hours and hours of conversations and trying to work things out.He agrees and then it is just not done as he is "tired" or "forgets".

I just have to work out the pros and cons of staying with him in this way of life as it's not going to change, or leaving and being a single parent on a low income - neither option is easy.

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JennyForeigner · 16/08/2022 06:52

Honestly he sounds like a completely useless and rather selfish lump. It's not just ok to want more, it sounds like a matter of your psychological survival.

The employment market is buoyant. Get your job, wriggle around in work till you find something which you love. Put your energy into yourself and your kids, not a bottomless well of sulk.

PermanentTemporary · 16/08/2022 07:06

I am feeling so much for you. I empathise with the looking ahead to the future and seeing that you don't want the future you are going to have together.

He is quite clearly never going to change. I agree that you might be one of the couples who really does become good friends after divorce - it happens.

The key starting point is a job for you. But I'm a bit worried that you are already going into this with the attitude that you will be lucky to get any job. Right now it is a candidate's market. What would you actually like to do? Would you consider an NHS or civil service job? What sort of salary would actually make life better - even if you have to work towards that?

You'll need to rationalise the amount of work in the house because it's clearly pointless to expect your dh to lift a finger for you. I'd make a list of the very simplest meals that your family will eat and start teaching your children to make them (cheese on toast with sliced tomatoes, pasta carbonara with frozen peas etc etc).

I think you're potentially right about his neurodiversity but the key thing is that this relationship is not really improving either of your lives and you don't want the future that he sees. Go one state at a time, but you don't have to live that future.

SaintHelena · 16/08/2022 08:38

What are you going to live on in the future - he retires, you don't earn anything. Will you even get a pension at 67? Sounds like you haven't paid in. What pension will his part time job give him to retire early?
Go to citizens advice and see if they can work out what you need to do to live away from him.

icechocolate · 16/08/2022 11:42

Thanks for all your messages.

@PermanentTemporary I found your post very helpful. I think a lot of this problem may be due to my low self esteem in general, and feeling like I would be lucky to get any job. I have a degree, but am not qualified in any particular profession. I'd be open to any job really where there was a chance of progression - I was looking at charities as I thought they might offer flexible working, but that's a good idea to look at the civil service and NHS too.

Also that's a good idea to be realistic about the work in the house - I think I have spent so long feeling sad that DH doesn't help out in the house, now I just need to accept the reality and move on. Cooking healthy meals and baking for the family seems to have taken up a lot of my time over the past few years and I think simple meals will now be the way forward so I can concentrate on what I need to do!

@SaintHelena Re pension if I stayed married I would get half of DH's pension. He will get a small pension at the age of 60, I am not sure what he plans to do financially if he retires before then. I paid NI contributions when I was working before I became a SAHM but I don't have a private pension. Yes I think a trip to the CAB would be a good idea.

Tbh I feel a bit stupid that I have let this situation happen - I feel like I am emerging from a tunnel. Although even if I had been more financially astute, it would still have been tricky to work when the children were very young due to my son's ASD. Oh well - you live and learn!

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