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Lost1967 · 22/07/2022 12:12

I have a son who is an adult he’s just got married. He didn’t invite my husband as he said he doesn’t like him all if a sudden Our relationship is getting worse the older he gets . He’s paranoid keeps on bringing stuff up from the past which has never happened . Accusing me of things that happened to him . He was jealous of his half brother when he was born . We take one step forward then five back . He’s angry all the time and is just mean to me . I have had enough of it all . I love him but I don’t like him very much . He’s suffered with his mental health and has counselling. He told me the counsellor blamed it all on me and his dad which I know wouldn’t happen , I don’t know what to do anymore I’m at a loss but it’s affecting my mental health .

OP posts:
Maytodecember · 23/07/2022 01:42

Lost1967 · 22/07/2022 19:06

Sorry I’m just upset . He says that when he was a child that I gave my other child more attention and love and he feels like I loved him more . Nothing serious but he tries to make out that he was hard done by and that def didn’t happen . He was always jealous of my son as I had married his father.

But it did happen in his mind, to him.
You are really minimising his feelings. You didn’t deliberately favour a baby, didn’t intentionally push your older son out but that’s what he thought, how he felt.
He also told your husband something which was obviously important to him ( your son) and expected it to remain confidential — it wasn’t. If it was something your husband couldn’t keep confidential he should have said that to yoyr son at that time.
I can understand your son’s anger, he’s not being heard.

MintJulia · 23/07/2022 02:00

It sounds like he has finally found the voice to say all the things he has wanted to say since he was a 6yo and you brought a new man and a half brother into the equation.

I'm not suggesting that what he says is true (all or in part) but it's how he felt at the time. And all the things he's felt since and wanted to say, but hasn't.

So now it's all coming out in a rush, it feels like he's rewriting history but he's actually just telling you how he saw it. His view is as valid as yours.

I'd let him get it all out of his system, clear the air, tell him you are sorry if you mistook his distress or you caused him pain, and then try to move forward. Arguing over the past is pointless. He needs to get it off his chest, so let him do that.

Gardenfish · 23/07/2022 02:11

Crunchygrass · 23/07/2022 01:00

@Lost1967 I can see how this must be very hard for you, and heartbreaking, you must feel as though you’ve been trying your best, while still trying to also live your own satisfying life. It sounds as though you feel you can’t win, and with the added complication of his mental illness you might wonder if it has anything to do with your choices at all or if anything you would have done would result in the same sort of anger from him maybe?

I’ve seen this sort of situation a lot before so I am going to share a perspective which I think at least some of which could be true for your son. I’m going to do a translation of how your OP might come across to him if he were to read it, and may also come across to other people who are having a strong reaction against what you’re saying. Obviously this is just a guess, but it’s a somewhat educated guess, and I am not necessarily saying this is what you mean at all, but someone in pain could see it this way. T is for translation:

“I have a son who is an adult he’s just got married.
T -“My son should be mature enough to get over issues from his childhood, there must be something wrong with him that he can’t”

He didn’t invite my husband as he said he doesn’t like him all if a sudden
T ”he doesn’t like my husband for no good reason, this was essentially an arbitrary sudden dislike that does warrant me taking it seriously”

Our relationship is getting worse the older he gets.
T: “he’s bad, he is what makes our relationship bad and I have no hope that I will see him as a good person again, in fact, I predict I will like him less and less”

He’s paranoid keeps on bringing stuff up from the past which has never happened .
T:” his memories don’t match my memory of events, therefore I won’t take them seriously. There is something fundamentally wrong with him, that is why he believes what he believes. There is no possibility, that my memories could be wrong.”

