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Really tricky situation with both my parents - am I to blame?

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milkyway512 · 29/07/2022 06:46

My parents separated when I was 3, and I’m now 22. They have always hated each other, even when I was very little, and I have always been aware of the vitriol they have towards each other. Both of my parents have said mean things about the other behind each other’s backs.

I stopped seeing my dad when I was about 11 and started seeing him again when I was 16. I stopped seeing him because I saw some of his behaviour, such as flirting with women in front of me, that made me uncomfortable and I told my mum. She wasn’t happy about it and those two feelings kind of merged and I decided I wouldn’t see him anymore. This decision has always been tricky in my mind as I’m not sure whether it was my decision or my mum’s.

I started seeing him again at 16 and things were going pretty well. My grandmother and my dad took me to Paris for my birthday. Things were okay, we saw each other once a month roughly, up until my parents decided it was time to move out of the city and into the country. I don’t know whether it was me bringing it up or my dad, I suspect I may have brought her up once, but my dad began questioning my parents (my stepdad and my mum) and their parenting of me. He would ask what it was like in the house, and I would explain there are a lot of silences and my stepdad could be quite domineering in conversations.

since then, my mum was brought up once or twice, as I asked dad about whether it’s normal to give someone on the train your number (it isnt which my mum told me) and he said my mum shouldn’t be controlling who I give my number to. I explained what my mum said regarding the number, how she got upset and worried, and said is shouldn’t be giving random guys my number, and my dad said that made it sound salacious. the thing is I feel so guilty for discussing my mum with him and allowing him to make these comments, because I was sort of discussing why I was annoyed with her and I think I contributed to this image of her as controlling and bad to my dad. I think I was painting her in a bad light. I feel horrible with myself because of this memory and I feel so disloyal to my mum as my mum is really a wonderful person.

it got worse… I stayed at my grandmothers with my dad and on the way home I didn’t say anything because I was hungover. My dad then sent me a message after saying he was worried about me that I was quiet. I said I was fine, just hungover. Then a couple of weeks later I get a message saying ‘I feel like I’m losing you🥺’ and I reassure him he isn’t but this annoyed me a little. Then we meet up and there is an awkward silence and he says there’s been a shift between us in our relationship. I say there hasn’t been, but I did sort of feel that, I couldn’t explain why but I felt myself distancing myself from him. It was entirely mental as I didn’t stop replying to messages or anything.

he then starts really digging into my mum, saying how she’s controlling and over protective. He says she’s got munchausen by proxy, that she wants me like a zombie (I’m on psychiatric medication) and that she wasn’t liked at school, was known as a b. I tried to Stick up for her and said that I’m on medications for a reason and she is just trying to make sure my symptoms don’t come back worse. Before this he was quite condescending toward me, sneering when I mentioned where we now lived and my dog, and insinuating I don’t see my friends enough. he got really angry and wouldn’t stop talking about my mum. He was blaming her for a lot of things and it did make me uncomfortable at times and I did try and stick up for her. I felt like walking off. He is a drug user and said “this is why I want you to try magic mushrooms” when I told him how bad I’d been and that’s why my mum is protective.

he said “I could tell you things about your mother that would make your hair curl”, and I feel so guilty because I was desperate to know what they were and I feel so disloyal.

the main reason I’m writing this is because I feel so guilty that I’ve caused this. I feel like I’ve encouraged my dad to talk badly about my mum or I’ve joined in when I shouldn’t. I feel I don’t deserve my mum anymore but she insists it isn’t my fault. She was a bit upset when I told her what he said, but used to it from my dad she said. Things have gone a bit haywire as my family were furious as my dad for talking to Me in that way and being horrible about my mum (he said some other worse things as well) but I just feel like it’s my fault. Is it my fault? Thank you

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Whatafielddayfortheheat · 29/07/2022 06:57

Hello. You have NOT caused this. I also grew up in a similarly acrimonious situation, it's very damaging and one of the hallmarks of children in these situations is that they blame themselves and feel misplaced guilt. I'm 37 now and although things have calmed a lot as we are all grown up and the marriages etc (when my parents both attend) are over I still find myself trying to avoid mentioning one parent to the other. And they kick up a fuss about both attending my kids' parties etc which is a stress I don't need.

