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Dp's behaviour has changed since he's been WFH - would this drive you mad too?

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BambooHandle · 08/08/2022 13:49

have name changed for this and will try keep it as short as possible

dp lost his job in Covid times and only recently has he found something else which is a fully WFH role, only part time and earning about half of what he did before. It should take up around 3 days of his week. It's in IT which was his previous role (we have no dcs together but have them separately, not married, both late 40s, early 50s).

He said he needed a proper work room to do that so we got a shed in the garden, which doubles as a room for gym equipment. I thought great, now all his stuff can go in there. Except he then said the shed was too loud (it backs onto the railway line) and he needed to do his calls inside. So slowly but surely, he has moved all his shit into the dining room. I still WOTH 99% of the time but I deal with a lot of different time zones so I also need somewhere to do calls early in the day or late in the evening. I used to use the dining room but now can’t as it’s covered in his IT stuff so I created a space in dd’s bedroom (she’s abroad this year) with a desk and a neat pile of stuff I need for calls. I came back from work last week to find that he is now working in that nice space I have set up every day because the dining room is full, the dining room is open plan to the lounge and he lets his kids sit there and watch TV/shit on the internet all day so he can’t do calls when they are watching TV, the shed is too loud and he loves the nice, neat space I have created.

I can barely move for his crap everywhere I look. There are literally these IT things (cables, motherboards, chips, keyboards) everywhere – piled on the floor, 4 deep on the dining room table, in the shed etc. and now in my neat space. I told him last week that he had to sort it out because it wasn’t acceptable and he says he is trying but it’s hard as he’s got his kids for a few weeks for the holidays and he’s trying to work too and look after the dog. We have cameras set up on the front and back of the house and one internally that we barely look at but it’s useful when we’re away and when we’re out for the dog. He keeps telling me how busy he is and I have been falling for it. But when I checked the cameras last week, I could tell he wasn’t even walking the dog yet he told me one of the reasons he was busy is that he took the dog out for a few hours. I then see on the internal cameras that he gets up, watches shit on TV, maybe does one call, has a nice nap, watches a bit more shit on TV and maybe cooks some food and that is literally it and he’s on his phone the whole time, like even walking through the house while typing. I’m not on social media but I had a quick look at his and he is posting all day, like posts every couple of minutes on twitter. Some of the work meetings he’s told me he needs to do have been twitter meet ups it turns out. Every time I challenge him, there is some excuse. This morning he tells me how his ‘friend’ on twitter was threatening suicide and he had to be there for him and that’s why he’s found it hard to work as he had to be his support all week and that’s why he didn’t take the dog out (why lie to me the lazy sod!). This week his ‘other friend’ is having marital problems so he needs to spend some time helping him. It’s like I can’t get anywhere without him trying to make me feel like an utter shit for challenging him! I had a good look through his social media and he has styled himself as someone people ask help from – like every time someone posts a question, he will find the answer (as he's on there all day so always available) so he’s now built up this reputation as some sort of ‘helpful’ bod so I can see now why loads of people are now bothering him with their troubles.

The weird thing is he was not like this before – he had a job that he had to go into an office for, he worked hard and he came home and everything was fine. Now that he is WFH, everything has gone tits up and I think it’s because he doesn’t have interaction with people anymore (as he’s hugely sociable, I am not!) and he’s using social media to replace it. I said I thought he was being hugely lazy and he burst into tears and said I was being unfair. He now obviously sees how pissed off I am and is sending me messages saying how much he loves me but tbh I am going right off him at the moment. I’ve even texted this morning to make sure he takes the poor dog out – I was expecting him to go this morning when it was cool and of course he hasn’t so he says he is waiting till later as the dog was asleep but he now won’t be able to be walked till tonight because of the heat. Quite frankly, I don’t want another child as a partner and don’t want a man in his 50s who is addicted to being wanted on social media.

So am I being mean or would this drive you mad too?

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Acheyknees · 08/08/2022 15:37

Could you post from an anonymous account to his twitter feed exactly what you have said in your OP and ask for his advice?

TommySaid · 08/08/2022 15:41

I cannot WFH.

During lockdown I really struggled because I find it very hard to focus ( think I have ADD) and I need to be in a work environment.
I try and do 20 things at once so that I get overwhelmed and end up staying in my PJs all day and being really unproductive.

He needs to either get a job out of the home or put up soundproofing panels in the shed so he has a proper work area away from the house.

Id be fuming about him not walking the dog.

But your behaviour is quite odd too - you have checked the security cameras and his social media to find out what he’s been doing - that’s not ok and if you were a man you’d have had other posters going batshit.

BambooHandle · 08/08/2022 15:46

The reason I checked the cameras was that I had a suspicion he wasn't walking the dog when he told me he was. I have an idea when the dog has been walked when I come home (he's a working dog breed so full of energy). Dp has never lied before as I said but I had a sudden suspicion he was lying so just checked the external camera to see when he had taken the dog out that day for a few hours to see he hasn't left the house. That's when I checked the internal one to realise what was going on.

