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Put up, shut up or split ?

20 replies

JoanCandy · 15/08/2022 00:52

So conflicted about whether to stay with husband ! I go around and around with it all constantly and now it's damaging my MH.

There's so much to unpack but before I start I know I've been a total mug !
We are both in our 50s, together almost 15 years, married for 11. Each have a grown child, his a 21 yo son who he never sees and my DD lives with us – she has special needs, she's 21 and a lovely young woman.
We were very happy for a number of years although there were always 'red flags'. He wasn't always so great with my DD when she was younger but they have a good relationship now. I had a bit of breakdown several years ago and was quite ill for a time, he wasn't at all supportive and once I got better that was when my view of him really shifted.

Money and work have always been sticking points. I work a few hours part time and get a decent income from the disability benefits and carers allowance I receive for my DD that I don't take for granted and am very thankful for – if any of you reading have had to navigate the system to get what your child is entitled to you'll understand what a strain it can be to apply for and get it all sorted out.
I have always paid for everything – rent, food, bills, holidays, you name it. It's just 'happened' that way, he works for himself as a tradesman and has constantly been in and out of work, just doing bits and pieces here and there but not contributing anything significant financially. I've even paid for his car tax, MOT and insurance before now, just to keep his car legal.

I've tried and tried to talk to him, I've asked him to just pay his way and pull his weight but he gets so defensive – never nasty or violent but dismissive and shuts down the conversation - then I leave it too as I have other stuff I need to worry about … and so it goes on and here we are all these years later.
I've posted elsewhere that he's just inherited some money from his late father - £28,000 – and he gave me £20,000 and kept £8,000 for himself. Now, I'm seeing this money as him finally making some sort of contribution but when you break it down, £20,000 over 15 years is a little over £100 a month. It's nothing ! But I know he sees it as he's given it to me so that's his part done and it will shut me up.

I feel like I am at a crossroads now. We rent a tiny two bed bungalow and a larger place has come up to rent that I'm going to view tomorrow. If I get it I feel like telling him I want to move there with just my DD and he can sort himself out. He's got a bit of money now, he can bloody well stand on his own two feet after sponging off me for years. We have split up a couple of times before but ended up drifting back together again (again, my stupid fault).
His good points (there are some !). He's a kind person, he helps out with my DD, making her meals and things if I'm not there, we still have a laugh together and he does love me. I don't hate him, but could I muddle along with him being like he is for the rest of my life ?

I'm so confused, I really would appreciate hearing your thoughts – I can handle it ! I think !

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Alala2809 · 15/08/2022 00:55

Hello! Big hugs for the tough situation.

My personal opinion is that you have your mind made up, and you just need a bit of validation to go ahead with it.
Life is too short, and if you're unhappy, change the situation. Focus on doing something brilliant for you and your daughter.

Wish you all the best!

Threelittlelambs · 15/08/2022 01:00

Then make it a temporary split - rent the bigger place just the two of you and let him pay his own way in the other place.

Either he’ll realize how expensive life is or you’ll realize how much happier you are without him.

2catsandhappy · 15/08/2022 06:45

Sounds like a great plan. I suspect he won't actually take you seriously until he see the removal van. So, new place for Christmas @JoanCandy ?

ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 15/08/2022 06:48

You sound very unhappy.

It's slowly destroying you.

I'd leave him. Permanently

Debsdonein · 15/08/2022 07:19

I would talk to him and tell him exactly how you feel. If he won't communicate tell him if things don't change in a month you are out. Then I would just arrange to go without anymore discussions. I wish you all the best.

JoanCandy · 15/08/2022 08:57

Thanks everyone, I'm getting a lot more clarity just by reading what you've written but also reading other similar posts on this board.
Wow, there are a LOT of men who take advantage in this way, aren't there ?!

He's just got up to get ready for his ONE days work this week and pulling a right face about it. He owes me some money for a shop that I did at the weekend, asked him twice for it and he's got all defensive (again) ... but he still hasn't given it to me.

I'm viewing the potential new place at lunchtime. Wish me luck.

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FrancescaContini · 15/08/2022 08:59

Just got to the bit where you say it’s affecting your mental health. Split.

Good luck viewing a new place.

Watchkeys · 15/08/2022 09:11

His tactics are working: he puts on 'the defense show', and you dutifully shut up.