It is entirely normal to talk to one parent about the other, you shouldn't be feeling guilt about that, so please let it go. They are the ones at fault for twisting your words. Your father in particular is being abusive. I recommend counselling to help you let go of the guilt that you feel - none of this is your fault. I'm sorry this happened to you x

Whatafielddayfortheheat · 29/07/2022 06:59

By the way there are a lot of similarities in our situations, right down to my dad making veiled references to my mum's supposed misdemeanours (which are no -existent and just a way of controlling me) and his being very intense / requiring communication from me to reassure him that I still love him). Feel free to ask any other questions / post again if it would help, I'm happy to respond as my sister and I have developed various coping strategies over the years!

Bunce1 · 29/07/2022 07:02

It is very very poor of him to bad mouth your mum to you. Very damaging. That’s on him. Not you.

he sounds really quite unstable and unable to keep parent/child boundaries.

16-22 is a very formative stage in your own development and he’s said some really shitty things to you and he has manipulated you to join in. That’s not fair. He’s behaved very badly.

milkyway512 · 29/07/2022 07:04

Whatafielddayfortheheat · 29/07/2022 06:57

Hello. You have NOT caused this. I also grew up in a similarly acrimonious situation, it's very damaging and one of the hallmarks of children in these situations is that they blame themselves and feel misplaced guilt. I'm 37 now and although things have calmed a lot as we are all grown up and the marriages etc (when my parents both attend) are over I still find myself trying to avoid mentioning one parent to the other. And they kick up a fuss about both attending my kids' parties etc which is a stress I don't need.

It is entirely normal to talk to one parent about the other, you shouldn't be feeling guilt about that, so please let it go. They are the ones at fault for twisting your words. Your father in particular is being abusive. I recommend counselling to help you let go of the guilt that you feel - none of this is your fault. I'm sorry this happened to you x

Thank you so much. It’s such a relief to read this and I didn’t know talking about one parent to the other was normal. Thank you

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HumphreyCobblers · 29/07/2022 07:06

I have no relevant experience but I can see clearly that you are carrying a lot of guilt for something that is not under your control in any way. It is not your fault, none of it.

Also shocked by the fact that your father wants you to try drugs. This is appalling and you are so right to resist. He seems extremely manipulative.

ChaToilLeam · 29/07/2022 07:06

Please don’t feel guilty. Your parents shouldn’t be venting to you about each other and your dad in particular sounds like a piece of work, contradicting everything your mum says (mess, phone numbers) just for the sake of it rather than thinking with your best interests at heart. You’re of an age where you can build your own life and decide what relationship you want with them both in the future.

ChaToilLeam · 29/07/2022 07:07

Sorry, meds not mess - autocorrect fail!

BraveGoldie · 29/07/2022 07:09

Testing I can post before writing too much....

milkyway512 · 29/07/2022 07:12

Whatafielddayfortheheat · 29/07/2022 06:59

By the way there are a lot of similarities in our situations, right down to my dad making veiled references to my mum's supposed misdemeanours (which are no -existent and just a way of controlling me) and his being very intense / requiring communication from me to reassure him that I still love him). Feel free to ask any other questions / post again if it would help, I'm happy to respond as my sister and I have developed various coping strategies over the years!

Wow!! That is exactly what he is like!! It’s such a relief to know that this has happened before… he wanted me to tell him whenever I went into London. It was very intense and I wasn’t sure if I was just being too distant. I’m so relieved! What do you do to cope?

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BraveGoldie · 29/07/2022 07:24

OP, it's not your fault.

In many ways it's nobody's fault. Divorce is really difficult. You are essentially asking parents and children to sever their lives in two, the child living both, wanting to be able to be open with both, and straddling two separate lives that used to be one. The parents need to cope with the separation, all the disappointment of a life not worked out the way they want, continue being parents to their much loved children, but only seeing them some of the time, giving up all control for the rest of the time to the other parent who they have painful feelings about. It's really really difficult for everybody. So in some ways it's nobody's fault.

It is DEFINITELY not the child's fault. You are in a very difficult situation not if your making, with emotions from your parents that you shouldn't need to handle.

