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Posted about lack of intimacy/sex/touch... update

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Thundercunts · 12/08/2022 02:29

I posted in mid June about my relationship which was perfect aside from a lack of real touch and intimacy and ultimately sex. I had the post removed though as there were issues with name changes.

If you remember the post I just wanted to come on with a positive update. If you don't remember but want some background then me and DP are late 30s, together 5 years. I had 3 kids prior and he had 1, no kids together. There has been a lack of physical touch and intimacy in the relationship for quite a long time now. Sex was always tricky as we struggled to have alone time. This bothered me way more than it seemed it did for him. I've persevered with things for this long because he is a very wonderful human in all other aspects. It felt like we were best friends really. He seemed to not like to be touched or cuddled, avoided kissing beyond a peck on the lips and would just avoid touching or cuddling me. Sex would happen, but twice a year, maybe 4 at a push. In short it just didn't seem to bother him. As a result I was left feeling starved of affection. When we did have sex it felt awkward to the point we both closed our eyes, almost like we couldn't look at each other. It was really shit. Not that he was shit, but that it felt disconnected and not what sex was about for me.
Our love languages are totally different. He shows his love through his actions. He is always there for us, incredibly loyal, would do anything for me and my children. He does the housework, the childwork, the running around. He'd do anything I asked really. Where as I am all about words of affirmation and physical touch.
A lot of the replies talked about the usual things that of course you question, gay, asexual, etc etc but none of those things fitted. I know his past and he is pretty sexually experienced too. I also know some of why sex was so infrequent (teacher working very very long hours term times, goes to bed before 9pm all week, leaves house at 6am, plus teens and younger kids in the house meaning there was never any great privacy).
After I posted I decided to give it a little longer before taking action and see what happened. A couple of changes were happening. The first one was that DP had been losing weight and feeling better in himself. I know he found stamina hard when he was bigger. I also know he disliked his body larger too (I fancied him just the same!). There was also the summer holidays approaching. My eldest had just moved out temporarily and there was finally likely to be some "us" time. A lot of replies were along the lines of that I'd have to accept being in a sexless relationship or leave. But I really hoped that something would change.
So what happened was this... we went away for a weekend in early July. It was truly the most relaxing weekend we have ever had. It was a family event with DPs huge family. We had so much fun for the whole weekend. Once the kids were in bed upstairs (big house hired out for the whole family) we all gathered in the bar area of the house. DP had quite a bit to drink (I don't drink, so as a result he rarely drinks either) and we had absolutely amazing (silent!) sex. Twice. And again the next night after we stayed up til 3am dancing downstairs. It was like his inhibitions just dropped thanks to the alcohol. There was touching, hand holding, and just general relaxed behaviour around intimate gestures for the whole weekend. I did keep in the back of my mind that this was just the drink at play.
However (!) this continued once we were home (minus the alcohol obviously!). We had sex more times in the last 5 weeks than we have in the last 5 years quite honestly. He has gone from finding touch uncomfortable to really enjoying it. I have found ways he likes to be touched, and he seems to be really in to it! I think he just didn't give it a chance beforehand as he didn't really allow me to do it. He'd swat my touch away prior.
We went away on holiday a couple of weeks ago and when the kids went to kids club we ran back to the hotel room like teenagers and had absolutely mind blowing sex. Nothing like I've ever experienced with him. It was truly leg shaking, him giving me multiple orgasims kinda stuff. He still continued to hold my hand and show intimate gestures in public, and when I told him things I liked, he made a note of them and has continued them even now we have been home a while.
I feel like we are truly in a new place in our relationship. I am so fucking happy right now. The intimacy is much improved. Something I did say to him whilst we were away was why did he only ever kiss me passionately during sex. He looked at me rather baffled and said why would you want to get yourself all excited and horny by kissing like that when you know you can't have sex. It was a revelation to me. I had no idea he felt like that about kissing. I explained to him that kissing, touch, any kind of intimacy does not have to lead to full blown sex. Those things feel good just on their own. They aren't exclusive to having sex. I think something in him clicked. I'm not sure if he thought that I'd want sex every time he kissed me or we did anything at all. But now he kisses me like I want to be kissed. Every single day. And I love it. Absolutely love it.
I know it hasn't been long since things changed, and I know reality will hit again when school starts back. But right now I have real hope that we will be okay. That we both understand each other better and that the missing piece for me has been found. If it goes again, I know we will find a way back.
So yeah, a good update and perhaps a little hope if anyone else is struggling with similar issues.

