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Reassure me I'm doing the right thing?

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Doubtingmyself83 · 03/08/2022 09:58

I've name changed for this but have posted before quite a few times about my relationship.

My partner and I have been together since early 2015. He was homeless when we met and had just gone into a local supported housing type place, was claiming jsa as he had lost his job which led to the homelessness. So he probably wasn't in a great place mentally.

Anyway. We got chatting, grew a bit of a bond but probably moved quicker than we should have done back then and within 6 months I had proposed to him - can't remember how or why as all of that is a bit of a blank tbh but anyway, it happened.

Pretty much ever since, it's been a rocky road

  • I have three children and he's never really taken to them; I can see he tries but he thinks I'm too soft with them, he gets annoyed when they wave their arms around whilst eating or make silly which to an extent is fair enough, but they all have additional needs (autism and adhd) so as an example I ask "can you please stop" several times before they actually take notice and it doesn't bother me too much, he snaps "stop it!" very loudly which makes said child jump - stuff like that is the kind of thing we argue about.

He is either selfish or on the spectrum himself somewhere, I do think it's the latter but it's hard to tell.

He just has quite a blinkered attitude - I get up first each morning and he stays put for half an hour or so on weekdays, I always make myself a coffee and bring him one into bed, he says thanks then gets dressed, pops into the living room, then 2 minutes later goes to the toilet before brushing his teeth then finishing his coffee. It's a routine he has but it doesn't matter how busy I am, he will do it without fail and it annoys me because 9 times out of 10 I leave the house in the morning having not brushed my teeth and only just managing to wash!
I could solve this by getting up earlier and showering before I wake the kids I suppose...
He also kind of half does things - his 'jobs' are hoovering downstairs in the evening,taking the bins out and cooking for us. I cook for the children (he's fussy what he eats so we eat separately from the children, later in the evening), washing up whilst he cleans the sides then he hoovers and I clean the bathrooms. Then we eat.
But he will move the rug to hoover under it then leave it wonky. Same with the living room curtains. And the kitchen bin - I picked him up on the bin thing and he said I was asking him everytime he'd hoovered if he had done behind the bin (there were quite often crumbs there after he'd hoovered) so he said he leaves the bin moved so I don't ask him if he's done behind it. He never does down my side of the bed as it would involve moving it to get the hoover down there, but there are always crumbs down there as he snacks on the bed in the evening so drops crisps etc.

He doesn't want to come on holiday with us. Ever. Because "we argue". He's going to drop us to our trips out over the summer hols as I don't drive but won't come with - to alton towers for example, as he can't walk far due to a spinal operation that went wrong a few years ago - fair enough I guess but it just seems sad to me that, especially with the holiday, he doesnt want to come.

We don't have sex. He will go down on me and I will him (sorry if tmi) probably once every 6 months,sometimes a bit more often and sometimes way longer. Twice this year so far I think, and it's always when he's drunk so he's quite rough and it's not fun.
We used to give each other a peck on the lips when he left the house but that stopped last year, I've asked and he can't really say why. There's no other affection but we do laugh and joke. Feels like we're more like friends than partners. He says he rarely gets morning erections and doesn't really masturbate, if I go down on him he seems to get soft quite quickly and he has to put his fingers inside me to get it hard again (again, sorry!). He acknowledges he has a problem and also says he doesn't really have a sex drive, but shows no interest in fixing things. Having said that, I have never had much of a sex drive either so no sex isn't an issue as such,it's more his lack of interest that bothers me.

The biggest issue in my mind; he's a very heavy drinker. He would drink every day if he could and even if he's not doing every day, he drinks around 25 units on a Friday and the same on a Saturday without fail. He still gets up as normal, goes off to work, doesn't seem hungover but even that amount bothers me and that's what he sees as being "good". On bad weeks, and when I'm finding it hard to say no to him, he'll drink 3 or 4 days in a row, have a day or two off then start again.
Never drinks before noon or anything so says he isn't a proper alcoholic. His last drink was Saturday as I'm being stronger this week and he's gone to work today still seeming fine and not having withdrawal - yet he says he either doesn't want to or can't stop drinking altogether. He isn't sure which. He says he drinks to deal with...something, stop his head or something like that.
He said the other day in the car he was singing along to the radio and just started to well up with tears for no reason. Says he can't even remember what the song was.

