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Yellowflowers4 · 10/07/2022 06:43

Good morning

I'm looking for some advice please. For 18 months I was involved with and had a ten month relationship with someone who likely has a cluster b personalty disorder. He was beyond your average jerk. He played alot of nasty mind games. He was a compulsive liar. Liked his women. Obsessed with an ex partner. Angry. A sober alcoholic. Did alot of story changing. Leaving put details. Confusing me. Putting me down. Trying to make me feel I needed to change my appearance. Draining my money. He had me buying his food and paying his bills for 8 months because he was unable to work due to his health.

The relationship was up and down and that made it hard for me to get out. But 13 weeks ago today I left his home for the last time and didn't return. He kinda helped me in a way because he blocked me everywhere so I couldn't communicate.

The problem was he had his passport. All his paper work. Jewellery. Photos. Paintings. Some clothes and other sentimental bits at my house. He wanted them stored as his landlord was taking him to court (6 months didn't pay rent and landlord wanted him out) but also I honestly don't know the extent to his debt. He owed hundreds in council tax and I believe it was them that threatened to take valuables from the property.

After we broke up I sent him a list of the things he promised to pay me back for the following week. On the 4th May he was due to pay me £500. He had various things from me that month. On average he was having £500 a month from me including food and only paying me back £350-£400. My money was draining away. But I felt I had no choice as half the time his electric was off. Also I didn't realise during the relationship how abusive it was.

Obviously the money didn't arrive. But from a week after we separated I asked him about his stuff. I gave him various offers in the first 6 weeks. I only could do this via email and when that was ignored I went to a male cousin of his and he did his upmost to help. But My ex started attacking his cousin verbally and saying it and between us. He then told him I was mad. I was immature. Out of order. His cousin tried to say I just wanted to sort the property he had with me and the money. Eventually they fell out. The cousin cut him off and my ex got angrier towards me but didn't communicate.

I sent him an email polite and to the point every 4 weeks (4 in total) I was ignored.

I was told via mutual friends he had left the property eventually and took a few bags around the corner. We presumed he'd been housed by the council and I awaited a message regarding his stuff. But nothing came.

3 weeks after this I was sent a photo of him stood outside my friends house with a new woman. I didn't particularly want to see this but it upset me and once again I tried to get him to email me about his stuff. I wanted him fully out my life. He ignored me. So I spoke to a female cousin of his. She's been nice to me and did warn me how he was. She's the only family member he has left. All others have cut him off. She told Me to send it 3 hours to her. He apparently agreed to this.

I told her no as it contained alot of glass.
It would be a nightmare for me as a non driver to get it weighed.
I'd need to go to town and buy bubblewrap etc.
It would cost me alot of money.
I'd need to arrange a courier after all that and I'd never done it before.
It was heavy.
I'm busy with My own life. He lives in the same town.
Why should I do anything else. If he wants to send it to her he can collect it and do it.

She responded he's sofa surfing and has nowhere to live. She then said it looked like I was holding on. I was then sent a screen shot of her saying I was nuts and hanging onto him.

The next day my ex finally got in touch. He said you have been reported today for harassment! I have a crime number.

I sent him an email with his stuff in my garden behind a bin and said come and collect it today. He didn't turn up. I was told by the male cousin the female cousin said he was working away all week. I said I'll put it out at rhe weekend then if he's back. No confirmation of him being back. I qas ignored and stuff has not been collected.

I never heard from the police. But I'm feeling anxious. He's being very sneaky and very clever. He's also lying. I have all evidence of emails so I'm not worried. I've not once said anything about our relationship or anything with any emotion since April.

What do I do at this stage? Should I get advice from someone? I'm just distressed by the whole thing. He's sofa surfing at rhe homes of ex addicts and thieves. I'm still finding out lies. The most recent one is the car he told me has been in the garage for 2 years was sold by his ex. He apparently owed her alot of money (she weirdly is his friend still)

I'm fed up I am not from his walk of life. He has a history of fighting. Drink driving znd car crashes. I didn't know all this until it was top late.

