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Help with a tricky situation

19 replies

Cinderella185 · 16/07/2022 01:07

I really need some advice on a tricky situation, all opinions will be so gratefully received.

I'm 36 years old, i have 3 younger brothers, and one of my brothers who is 31, is due to get married next month, but I haven't been invited and I need some advice as to what I should do, if anything?

The back story. I met my partner in 2007 when I was 21 at uni, I didn't tell my parents about him as I knew they wouldn't approve for a couple of different reasons.

  1. He has a child
  2. He lived in a shared house with students and didn't have a car and was a tradesman which at the time, my mum didn't think was a good enough job.
  3. My mum found fault with every boyfriend I ever chose for myself.

So I continued to meet up with him in secret without my parents knowing.

Long story short, during a car journey where the whole family was in the car (me, my mum, dad and 3 brothers) an argument happened which I can't even remember what it was about, i think one of my brothers had basically grassed on me for smoking and knowing I was gonna get into trouble for it and given even less freedom and trust and not being able to meet up with the guy I met, it resulted in me saying I've had enough, I'm moving out.

So when we got home, I started packing my stuff, and my mum would come in and out of the room and say I hope you know you can take the cats with you too. I don't drive so it would have meant taking them on the train, I said I would take one cat and come back for the other. I was sobbing my heart out because I didn't want to leave but I was just so sick of all my movements and actions being controlled. I went to a neighbours house around the corner, suitcase in one hand and cat carrier in the other, I phoned my partner sobbing down the phone, and he said I should come to stay with him and he would look after me etc. I got a taxi and a train to his house and we've been together ever since.

There's been loads of times throughout the 15 years of being with my partner that I've tried to make it up with my family and sort things out, including going back home when I was told from my nana that my mum had a life threatening illness (she didn't, it was a ploy to get me home, and i left when i realised, or should i say, i was thrown out by the arm in a vest top and jeans in the winter rain with no phone or bank card after she took them off me) but the slightest thing I do that they don't like, or if I disagree with anything my mum says, then I'm disowned from the family and if my mums not talking to me, none of the rest of the family will talk to me either incase it upsets her.

The year before the pandemic hit, I got back in touch with my parents to try to sort things again after a year or so of not talking again, and I was making a real effort, speaking with them every day and visiting every week. And then one day, I was putting my Christmas decorations up, and it got to 9oclock at night and realised I'd not text my mum (I'd usually text her much earlier than that but I'd been so busy). I checked my phone and had a text from her asking if everything was okay. I text back saying I'm so sorry mum, i lost track of time putting my Xmas decorations up, are you free for me to phone you?. She ignored me, I tried to phone and text for 3 days and got ignored, eventually she sent a text a few days later saying she told herself she wasnt worrying about me anymore. I said, she needn't have worried because if she would have phoned, i would have heard the phone and answered it, but she never phones anyone, they have to phone her. After a bit of back and forth, I just left it eventually.

The next contact we had was when we were all put on lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic. I contacted my family to make sure they were all okay and to check if they needed anything. We stayed in touch for a couple of months. During which time my nana got breast cancer. I was scared we might lose her, she had to have her breast removed and thankfully is fine now but we didn't know if she would be fine at the time and when I would talk to my mum about what my nana might be going through psychologically because of the cancer, my mum would say things like, Oh she's playing on it. And because I said she shouldn't say things like that because if something happens she'll feel guilty, and she went mad and accused me of trying to make her feel like shit. And how no one in her family wants anything to do with me apart from her, and how my dad and brothers always tell her not to bother with me. She shouted one of my brothers in the bedroom and put him on the phone to tell me that they don't want anything to do with me. I was sobbing and just put the phone down. That was in June 2020. I've not heard from them since despite sending mothers day and birthday presents etc.

My little brothers getting married next month, I'm devastated I haven't received an invite, but then again, most if not all of my mums sisters and brothers which are our aunties and uncles (she's 1 of 9) haven't been invited either because my mum doesn't like them/get on with them.

If you haven't guessed from reading by now, my mum runs the show, she decides everything in my family and my dad and brothers go along with everything she wants for a quiet life, and also because they've seen what happens if you cross her, you get disowned for 15 years like me. I haven't spent one Christmas with them in 15 years and we were so close prior to 2007.