Accusing me of things that happened to him .
T ”I don’t believe what I did, or let happen, hurt him in any deep way, so I’m not really sorry even if I say the words”

He was jealous of his half brother when he was born.
T “look, here’s more proof there’s something a bit wrong with him, I hope you see why I dislike him so much”

We take one step forward then five back .
T “he’s no good, I have no faith he will change and improve our relationship, him being better is the only way our relationship can improve- it’s nothing to do with me or my behaviour. He is the bad one”

He’s angry all the time and is just mean to me.
T “when he is hurting, it’s because he defective, immature and mentally ill; when I am hurting, it’s because he’s cruel and irrationally angry- the poison is in him”

I have had enough of it all.
T “I’ve made a good case of why I shouldn’t love him unconditionally, I have no faith in my son and will leave him in the darkness because it’s him that’s the problem. I do love his brother more than him”

I love him but I don’t like him very much.
T “I don’t love him, but I know it’s taboo to say that, it would make me look like a bit of a monster. I’m not wrong, he’s the bad one, not me”

He’s suffered with his mental health and has counselling.
T “he’s mentally ill, needed professional help, so more proof he’s the problem here. When he’s mentally ill it’s proof I don’t need to take him at his word, but when I’m mentally ill it’s proof he’s cruel to me”

He told me the counsellor blamed it all on me and his dad which I know wouldn’t happen,
T “when he tries to make his case that I bare a lot of responsibility for the pain he carries with him from his childhood, I think he’s lying to make me feel bad. He doesn’t want me to understand how he feel, he wants to hurt me, because he’s bad”

I don’t know what to do anymore I’m at a loss but it’s affecting my mental health .
T “I’ve given up on my son and want to discard him, I can discard people I say I love when they disappoint me. I have another child, another partner, I don’t need him to be happy. In fact, his pain is an act of aggression towards me that makes me mentally ill, because he is bad. Because of that, he not only lost his father figure(s), he will now lose his only mother to the family she likes better. He’s not entitled to love from me unless he’s good, and I predict he will never be good again”

Just one perspective. I may have it completely wrong, but when I hear people talk about these situations, from your son’s perspective, these are the sorts of things they say. Phrases like “I don’t know what to do anymore” or similar, sound innocuous, but they can cause a deep panic in people who have a deep fear of being left alone by the most important people in their lives. He loves you, he’s just stressed you will completely give up on him maybe, and is trying to push it forward a bit so he doesn’t have to live in fear of it. Maybe- the only way to know is to try talking to him, without defending and deflecting, and try to really hear what he’s telling you and accept it as real to him.

This with bells on.

Lost1967 · 23/07/2022 07:25

I have and never gave up on him . We lived happily for years. I have helped him paid for therapy listened to him loved him and I’m always here for him . I went through trauma when my ex cheated while I was pregnant with my second child . I am not looking for any kind of validation here I just wanted to know if anyone else had been through similar . Funny how I’m being painted as some kind of narcissist when he’s dad walked out as a baby and his step dad too but im
the one who is being painted as the only villain . This is suppose to be a supportive group some of the women on here are so righteous they need a halo

OP posts:
Crunchygrass · 23/07/2022 10:53

Lost1967 · 23/07/2022 07:25

I have and never gave up on him . We lived happily for years. I have helped him paid for therapy listened to him loved him and I’m always here for him . I went through trauma when my ex cheated while I was pregnant with my second child . I am not looking for any kind of validation here I just wanted to know if anyone else had been through similar . Funny how I’m being painted as some kind of narcissist when he’s dad walked out as a baby and his step dad too but im
the one who is being painted as the only villain . This is suppose to be a supportive group some of the women on here are so righteous they need a halo

@Lost1967 you have gotten a lot of support here from what I’ve seen. The comments made have generally been thoughtful and compassionate. There may have been a few harsh comments, but by and large this is a gentle a thread as I’ve seen on MN.
It must be difficult to read some of it, but you have come here to discuss a painful problem and people have taken the time and made the effort to try and help, it’s not entirely fair to make a blanket accusation that women are being so righteous they need a halo.

It seems lots of people have been through similar, but from both perspectives, that means you are going to hear the other side of the story as well. You have had what looks to me like some pretty sound advice and insight to work with, several posts have emphasised that while your son’s perspective may well be very wrong, they can see why he might feel as he feels. Listen to this. No one is trying to prove you’re a bad person, a narcissist or a terrible mother (from the comments I’ve read anyway) they are trying to offer you a path out of a painful situation. 95 out of 100 people on here are trying to help, not hurt.