The parents DO have responsibility though and should have more emotional equipment to make it easier for the child. They should NOT be dumping their emotional stuff on you. You should not feel you need to distance yourself from your dad for your mum's sake as you did at 11. (They had been separated for years - why shouldn't he have interest in another woman? Either way, it shouldn't be the child's problem to disapprove on one parent's behalf). Neither should you have to listen to crap about your mum from your dad. I'm sorry they are putting this on you.

It sounds like at least your father is not doing a great job right now - he is dumping stuff on you he shouldn't. I would suggest, if you feel able to, be really clear with him.

"Dad, when you talk badly about mum it makes me feel awful. It makes me feel torn between you, and causes me pain. I might have the odd gripe now and again but mum is good to me and I love her. I want to be able to talk about my life without you jumping on criticising mum. I don't want you talking negatively about her. If you do, that will cause distance between you and me and I will shut down. I know you care about our relationship. You talking bad about my mum damages my relationship with you so please don't."

StClare101 · 29/07/2022 07:58

Well, I wouldn’t be talking about one parent to the other. They’ve been divorced a very long time and it’s none of the other’s business. Nor would I allow them to talk about the other to you.

Other than that, your Dad sounds quite odd.

Giggorata · 29/07/2022 08:11

Your father wants you to take mushrooms???!??
This is appalling and so wrong.
Any good parent would be extremely protective and wary of their child’s using psychoactive drugs, especially if they already have a diagnosis and are on psychiatric meds.
It makes me suspect that he wants to manipulate you even more when he has got you in a suggestive and vulnerable state.
Please be very careful.

SuperCamp · 29/07/2022 09:09

You have not caused this.

They are using you as a weapon against each other. Your Dad is especially unreasonable. But it is ridiculous for your Mum’s family to reignite a fuse, all getting angry etc.

The way to stop them all behaving so badly is to stop riding to it yourself, shut down any bad mouthing of the other parent and never talk about one parent to the other.

Practice some phrases:

’I’m the wrong audience for comments about Mum / Dad’

’You have been separated for years. I have my relationship with Mum and my relationship with Dad, equally separate’

’I feel like piggy in the middle. Not comfortable so let’s change the subject’.

You can’t defend your Mum to your Dad, you don’t need to.
Never repeat what one parent says to the other.

LooseGoose22 · 29/07/2022 09:18

Giggorata · 29/07/2022 08:11

Your father wants you to take mushrooms???!??
This is appalling and so wrong.
Any good parent would be extremely protective and wary of their child’s using psychoactive drugs, especially if they already have a diagnosis and are on psychiatric meds.
It makes me suspect that he wants to manipulate you even more when he has got you in a suggestive and vulnerable state.
Please be very careful.

This.

There is something badly wrong with your father.

He is not a responsible, decent or well adjusted individual.

I would pursue a very limited, skeptical, cautious relationship with him. If he is needy, demanding, suffocating and treads over boundaries; you unfortunately may not be able to do even that.

I only have 1 post to go on, but your Mum sounds by far the better bet as a parent.

WinterDeWinter · 29/07/2022 09:35

@BraveGoldie's idea of what to say to your dad is good OP, particularly the bit about his bitching about your mum pushing you away.

SuperCamp · 29/07/2022 09:55

P.S You really don’t need to know stories about your Mum that he thinks would make your hair curl.

A) they may not be true
B) LOL: I bet there are things about your teen self that would make your Mum’s hair curl!
C) everyone deserves their privacy. Gossip and snitching are not nice
D) He is saying that to manipulate and weaponise you. Don’t rise to it.

BastardtheCat · 29/07/2022 10:05

It's not you, my lovely. It's not you.

I can't offer better advice than what's been given already, but please be very wary of your Dad's intentions re magic mushrooms. Is he likely to spike your tea/coffee? It's easily done with mushrooms. Does he realise the damage he could do to you?

billy1966 · 29/07/2022 11:01

OP,
You sound do lovely but none of this is on you.

Being in the midst of a poisonous relationship is a terrible weight to carry, you poor pet.

@Giggorata agree.

Be very careful of someone trying to give you drugs and derail your health.

That is no someone who has your best interests at heart.

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