But he won't go to the gp.

So that's an overview. Sorry its so long, but I'm struggling to follow through with ending things.

The arguing has got on top of him as much as me as its been daily recently.

The drinking is my biggest issue,I wanted him to stick to just Fri and sat for now and eventually cut down more but he says he won't. He says he will never give up completely as he doesn't want to and can't understand why I think his drinking affects,or will affect, my children.
They're 11, 14 and 15 so not tiny but if nothing else, even if we didn't argue over the issue, them seeing 4 bottles of wine and 6 cans of beer in the recycling box every Sunday morning and smelling red wine through the house all weekend isn't fair on them. In my opinion. And that's on a good week!

So anyway it came to a head against the other day and we agreed to split. Yesterday, he suggested a Chinese (which means he wants a drink). I said no. It got a bit tense and he got annoyed, he tells me it was because after I said no,I told him I couldn't believe he had suggested drinking as its only been 2 days since his last drink!
I think he got annoyed because usually I agree for a quiet life, this time I didn't :(

Is there any way to save this relationship? I know it sounds silly but my kids have grown up with him, I know they'll be upset when he leaves and I feel awful about that, I also wonder whether if I just ignored all of the other stuff, would he feel happier and therefore be more willing to cut down the drinking? Is it because the atmosphere is so tense he feels he needs to drink to relieve the pressure?

Or am I deluding myself that he would ever change?

OP posts:
Doubtingmyself83 · 03/08/2022 10:00

God seriously, sorry its so long but I did think it was all relevant.

I'm just trying to work out, if I went to the gp and got help for my anxiety (I have anxiety by the way!) and we went to counselling for our lack of communication (which he did suggest recently, but I said no as I didn't think I could be bothered), would that change things at all?

We've both got into the mindset of "can't be bothered" to make an effort to change things and I wonder whether to attempt to actually try before we split, or just rip the plaster off and end it.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/08/2022 10:43

Being a rescuer and or saviour in a relationship never works and here you were being both to him. This is a frankly shocking error of judgment that has cost you and your kids dearly. You let this man whom you barely knew into your home and lives far too quickly; what do you think your kids are learning about relationships here?. Why exactly did you let him into your life in the first place?.
You do not need to answer that on here but you do need to ask yourself that question and be honest about your answers.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?.

Abuse is not about communication or a perceived lack of either; its about power and control. Your boundaries, perhaps already skewed by previous poor relationship experiences, have been further mashed by him to the point he has you thinking about saving the relationship (NO, there is nothing to rescue or save here) , you going to the GP and or joint counselling (NO, its never recommended either where there is abuse of any type within the relationship).

Such men hate women and do not change; this is who he is - and always has been. Why did you let him into your life in the first place?. You do not need to answer that on here but you do need to ask yourself that question and be honest about your answer. What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?.

I would also think your children will be relieved rather than supposedly upset when he leaves. Put yourself and your kids first now for a change; not this man and his needs which are by the way not more important than your own. Read about codependency in relationships and see how much of this relates to your own behaviour re him.

Rip the plaster off and end it once and for all with him. Its over anyway because he is abusive towards you and your kids whom he does not give a shit about either. This is a complete car crash of a relationship and you've been left feeling like this because of it.

What is the situation re the property; is it mortgaged and/or a rental agreement in your sole name?.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/08/2022 10:47

Once he is out of your life (and use the police if he kicks off to get him out of your home) I would urge you to enrol yourself onto the Freedom Programme and not at all embark on any other relationship until you have sorted yourself out mentally. Love your own self for a change now and be on your own with your kids. Its far better than being with an abusive drunk.

yellowsmileyface · 03/08/2022 10:55

I think ending things is the right thing to do, for everyone involved.