PurpleKite · 23/07/2022 11:40

I don’t see much support for OP, mainly criticism. The OP’s posts are a bit unclear, but it’s also hard to describe a failing relationship with an adult child in one paragraph. Especially when you don’t understand the whys and where’s yourself. But that doesn’t stop people jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the OP even though they’ve never met her or have the full story. You’ll get little or no sympathy or acknowledgment here OP, I’m afraid.

Crunchygrass · 23/07/2022 12:18

PurpleKite · 23/07/2022 11:40

I don’t see much support for OP, mainly criticism. The OP’s posts are a bit unclear, but it’s also hard to describe a failing relationship with an adult child in one paragraph. Especially when you don’t understand the whys and where’s yourself. But that doesn’t stop people jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the OP even though they’ve never met her or have the full story. You’ll get little or no sympathy or acknowledgment here OP, I’m afraid.

That’s probably fair, I think a lot of the posts did acknowledge how difficult it must be but most also came to the defence of her adult child in some shape or form, some being quite critical of her. It is very hard to describe a whole relationship in a paragraph especially when you’re upset. I think one thing that provokes responses presenting the other side so fervently is when a poster doesn’t seem to acknowledge any responsibility at all for the situation in their posts, it might be understandable but it gives the impression their view of the situation is quite skewed. There’s no, “I probably did the new baby more attention” or “I can imagine it must have been really hard to lose his stepfather out of the family, even if it was the right thing to do” or “I can see how his biological father walking out on him as a baby probably still affects him”.
On the plus side, yours is a supportive post. MN is always going to be a mixed bag, even in the very clear cases of an OP being completely blameless.

Snugglemonkey · 23/07/2022 12:29

Crunchygrass · 23/07/2022 01:00

@Lost1967 I can see how this must be very hard for you, and heartbreaking, you must feel as though you’ve been trying your best, while still trying to also live your own satisfying life. It sounds as though you feel you can’t win, and with the added complication of his mental illness you might wonder if it has anything to do with your choices at all or if anything you would have done would result in the same sort of anger from him maybe?

I’ve seen this sort of situation a lot before so I am going to share a perspective which I think at least some of which could be true for your son. I’m going to do a translation of how your OP might come across to him if he were to read it, and may also come across to other people who are having a strong reaction against what you’re saying. Obviously this is just a guess, but it’s a somewhat educated guess, and I am not necessarily saying this is what you mean at all, but someone in pain could see it this way. T is for translation:

“I have a son who is an adult he’s just got married.
T -“My son should be mature enough to get over issues from his childhood, there must be something wrong with him that he can’t”

He didn’t invite my husband as he said he doesn’t like him all if a sudden
T ”he doesn’t like my husband for no good reason, this was essentially an arbitrary sudden dislike that does warrant me taking it seriously”

Our relationship is getting worse the older he gets.
T: “he’s bad, he is what makes our relationship bad and I have no hope that I will see him as a good person again, in fact, I predict I will like him less and less”

He’s paranoid keeps on bringing stuff up from the past which has never happened .
T:” his memories don’t match my memory of events, therefore I won’t take them seriously. There is something fundamentally wrong with him, that is why he believes what he believes. There is no possibility, that my memories could be wrong.”

Accusing me of things that happened to him .
T ”I don’t believe what I did, or let happen, hurt him in any deep way, so I’m not really sorry even if I say the words”

He was jealous of his half brother when he was born.
T “look, here’s more proof there’s something a bit wrong with him, I hope you see why I dislike him so much”

We take one step forward then five back .
T “he’s no good, I have no faith he will change and improve our relationship, him being better is the only way our relationship can improve- it’s nothing to do with me or my behaviour. He is the bad one”

He’s angry all the time and is just mean to me.
T “when he is hurting, it’s because he defective, immature and mentally ill; when I am hurting, it’s because he’s cruel and irrationally angry- the poison is in him”

I have had enough of it all.
T “I’ve made a good case of why I shouldn’t love him unconditionally, I have no faith in my son and will leave him in the darkness because it’s him that’s the problem. I do love his brother more than him”