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Haggisfish3 · 12/08/2022 03:25

Aw this is lovely to read!

dolphinsarentcommon · 12/08/2022 03:43

I'm so pleased for you OP, a great read. So glad you stuck it out when things weren't great.. good for you.

JangolinaPitt · 12/08/2022 03:45

Lovely!!!!!!!

lisavanderpumpscloset · 12/08/2022 03:49

Aw good for you and long may it continue!

SpringSpringTime · 12/08/2022 03:54

Oh that is so lovely OP

Hira3 · 12/08/2022 06:52

Brilliant update! So happy that all worked out for.

KangarooKenny · 12/08/2022 07:54

Great, thanks for the update.

Mysteriousnotice · 12/08/2022 07:57

Lovely update. Great news.

BlueSuffragette · 12/08/2022 09:07

Fab update
So pleased for you both xx

DragonflyNights · 12/08/2022 09:11

That’s fantastic OP! Really happy for you and your partner.

CuriositysCat · 12/08/2022 09:15

So pleased for you!

Thundercunts · 12/08/2022 11:56

Thanks everyone, feeling happy as a pig in muck 😊.

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EmmaH2022 · 13/08/2022 08:23

Glad it worked out!

OP
As you have posted, I hope you won't mind being asked a question

You mention that he used to swat away your touch, that he didn't want a kiss without sex.

Do you think that's a thing? I am showing my age, but I wonder what happened to the hours of snogging my age group did as teens, why men seem to go from 0 - sex, etc. Hypersexualised culture maybe? Or they don't see affection as a stand alone thing?

notlongtoo · 13/08/2022 10:55

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Thundercunts · 12/11/2022 19:12

Further update:
Things have been pretty good. Sex has been averaging once a week, or every other week during term time, and half term it was about 3/4 times. This is just amazing considering where things were at earlier this year.
The reason I have come here to update is because I finally got the truth out of him (unintentionally) last night after he got drunk at home (I don't drink, he rarely does!) and confessed that he had completely shut down very early in the relationship after he told me he liked shaved pubic hair and I told him in no uncertain terms that I would never do that for a man and didn't find it an attractive look personally. He said he was completely taken back as he had never been with someone like me who wasn't afraid to shut down the conversation if I didn't like something. He said it totally stopped him from telling me what he liked and wanted ever since. We must have been less than a month in to dating when this happened. It has taken him 5 fucking years to confess that I'd terrified him in to feeling somehow sexually ashamed.
We had a very long discussion which was finally fucking honest. The issue is now resolved. He knows he can tell me anything. Just because I don't want to shave my pubes does not mean I am not sexually experienced, or adventurous. He actually looked gobsmacked when I told him some of my previous exploits. Stuff he never knew, but I hadn't hidden, he simply wouldn't talk about sexual stuff so I'd given up trying.
He also said he couldn't work out why he couldn't make me orgasm regularly (and this made him feel like he wasn't good enough). Which is true, he has only managed it once until this summer (when he managed to do it multiple times during the most amazing sex in my entire life!!). I explained to him I only orgasmed at age 29 for the first time and it was incredibly hard to do it with someone present, and the only reliable way to do it was alone with a vibrator. The fact he'd managed it was a miracle quite frankly and he shouldn't feel bad in any way.
Honestly, the conversation was awkward and I feel that maybe he is regretting some of it today, but it was needed. I can't believe he kept something in for 5 years that then essentially fucked up our sex life as a result. No wonder i wrote the above saying how sex felt awkward, disconnected and like we could hardly look at each other. I really thought he just had a low sex drive, but now I realise I dented his confidence unintentionally and that he is a tit for keeping it in all this time. I'm so happy that we've had such big changes since July, and I really hope that this discussion will bring yet more change for us.
I'll update again if anything else changes because I love a relationship happy ending and not many get shared. It just goes to show that not all issues are obvious as to the reasons, and not all are down to the standard (he's gay, asexual, low libido, using porn etc).