He has a drinking problem. It doesn't matter if he doesn't drink some days, if he doesn't drink before noon... addicts are masters at excusing and minimising their addiction. And you can't bargain with addicts. You shouldn't have to let everything else go and drop your grievances in favor of a quiet life, and doing so won't result in him drinking any less, so that sacrifice would be futile. He's made it clear he doesn't want to quit or even reduce his drinking, and addicts simply cannot quit unless they well and truly want to for themselves.

Further to that, there's no romantic spark left and the arguing has escalated to daily, so even without the drinking it sounds like the relationship has run it's course. Your DC may be upset initially, but it'll be better for them in the long run not to live in a house with tension and arguing.

5zeds · 03/08/2022 10:57

He’s an alcoholic. He shouted at your children. He shows you no affection and uses you so he doesn’t have to use his own will power to not drink. You can’t fix that. Look after yourself and your children and ask him to find somewhere else to live.

Doubtingmyself83 · 03/08/2022 11:58

Bloody hell. Deep down I know you're all right but still I'm thinking... is he really abusive? Has it really all been controlled or manipulated by him? I have said as much to him before and he's convinced me that it's me that has the problem.

Trouble is, because I have anxiety (officially diagnosed with that but there may be more to it) I doubt myself and wonder whether 'normal' people would let some of the things I've talked about, go.

Attila - we're on a privately rented joint tenancy which doesn't help.

He's saying he will move out in his own time and has messaged about three properties (he's only looking to be a lodger) but so far they've all been unsuitable - I feel like they might all be :(

I don't even know whether the council could help - the housing options team only seem to help with homelessness applications but I'm not homeless so...

OP posts:
Doubtingmyself83 · 03/08/2022 12:04

@AttilaTheMeerkat

Just typed codepency into Google and clicked on the first test.

I got a score 53 (ticked yes to most things) :(

Didn't even really realise how many of my traits were codependent ones until I took the quiz, so thank you for opening my eyes to it.

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KettrickenSmiled · 03/08/2022 12:08

Bloody hell. Deep down I know you're all right but still I'm thinking... is he really abusive?

Gosh I just can't work it out OP - maybe canvass your childrens' opinion?
Oh no, that won't work.
Your alcoholic cocklodger has been living with them for so many of their formative years now that they won't be able to recognise that he is abusing them either.

Harrysmummy246 · 03/08/2022 12:11

I didn't really read beyond him not being great with your kids. THat's a big NO....

KettrickenSmiled · 03/08/2022 12:20

Is there any way to save this relationship?
Of course there is. Keep subsidising him, enable his alcoholism, put up with his sulks, dramas & laziness, & allow him to keep berating your children.

I know it sounds silly but my kids have grown up with him, I know they'll be upset when he leaves and I feel awful about that,
You have this the wrong way around. Your children don't know any better - but you are an adult, & their advocate, & you need to do what is right & best for their wellbeing - not what they think they'd like. Children are pre-programmed to love the adults who live with them in a parental capacity. That love does not imply good judgement - it's an expression of their human need for acceptance & belonging.

I also wonder whether if I just ignored all of the other stuff, would he feel happier and therefore be more willing to cut down the drinking? Is it because the atmosphere is so tense he feels he needs to drink to relieve the pressure?
No.
You need to wake up & realise that there is a solid rule for enablers & co-dependents about their alcoholic:
You did not cause it
You cannot control it
You cannot cure it

The most worrying aspect in your thread so far is your desire to retain this godawful 'relationship'. You need help with the practical steps now, like how to manage the split & find you & the DC a new, sole tenancy ... I am sure PP will comment & help with that. But as a matter of extreme urgency, you need some form of therapy to help you understand WTF happened to your self-esteem that caused you to shack up with this abusive cocklodger in the first place.

He has his feet so well under your bed - he's even got himself on the tenancy. Is he working now? He controls every aspect of your life, he is horrible to the children, & yet you are still looking for ways to salvage your 'relationship'.
He is a user & a taker & you are never going to find your self-worth while he is in your life. I am sorry I have been so blunt in both posts OP but it's appalling that you have been taken in by this predatory, self-interested man. I really hope you get the therapeutic help you need that puts you back in charge of your own destiny, & only allowing decent, helpful, respectful people around yourself & your DC in future.