I don't know if I've explained all this very well. Its impossible to try to fit 15 years In a few sentences, so much has happened during this time and before that too.

What would you do if it was you, I know I'll be gutted forever if I miss my first little brother getting married, but at the same time, I don't want to go begging and my only way of contacting my brother is through my mum. I'm not allowed their phone numbers and she made them all block me on social media years ago.

Any advice would be much appreciated, and sorry its so long.

OP posts:
Aquamarine1029 · 16/07/2022 01:15

Never contact them again. They are nothing but poison in your life, and you going to this wedding is not only highly unadvisable, an invite is just not going to happen. I do recommend you start therapy to process all of the damage you have from being treated so horribly.

LeavingAtLast · 16/07/2022 01:22

Aquamarine1029 · 16/07/2022 01:15

Never contact them again. They are nothing but poison in your life, and you going to this wedding is not only highly unadvisable, an invite is just not going to happen. I do recommend you start therapy to process all of the damage you have from being treated so horribly.

100% agree with this OP. I’m sorry

TheWayoftheLeaf · 16/07/2022 01:22

I'd never speak to any of them again. Your mother is a narc and your family aren't worth your love. She's emotionally abused you. Duck them all

Cinderella185 · 16/07/2022 01:28

That's how I feel half of the time, that I never want to speak to them again, but the rest of the time I spend missing them, but everytime we get in touch, it generally lasts a few weeks before she falls out with me again, and I end up in a pattern of being happy/then depressed again, which is why I stopped trying so much recently.

I think you might be right about the NPD, I've done a lot of reading on this over the years and it fits the bill with a few of my family members on my mums side, but do I just accept I don't have a family anymore? I don't have children yet because I've been told that if I have kids with this man that I've been with for 15 years, they won't have grandparents or uncles.

I really appreciate all the replies and advice, thank you so much.

OP posts:
Weenurse · 16/07/2022 01:32

You are the scapegoat child, everything is your fault. You can’t change that so don’t try.
I am a big believer in Karma, it will come back to bite her.. Don’t give in when it does.
Live your best life

SummerWhisper · 16/07/2022 06:57

That statement about you not having children yet (essentially because of your morher) is so very sad. Why not make today the first day of living your own life? You and your partner sound lovely. If you want children, go for it. You will have more than enough love in your life with your own family and you must cut the toxic apron strings loose and go no contact with your mother. Stop being pulled in the wrong direction and start living your best life from today.

JustLyra · 16/07/2022 07:02

Please get counselling. Proper decent therapy.

I spent quite a long time letting history of my abusive parents affecting my life until I did. It was incredibly hard, but massively worthwhile.

KellyJonesLeatherTrousers · 16/07/2022 07:10

Your mother has controlled your feelings for far too long. Cut yourself free of this utter rubbish completely and enjoy the rest of your life OP. Have your own family if that’s what you want - they don’t need grandparents or uncles, certainly not toxic ones.

Maybe write a card for your brother to wish him a lovely wedding day.

Well done for following your heart despite your cruel mother. So sorry you were left homeless by her hand, this told you everything you needed to know about her. Go forth from here, stop subjecting yourself to her and focus on you and your partner.

CornishGem1975 · 16/07/2022 07:16

They sound like truly awful people and given how they've treated you for decades I don't know why you would even want to have them in your life for a minute. Cut them out for good, and move on. I don't believe all the crap about family being the most important thing, my family is the family I've made for myself - my husband and friends. Just because you're blood related doesn't make them good people.

vdbfamily · 16/07/2022 07:28

I think your mother sounds highly toxic and if you were to attend the wedding there would be drama that will spoil the day. Write him a lovely card wishing him love and luck in life and telling him you care and are sorry how things have turned out.

Fabswingers · 16/07/2022 07:33

I seriously would just not give a fuck. Just because they are family doesn’t mean you have to love them, it doesn’t sound like they love you.

Stop contacting them and forget about them, go live your life, you don’t need them bringing you down like this.

I wouldn’t even care about the wedding if I’m honest, your brother doesn’t have your back. Seriously I’d just fuck the lot of them off and don’t understand why you didn’t do that years ago

oviraptor21 · 16/07/2022 07:39

Everything in your post is about your mother who, yes, you should go no contact with.

What are your feelings about your father and your brothers? Are they complicit or are they in an awkward situation and just doing what they have to do in order to survive? Do the brothers all still live with your parents?