On the social media, Twitter is open for all to see! I've just never looked before as I'm not interested in it myself!

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DevilsVineBlues · 08/08/2022 15:47

There's something else odd here, too.

IT jobs are everywhere - I work on IT and everyone I know is screaming out trying to hire multiple different roles and not getting candidates through.

Unless he specifically chose a part time role (which are rare in IT, IME), I don't see how he could have failed to find a full time role before now.

BronwenFrideswide · 08/08/2022 15:58

Glad you are having a chat with him tonight @BambooHandle it is definitely ultimatum time:

He stops lying
If he is struggling mentally he must access help for that
He looks for another office based job
He removes all the stuff out of the dining room and back into the shed
He works from the shed and actually does the work he is currently being paid to do not piss about on social media all day
He takes the dog out for a walk and does the other things required of him around the house
He clears all his crap out of and stays out of the room you have created as your office
He starts pulling his weight and behaving like an adult not a social media obsessed teenager
He clears up all his crap around the house and puts it in the shed

I'd also tell him that any love you had for him is draining away quicker than the sand in an egg timer, he shapes up or ships out.

BambooHandle · 08/08/2022 16:00

I do think he tried and tbh being over 50 definitely counted against him. He got down to the last 2 many many times. But in every one, they chose the younger candidate. I've recently had to change job too and ageism is definitely a thing! Of course employers can't say that to your face. He has a v specific skill set too which I don't think helps (related to pubs/restaurants) which is why in covid his job went. He is trying to branch out into other things.

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BambooHandle · 08/08/2022 16:00

Thanks all - this has been hugely helpful. Will sit with him tonight.

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KirstenBlest · 08/08/2022 16:23

Ageism is a thing, but there are employers out there who look at the over 45s positively. Older workers often have a wealth of knowledge gained by decades of work experience.
I currently have two colleagues, one older and one much younger, and you can guess which one is easier to work with.

Franca123 · 08/08/2022 16:37

Tbh I feel a bit sorry for him. He sounds like he's a bit depressed. I'd have a heart to heart and maybe push him towards work outside the house. It doesn't suit everyone.

Daleksatemyshed · 08/08/2022 19:51

For some people working from home is a no no and your DH is one of them. It takes discipline and focus and sadly he's clearly lost both of those. I'd make sure to point out to him that since he found it hard to get this job he really needs to stop pissing about and work before the company chuck him out. You need to be firm for your own good, you don't want to be the one having to make all the money whilst knowing he'll be at home doing nothing to help

KettrickenSmiled · 09/08/2022 02:30

BambooHandle · 08/08/2022 14:07

no, it's my house (I own it)

Do you have a cocklodger on your hands OP?

Is he paying his way - while he's sitting pretty in your house, & feeling entitled to move in on your work spaces without consultation?
What is he going to do for money when his employers finally wise up & sack him?
How do you feel about him now you know he has been bullshitting you, & shortchanging your dog, for so long?

Besttobe8001 · 09/08/2022 04:35

DevilsVineBlues · 08/08/2022 15:47

There's something else odd here, too.

IT jobs are everywhere - I work on IT and everyone I know is screaming out trying to hire multiple different roles and not getting candidates through.

Unless he specifically chose a part time role (which are rare in IT, IME), I don't see how he could have failed to find a full time role before now.

This is the bit that stood out to me too. I work in IT and am partly responsible for resourcing and we are absolutely crying out for staff in all areas, engineering, security, data, networking, etc.

Also don't assume that because he worked in an office previously this is new behaviour. I've worked with loads of absolute shirkers in my time. Agree that it's a wholly unsexy trait.

dustandroses · 09/08/2022 05:40

Some people can not wfh, they can not self motivate and are unorganised, in the office they are supervised even if it’s just the presence of colleagues, it can make a difference.

Why did he lose his job, could it have been performance related and why can’t he get a another office job?

Meanwhile put him and his stuff back in the shed and he can use earphones to make calls.

Eviebeans · 09/08/2022 05:44

Is there a way to check whether something has happened with his job?

StartupRepair · 09/08/2022 06:15

Don't whatever you do move yourself into the shed. He will have all his crap all over the house. Be clear about what matters most to you. The lying, the neglect of the dog, the lack of respect of your space, the weird seeking approval by being everyone 's helper on the internet. Make your boundaries really clear and that you don't want to continue to live with this behaviour.

Mintchervilpurslane · 09/08/2022 06:35

Try and go out somewhere together to have your talk tonight op.

Keep it calm.

He could be depressed. Is he normally someone that cries? He could be feeling really lost. He has lost his self esteem through losing his job and is trying to get it back by posting advice on line. You need to tell him that he needs to switch the direction of that effort and put it in to you, your home, your dc.

He should not be lying though although the excuse for that could be shame.

There is NO excuse for neglect of the dog though. Walking would help him if he is depressed.

How was he before he lost his job? Did he do his fair share of stuff around the house and step up with the DC?