Doubtingmyself83 · 03/08/2022 12:43

@KettrickenSmiled I understand why you're doing it. I hate myself for allowing it but I don't work due to disability and have a really bad credit rating so getting out isn't as easy as you think.

I don't have access to credit cards, or loans, or even a guarantor for a new property and I don't have any family or friends I could stay with.

I'm isolated - I don't think it's because of him as I've never had friends but you're right, I do need some sort of help. Just not sure where to start to get it.

This thread has helped, I just need to train my brain to stop asking "but what if I did things differently" about him and start thinking that way towards myself and my children. Probably doesn't make sense but I understand what I mean!

And for what it's worth; sexually abusive dad, told my mum about it and also about similar from my uncle when I was 19 and her response was "what's so special about you?", kids dad was controlling and ended up being violent, I then stayed away from men until I met my current (ex) partner. He seemed different but clearly wasn't.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/08/2022 13:34

Both your parents failed you abjectly in childhood (and that is an understatement to say the very least) and that is where the roots of all this lies. You were never shown what a mutually healthy relationship is like so you did not know and you still do not know either. You do not recognise red flags and your boundaries in relationships have been far too low for many years. And this is also why you proposed to him after six months. You've been led to believe from childhood this is all you deserve.

Re your comment:
"Has it really all been controlled or manipulated by him?"
Yes

"I have said as much to him before and he's convinced me that it's me that has the problem".

This is the mindset of the abuser; to make out that its all your fault rather than their own. These people are master manipulators and will have you believing all sorts of untrue shite. The man you are now with is an abusive drunkard cocklodger who targeted you deliberately to abuse.

He will never find a property that will suit him. He enjoys the power and control he has over you all and will be most unwilling to give up the gravy train you have freely provided to him. You're going to have to employ legal means and or the police here (you may well need in place a non molestation order against him) to get him out of your life.

You need to contact Womens Aid here; as well as a phone line they also run an online chat facility. I would also contact Shelter for their advice as to how you get this man off the joint tenancy agreement. You absolutely need therapy also as KettrickenSmiled has rightly suggested.

KettrickenSmiled · 03/08/2022 16:15

OP, the best thing you can do now is contact your GP & Womens Aid.

Your GP can put you on the pathway to access counselling or therapy. It's clear where all this started - with the CSA perpetrated on you, & your mother's disgraceful reaction to it. I am so sorry that happened to you, & that you were totally unsupported. You deserve that support, & it's not too late to start benefitting from it.

Womens Aid will advise you on how to safely eject Mr Cocklodger from your home & your life.
You may also find an organisation like Gingerbread helpful - they can help you find the best options for either ejecting your ex, or moving on without it.
www.gingerbread.org.uk/what-we-do/about-gingerbread/

Please reach out for all the help that is available OP - you have been without support for far too long. It's time to rebuild your life, & you deserve to live it free of users & abusers.

Doubtingmyself83 · 03/08/2022 16:21

Thank you Attila and Kettricken.

I will contact womens aid and try and get to my gp as soon as possible.

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KettrickenSmiled · 04/08/2022 08:12

Hope you are doing ok this morning OP 😀Brew

One step at a time my dear. Many PP have been in similar circumstances, so you are not alone. Keep posting, (when you are ready & able, you don't owe anyone updates) - nobody wants you wasting your life on this loser xx

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 04/08/2022 08:22

KettrickenSmiled · 04/08/2022 08:12

Hope you are doing ok this morning OP 😀Brew

One step at a time my dear. Many PP have been in similar circumstances, so you are not alone. Keep posting, (when you are ready & able, you don't owe anyone updates) - nobody wants you wasting your life on this loser xx

I agree. And well done for taking the first big step writing this.

Best of luck, OP.

MarryMeTomHardy · 04/08/2022 08:29

5zeds · 03/08/2022 10:57

He’s an alcoholic. He shouted at your children. He shows you no affection and uses you so he doesn’t have to use his own will power to not drink. You can’t fix that. Look after yourself and your children and ask him to find somewhere else to live.

This !

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