Does your mother open all their post? Could you send a card or a letter to your brother? Presumably he is going to move out and can then make his own mind up about whether to re-establish his relationship with you?

Cinderella185 · 16/07/2022 11:54

Thanks for your replies everyone. My dad isn't my biological dad but has brought me up since I was 2 so i do see him as biological, ive never met the biological one because he was abusive to my mum before she got with my dad. My brothers don't have the same dad as me but again, we were brought up as full brothers and sisters and they didn't know anything about it until they were about 16.

Everything in the post is mostly about my mum, because she is the one controlling everything. Even when i was 21, I was expected to give new potential boyfriends her phone number and pretend it was mine, so she could talk to them and pretend to be me so she could find out if they were decent suitors, this went on for years until I told her I didn't want her to do that anymore, and again that caused a fall out.

Two of my brothers still live at home, the one who's getting married just moved out into his new home with his fiance a couple of years ago. They've been together nearly 15 years, since school. I don't know his address even though I've been there once when I was talking to my mum, I can't remember the exact location.

My mum would absolutely open their post, but I do like the idea of sending a card so I think I will do that and hope that he gets it.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 16/07/2022 15:02

As above. Please access really good counselling/therapy

Your family is highly toxic and you are all in thrall to that awful woman.

Uncles/Aunts and Grandparents are a bonus not a necessity - your children would be fine without them but are there any on your DP's side?

And where is he in all this? He must be fed up with your family still having such sway

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 16/07/2022 18:04

my only way of contacting my brother is through my mum. I'm not allowed their phone numbers and she made them all block me on social media years ago.

They are pathetic cowards or they don’t care about you, OP. Either way, enjoy your life with DP, and don’t let your relationship with your mad mother stop you having children if you and DP want children.

Jibbajabba1 · 17/07/2022 10:41

ah I can kinda relate, have similar characters in my family! I think the other posters are right, your mother and brothers all sound toxic. Can’t believe she used to call your boyfriends - you don’t deserve any of that - try and see them for what they really are x

follygirl · 17/07/2022 10:52

My mil is a narcissist and after over 20 years of trying to please her I lost my temper and gave her a few home truths. Unfortunately as she is a narcissist she is unable to see my side. This was 3 years ago and I'm completely NC. My husband has been doing a gradual phase of NC. His siblings have completely taken their mother's side (very common) and don't speak to us anymore.
Personally although disappointed in their behaviour (I have hundreds of texts from my sil moaning about mil) it is actually normal in this situation.
I feel a lot better and more importantly my dh does. I say more importantly for him as it's his parents not mine.

something2say · 17/07/2022 10:59

Hi love xx the only thing I have to add to this great advice so far is - process the disappointment, loss and grief. You don't have a lovely family, it's OK to be desperately sad and disappointed about it. Going back to have another go at flexing to make it work won't work. I know because I've been there. Focus on the wounds it had left you with. Turn away from them and towards your own life.

It is sad yes. But you are not alone. And you must build your best life despite this - let it be as it is, you understand she is the problem, you don't need to be around people who for an easy life present you as the problem, and if it never changes then sad as that is, the best thing to do is assimilate it and move on.

You don't go back to the place that hurt you to seek happiness x

follygirl · 17/07/2022 11:01

I found this interesting, I'm sure you'll recognise a few phrases narcissists use:

•	It is not a big deal.
•	It is your fault.
•	I was just joking.
•	Don't get upset over nothing.
•	You are imagining things.
•	Don't be so sensitive.
•	Why so defensive all the time.
•	I didn't say that.

I plucked up the courage to tell my mil that my dh has suffered from depression all his life due to her behaviour. Her response was to dismiss it and to tell me that her other 3 kids were perfectly fine. I replied that 1 had a serious coke habit and had tried to kill himself but that statement was ignored. She lied to my dh about things she said to me. Demanded to see our dc and then didn't really engage with them, it's all about appearance and not that she's actually interested in them.
My dh has weekly counselling sessions and is getting better but he knows this will be a life long commitment.

Your mother doesn't deserve you. She has poisoned you for too long, I really hope you walk away. Your siblings could grow a pair and get your phone number from your mother. The fact that they haven't speaks volumes, they are being controlled by your mother.

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