I love him but I don’t like him very much.
T “I don’t love him, but I know it’s taboo to say that, it would make me look like a bit of a monster. I’m not wrong, he’s the bad one, not me”

He’s suffered with his mental health and has counselling.
T “he’s mentally ill, needed professional help, so more proof he’s the problem here. When he’s mentally ill it’s proof I don’t need to take him at his word, but when I’m mentally ill it’s proof he’s cruel to me”

He told me the counsellor blamed it all on me and his dad which I know wouldn’t happen,
T “when he tries to make his case that I bare a lot of responsibility for the pain he carries with him from his childhood, I think he’s lying to make me feel bad. He doesn’t want me to understand how he feel, he wants to hurt me, because he’s bad”

I don’t know what to do anymore I’m at a loss but it’s affecting my mental health .
T “I’ve given up on my son and want to discard him, I can discard people I say I love when they disappoint me. I have another child, another partner, I don’t need him to be happy. In fact, his pain is an act of aggression towards me that makes me mentally ill, because he is bad. Because of that, he not only lost his father figure(s), he will now lose his only mother to the family she likes better. He’s not entitled to love from me unless he’s good, and I predict he will never be good again”

Just one perspective. I may have it completely wrong, but when I hear people talk about these situations, from your son’s perspective, these are the sorts of things they say. Phrases like “I don’t know what to do anymore” or similar, sound innocuous, but they can cause a deep panic in people who have a deep fear of being left alone by the most important people in their lives. He loves you, he’s just stressed you will completely give up on him maybe, and is trying to push it forward a bit so he doesn’t have to live in fear of it. Maybe- the only way to know is to try talking to him, without defending and deflecting, and try to really hear what he’s telling you and accept it as real to him.

This. He is sharing his reality with you and you don't like it, so you are gaslighting him. You need to listen if you do not want to lose him.

girlfriend44 · 23/07/2022 13:55

enjoy your life, dont give him the power to bring you down.

Whatever it is, is his problem and not yours..

girlfriend44 · 23/07/2022 13:56

Maytodecember · 23/07/2022 01:42

But it did happen in his mind, to him.
You are really minimising his feelings. You didn’t deliberately favour a baby, didn’t intentionally push your older son out but that’s what he thought, how he felt.
He also told your husband something which was obviously important to him ( your son) and expected it to remain confidential — it wasn’t. If it was something your husband couldn’t keep confidential he should have said that to yoyr son at that time.
I can understand your son’s anger, he’s not being heard.

was he a perfect son, nobody is perfect not even him, how about just getting on with living and appreciating your mum while she is here. tomorrow if she isnt you will have another problem on your hands. Youll miss her.

Katherine1985 · 17/01/2023 13:28

DCs can have huge jealousy about a full sibling too! I wonder if it was the upheaval of the loss of his SF during your second pregnancy? The only father figure he’d really known? And it’s got ‘hooked’ onto his memory of you giving the baby more attention at the same time as this loss.

Also, the loss of his second SF shouldn’t be underestimated. I lost a SM who had been in my life from when I was 13-23. It was a phenomenal loss at the time, I still think of her all these years later. It was so abrupt too, and I couldn’t have any more contact with her due to the nature of the split.

Good luck OP, hope you both work it out

Quitelikeit · 17/01/2023 13:42

You won’t be the first mother to have this experience and nor will you be the last.

Dont push back against his feelings. Let him have his say and acknowledge that is how he feels about his life growing up.

You ought to hold your hands up and apologise, explain that you love him, you are sorry and that it was never your intention to make him feel that way.

Tell him you tried your best and you accept that for him it wasn’t good enough and you will always regret that.

His therapist may well be encouraging him to confide in you so that he can get closure. In your shoes I would offer him that. I would apologise and I’d do that to relieve him of his struggles as much as I could.

You might find he has some resentment for some time and I would keep acknowledging that for a while if it surfaces.

Id also ask if he still feels you favour your other son, if he says yes I would ask for specific examples to see if he has a point.

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