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PotatoFamily · 12/11/2022 19:21

That’s lovely! I always say the key to getting the spark back is at least one proper snog every day

Whataplanker · 12/11/2022 19:48

It frustrates me that my DH only seems to touch and caress when he feels like sex. I would like him to just do it sometimes as a stand alone thing but it seems like men find it difficult to separate intimacy and sex.

YRGAM · 12/11/2022 20:58

Great! Well done

Mege2 · 12/11/2022 20:59

Thats a fantastic update. So happy for you both. Such a big barrier has been lifted so well done.

Shitfather · 13/11/2022 09:08

Wonderful thread, and so lovely you took the time to update. I hope it helps someone else!

SallyAnn32 · 13/11/2022 14:27

Thank you for posting this. I am experiencing very similar with my DP at the moment.

I've taken note of a few things you said like telling him kissing doesn't always have to lead to sex and I just like kissing.

I'm so pleased it all had a happy ending (pun intended!) for you.

Thundercunts · 13/11/2022 22:55

@PotatoFamily I've told him what you said, well... I said that I want him to kiss me like he wants to shag my brains out at least once a day. He laughed but did as I asked and said he will take note! I like the thought though. I think it will lead to a happier existence for me to know he won't just give me a sodding peck on the cheek before bed.

We've just had another heart to heart after I just burst out crying. That is not like me at all. I think this weekends emotions have taken their toll on me. So much was said on Friday night, and it has been going around in my head all weekend. I think I needed to talk to him once the alcohol and hangover had worn off.

Something he did say this evening made me realise that we just aren't emotionally communicating properly. He said he was really embarrassed and humiliated by what he said on Friday night. It made him feel vulnerable and he didn't like that feeling. I asked if what he said was true and he said it was. So I asked why feel humiliated then? He said because they are things that you don't want to say but alcohol has loosened those inhibitions. I pointed out to him that these were all things that I needed to hear from him and that in a relationship you have to drop those walls and be vulnerable to each other. I want to be vulnerable with him, and to feel it back. But there have been these barriers. I think probably coming from both ways in the end.
He shut down after what I now realise was my rejection of something he wanted sexually. This then led to total sexual communication breakdown as he withdrew, I tried to encourage sex but it just wasn't forthcoming. In the end I just stopped trying after too much rejection. Every other aspect of our relationship is perfect. We match intellectually, morally, parenting styles, interests, life goals etc. We really do get on so well. We don't argue. We don't always agree, but there have never been shouting matches or storming out. I feel at peace with him in every aspect other than the sexual/emotional intimacy side. Although now the sex is happening and vastly improved. I just hope he remains emotionally open and that we can be closer than we ever have been. I'm excited for the future for the first time in a long time.

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Dery · 13/11/2022 23:09

SO pleased to hear you refused to shave your pubes. I think the bare look is so unnatural - adult genitalia have hair!

SunflowerTed · 13/11/2022 23:49

Really happy that you have sorted out the intimacy thing. It is a bit worrying that he took it so badly about you not being willing to shave your pubes and basically shit down sexually. I think your relationship sounds vastly improved and I’d just continue trying to be more open xx

Thundercunts · 14/11/2022 00:21

Dery · 13/11/2022 23:09

SO pleased to hear you refused to shave your pubes. I think the bare look is so unnatural - adult genitalia have hair!

The thing is, I did actually do this! Well, as near as damn it. It was practically a number 1. I didn't do it for him though, it was for me as I was having an issue with extremely heavy periods and it helped with the clean up issues out and about shall we say.
He still didn't fucking say anything.
🤷‍♀️

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