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How can people have so little self awareness?

14 replies

Chewzy · 15/07/2022 14:01

I'm really irritated with a friend who appears to expect the utmost loyalty and attention but clearly isn't bothered to give it in return.

She talks a lot about loyalty about "good people, good friends" about trusting people etc. And then she doesn't seem to reciprocate. It's like she genuinely has no self awareness. Everything she's doing on her life is all consuming and she expects all of this understanding. She will give support and understanding at times, but only if she can empathise with that particular problem, other times, she is aloof to it.

The most recent thing is she organised a 40th birthday celebration for her husband which involved an overnight stay. My husband had something on that weekend which he attends annually but cancelled so that we could attend this celebration. Much of it was happening outside and the weather forecast was grim so we literally didn't know whether it was going to go ahead or not until the actual day. We had other things we could have done that weekend but we still waited and then spent Saturday morning packing like lunatics for an overnight stay with 2 very young kids. It also cost us money. But we were happy to do it for our friends and we all had a nice time. She however didn't speak to me until the second day, seemingly annoyed with me for suggesting she rearrange it for another weekend when the forecast was better. She seemed to not be able to appreciate the fact that we had turned up anyway!

It's my husband's 40th birthday tomorrow and so I've organised a meal for friends and family (which i will be paying for) and although initially, my friend said she could make it, she now says she has her weekly yoga class at that time.

Am I being unreasonable here to expect her to just cancel it in light of our commitment to her husband's birthday which actually cost us money and meant that my husband missed an annual event for it?! I'll be honest, I'm really annoyed. She says she will come after yoga, but everyone will have eaten by then.

She would notice if someone treated her/ her husband this way but she seems to have no self awareness when she's doing it to others.

She's not a narcissist either. She can be really empathetic, but at other times, it's like she's absorbed in her own world and other people's special occasions and needs just don't exist. I see elements of ASD (I see a lot of this in my field of work), but surely she can recognise that this is a bit disappointing of her.

She has also said that she will come over to our house after the meal with her husband and children but we really don't want the hassle as we were planning a romantic evening at home once the children had gone to bed. But to her, this seems to make perfect, logical sense. It's not that she's a bad person, but I find her behaviour difficult at times when I know she would be grumpy if someone did it to her.

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Chewzy · 15/07/2022 14:01

I guess I just need to rant.

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IncompleteSenten · 15/07/2022 14:02

Tell her.
Point it out to her with examples.

JunieBabes · 15/07/2022 14:03

She sounds a nightmare and not much of a friend. Sounds like someone who has been spoilt all her life and thinks the world revolves around her!

godmum56 · 15/07/2022 14:04

why do you stay friends?

JauntyJinty · 15/07/2022 14:05

Let me guess - when she's "really empathic" is she also really loud and public about it?

AnneLovesGilbert · 15/07/2022 14:05

People behave like this because they can, others let them. What stopped you saying “Joan, we made a huge effort to be there for your DH’s birthday, we knew it meant a lot to you. Yoga is a shit excuse now it’s my DH’s birthday, come on”?

Acheyknees · 15/07/2022 14:08

I agree with PP that you are allowing her to treat you like shit. She wants to come after yoga, you just say no, that doesn't suit us. She wants to come to your house, no, another time maybe, we have plans.

Mally100 · 15/07/2022 14:11

She's actually not a nice friend and you are making far too many excuses for her. Empathetic people don't pick and choose. Your friend sounds like she participates only if it suits her. Stop enabling her, that's the only way she is getting away with it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/07/2022 14:12

She sounds like your bog standard selfish and self absorbed person who you are in a one sided friendship with. She does not care about you or anyone else but readily swoops in to "rescue" them (showing them how clever she is) and maintain her own image of being a good person. A friend who accepts your support but consistently fails to reciprocate, especially when you need it most, will not have your best interests at heart.

Why are you friends with someone like this?. Why have you tolerated this from her at all?. Look again at your boundaries and shore them up some more.

I would drop this supposed friendship immediately along with not readily ascribing ASD to any part of her behaviour. Ultimately you cannot count on someone like this so don't.

Chewzy · 15/07/2022 14:17

I struggle with it so much as she is very selective about who her friends are, only liking people she considers loyal and trustworthy. I can't fathom why she then behaves the way she does. In some ways she has a heart of gold- she will post cards if she knows I've had a bad day and bought me a chocolate cake over recently because I was upset about something and left it on my doorstep.

I feel very confused with her.

She isn't someone who is charismatic or has lots of friends either, she mostly keeps herself to herself but she is so self serving in some ways.

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Chewzy · 15/07/2022 14:19

Also, I have said no to her suggesting coming to the house after the meal. She has been really understanding about that in response. It's difficult as in some ways she's very reasonable and thoughtful and then in others, she's totally bizarre.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/07/2022 14:20

Such types are designed to bring confusion in their wake. You really should not concern yourself unduly why she acts the ways she does and in any case that is not your fault or doing. All you need to know is that she does this because she can and that other people have allowed her to do this without censure.

I would still drop this friendship as this is really a one sided friendship.

NoSquirrels · 15/07/2022 14:21

She’s got no problems in telling people if something doesn’t work for her, or she wants something doing a particular way.

Embrace that! It means you can also tell her, as bluntly as you like ‘No, that won’t work for us.’ Tell her it’s fine not to come to the birthday meal, although you’re disappointed and DH will be too. But it’s not fine to come to your house after because that doesn’t work for you.

Wait and see how she reacts. Then carry on the conversation as necessary.

NoSquirrels · 15/07/2022 14:23

Chewzy · 15/07/2022 14:19

Also, I have said no to her suggesting coming to the house after the meal. She has been really understanding about that in response. It's difficult as in some ways she's very reasonable and thoughtful and then in others, she's totally bizarre.

There you go! She’s fine with being told. That’s how she thinks things should be. The issue is in a mismatch of expectation around social niceties.

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