ChaToilLeam · 09/08/2022 06:47

I could not be doing with this. He sounds a ridiculous manchild. He needs to find an office based role, being left to his own devices is clearly not something that works for him.

HollowTalk · 09/08/2022 06:58

That would drive me absolutely insane particularly given the fact that you own the house and he has taken over all the space and lied to you. I wouldn't want him living there, to be honest.

illiterato · 09/08/2022 07:04

I agree some people can’t wfh but I’m not sure it’s all about being disorganised or lazy- for some people ( often extroverts) it’s about that social aspect and getting energy from others, whereas wfh can sink them into lethargy without them realising it. Some people also benefit from compartmentalising work and home.

this is not to excuse his behaviour- I’d be mega pissed off and it’s clear that he needs to get out of the house but I don’t think we should assume that failure to wfh is the result of some sort of character flaw.

dustandroses · 09/08/2022 08:04

@illiterato gosh off topic but you have just described me and I have been wondering why I am struggling, that makes sense to me, the energy I am missing from social interaction, the back and forth, the ad hoc discussing of a work issue, the idle chat in a lunch break etc.

for some people ( often extroverts) it’s about that social aspect and getting energy from others, whereas wfh can sink them into lethargy without them realising it.

BambooHandle · 09/08/2022 13:57

honestly pre Covid, he was a totally different person. I don't recognise the man in front of me today. On my way home, I spoke to one of my sisters - we went down to visit her a few weeks ago - and she said how distracted she thought he was. We were staying somewhere where there was no mobile signal and poor Wifi so dp couldn't get any connection. On one day, we agreed to all go to the beach but dp said he had a work call which he would do from the car park (because he could get signal there) and then join us. We walked down to the beach (you can't see it from the car park) and took his kids, mine, and dsis's kids with me and dsis. We had a great time, swimming, playing on the beach and I kept wondering where dp was. Dsis said to me at the time, I don't think he's got a work call. I said what do you mean?! She said it just doesn't seem like he really wants to be here!

I spoke to him last night. It's difficult as his kids are with us at the moment (they are much younger than mine) - I've said we will carry on talking on Friday when they go back. I lay out how I feel and how the relationship is making me feel at the moment and how things need to change. I went to relationship counselling when I got divorced (10 years ago now!) and one thing they always recommended was making it about yourself so you say 'I feel this way' rather than 'you make me feel that way' because otherwise it puts people on the defensive. I compared his life today to what it was like 3 years ago - he's put on probably 30kg (BMI now 31 compared to 25), he drinks too much, his knees hurt all the time, he's not happy, he's become lazy, he's completely addicted to being connected to social media (and when he couldn't when we went to the coast, he got really agitated) - it's like he's lost his purpose. We both agreed that WFH was definitely not for him. I'm an introvert yet I'm the one going out every day seeing people and he's a massive extrovert and he's stuck staring at 4 walls. I said even if he got a shit job that was not at home, it would be better than what he's doing now. I don't care about his weight btw but we spoke about it as it's just a sign of how miserable he's become not having real connections to people I think. He just sits at home eating and drinking. He said he misses me so much when I'm at work and when I get back, all he wants to do is talk to me because he's so excited that he has someone there (which makes me feel bad as all I want to do is put my feet up!).

I think the problem he has now is how to fix it as he has to drag himself up and out to sort it out. But we are going to discuss again on Friday.

Thanks all for your perspectives as they were v useful!

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BronwenFrideswide · 09/08/2022 19:52

On one day, we agreed to all go to the beach but dp said he had a work call which he would do from the car park (because he could get signal there) and then join us. We walked down to the beach (you can't see it from the car park) and took his kids, mine, and dsis's kids with me and dsis. We had a great time, swimming, playing on the beach and I kept wondering where dp was. Dsis said to me at the time, I don't think he's got a work call. I said what do you mean?! She said it just doesn't seem like he really wants to be here!

His poor children, their dad didn't want to spend time with them on the beach he preferred to piss about on social media with his new found friends.

He said he misses me so much when I'm at work and when I get back, all he wants to do is talk to me because he's so excited that he has someone there

And yet he had the opportunity to spend time with you, your children, his children, your sister and her children at the beach having a good fun time and he chose not to.

His children are staying with him and he is doing nothing with them, doesn't even sound as if he is interacting with them at all just letting them sit and watch TV/play on screens, why bother having his children to stay if he can't be bothered with them and spends all his time on social media or napping?

He certainly needs to get some perspective and sort himself out.

billy1966 · 10/08/2022 03:45

OP,

You sound like a very tolerant woman.

He has taken over your home and abdicated any responsibility for himself, his children, to contributing positively.

He sounds incredible lazy.

You are selling yourself very short here.

Is this the future you want?

Doing it all and carrying it all.

You deserve better.

FamilFeaturesFun1 · 10/08/2022 04:07

Kick DP & all his stuff out of where you are working

I don't believe that he cannot get a FT IT related job, there is a shortage

Stop being so nice !

Oblomov22 · 10/08/2022 05:06

He sounds like a cocklodger. Just have a proper conversation and tell him everything you've said here.

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