Tell him how you feel, and what you're going to do. Don't make a big show of it, it's not a conversation or something he can change your mind on. 'I feel it would be best if we lived separately, so DD and I are going to live somewhere on our own.' He can't get defensive because you're not attacking him, you're just telling him about you, and your situation. And if he tries to shut the conversation down, that's great, because you don't want to discuss it anyway. Job done.

KangarooKenny · 15/08/2022 09:20

Go for it and separate.
I am married and want to split but feel it’s such a lot to do, you have the perfect opportunity as you aren’t legally tied and there’s the possibility of your own place.

Stag82 · 15/08/2022 09:26

OP this is a great opportunity for a fresh start... wishing you all the best!

PetalParty · 15/08/2022 11:32

When he does earn, what is that money spent on?

Are you sure the total amount inherited is 28k?

What is in his savings and other accounts?

JoanCandy · 15/08/2022 12:13

PetalParty · 15/08/2022 11:32

When he does earn, what is that money spent on?

Are you sure the total amount inherited is 28k?

What is in his savings and other accounts?

Hi - he earns a pittance, really. Yes, positive that the inheritance was £28,000 (saw all solicitor's paperwork, final account and - naturally - had to take him to the solicitor's office to sign everything as he 'didn't know what to do' <eye roll>)
He buys alcohol (boxes and boxes of wine, cider), takeaways (for himself) and because he wastes so much food in general which causes a massive dent in my food budget he buys his own groceries now.

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Watchkeys · 15/08/2022 12:18

So pretty much all he can competently manage is making sure he's got booze and takeaways?

Is he good at anything else, or is that it?

JoanCandy · 15/08/2022 12:53

@Watchkeys you've got it - it's amazing the amount of energy he'll expend to ensure that he has his wine and yet everything else is like a Herculean effort. I did mention in the OP that he will lend a hand with practical stuff to help out with my DD but it's not much to write home about.

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Pixiedust878 · 15/08/2022 12:55

Hope the viewing went well OP.

I think you’ve got a good route out, and I’d grasp it with both hands if I were you.

Best of luck x

PetalParty · 15/08/2022 13:24

So, he doesn’t ask if you and your daughter would like some takeaway, too?
When you have asked him about that, what does he say?

Ihadenough22 · 15/08/2022 13:26

I leave this situation. He has being using you for years. You probably doing all the wife work. You have being supporting him financially for years. He has given you that money to keep you quite and so that you will stay with him.
He is able to have money for booze but has expected you to pay for everything else.
He sounds like he is a very heavy drinker or alcoholic and this won't improve. You don't want to be his carer down the line.

In your situation I would use the money he gave you to move out. Even if your new rent is a bit more your no longer going to be supporting him. You could move house, do a few bits and go on holiday. Keep some of the money and put into savings or a pension for yourself.
You been through a lot with your child and he is adding nothing to your life.
You have a chance to move on and be happy so it your time now to do this.
Even if the house you saw was not right just keep looking and something will come up.

PetalParty · 18/08/2022 10:41

How are you doing, OP?

AgnestaVipers · 18/08/2022 10:45

You'll be better off without him.

JoanCandy · 22/08/2022 08:21

PetalParty · 18/08/2022 10:41

How are you doing, OP?

Hi @PetalParty
sorry for not getting back to the responses on here, I really do appreciate everyone’s comments.
I’m ok, will hear today if we’ve been successful with the new place, however, now I’m not sure that we should go ahead and move (if we get it).
The only plus about it is the extra room we’ll have - we have a brilliant landlady at the moment, she’s paying for a new drive to be put down in the next few weeks and although she will be increasing the rent next year (after 3 1/2 years living here) it’s only by £50 and she was worried about doing that !
Back to my original issue. I tried over the weekend to change my mindset, make more of an effort to think of the positives in our relationship (he’s a nice, personable man, we make each other laugh and he’s always been very complimentary about me - and it is genuine - he gets on well with my DD and she thinks a lot of him too, he likes to cook, he washes up etc).
We actually talked about issues with staying where we are rather than moving and it felt good to listen and be listened to for once.
I’m in a real muddle - I would probably be better off financially if we split up but that’s not the be all and end all, is it ?

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