Any advice I am desperate.

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Albgo · 10/07/2022 08:58

Personally I'd send one last email saying he can collect any time (with notice) for the next month (or two months or whatever timeline you choose). Tell him If not collected by then you will be putting everything in the bin. And follow through. His life crap and belongings are not your problem or responsibility. Stop feeling like it is. If he really cares about his property then he'll pick it up. Honestly this has taken up far too much if your head space already.

Yellowflowers4 · 10/07/2022 11:39

I've tried all that too. I'm between a rock and hard place as it could come back down on me massively if he can say to people my ex threw my dead mums photos in the bin. Its awful and to be honest I have more respect for his dead mum. I feel I could get myself in alot of trouble. But 10000%% he's taken up enough of my head space. I'm trying my best to get him away from me.

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ArtistViv · 10/07/2022 11:55

I'd send the passport to the passport office. If any of the paperwork is bank stuff, I'd hand it into the relevant local bank branch. And tbh at this stage, I'd bin the rest. Let him say what he wants to people - god knows it sounds like you tried to get his stuff back to him. Who would these people be - people who he might tell, that you binned his photos etc? Are these people whose opinion you'd even care about? Nah, exactly. I think you've been through enough already with him, don't you?

Once it's all gone, then there's no more wondering about what to do. Imagine how good that will feel, OP.

Wishing you well 🌻

ShandaLear · 10/07/2022 11:58

Stick the whole lot in the loft (or bin it if you’re brave enough), block everyone on everything, and move on. Birth certificates and passports can be replaced quite easily if they need to be so don’t worry that you’re preventing him from going on a dream holiday or getting a driving licence. If he wanted his stuff he’d have come and got it. If you haven’t binned it, keep/sell everything of value and bin the rest. I don’t know why you keep trying to do right by him when he really didn’t do the same for you. He has treated you badly and owes you money you’re never going to see. You owe him literally nothing - no time or consideration. This should not be taking up space in your brain. The only reason I can think that you are continuing to engage is because you still want attention from him.

SortingItOut · 10/07/2022 12:05

I'm so pleased you finally got away from him. You posted so often about the issues in your relationship.

You emailing him constantly is harassment, the reason for the email is irrelevant.

I would message the cousin who you do speak to and get their address (the other cousins address) to send the passport and photos of the late mother and anything else you can.

If any photos are in frames remove from frames and store between 2 pieces of cardboard before you post.

Then see what you're left with and whether any of it canbe binned.

He is leaving his stuff with you as a way of controlling you still and its working, look at the angst you've gone through for the last 3 months and you're not even together.

Do not keep his stuff at yours,it's like keeping a piece of him in your house still.
Maybe part of you is hoping he'll reach out,promise to change and life will be happy ever after.

Yellowflowers4 · 10/07/2022 12:15

I don't want attention at all. I spoke to the police the day he claimed he reported me. They said harrasment would be several emails and calls and texts a day. I dont think an email 4 weeks regarding the stuff is harrasment. How can anyone be harassed for someone trying to return stuff to them?

The cousin I talk to won't have his stuff. They fell out over all this. He wants nothing to do with him. I've already stated above I'm not posting frames etc. It's also money I just don't have. I've got 2 children and I've been in my overdraft for months because of him lying about money. The whole thing has affected My life and I can't express enough how I dont want his attention. The thought of even seeing him again makes me anxious. I hope our paths never cross for a long time. I'm just trying to do the right thing long term so that My life will be peaceful.

I will just put the stuff away in the loft as he's clearly not going to give me any adult information.

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offyoufuckcuntychops · 10/07/2022 12:21

Its stuff he definitely needs back

Then it's his problem, not yours, OP. If he can't be bothered to collect it, the best thing to do is exactly as you say - put it in the loft and forget about it, and him.

Please try to put him out of your mind as much as you can, and move on. Agree with PP that you'll unfortunately have to write off the money.

Yellowflowers4 · 10/07/2022 12:26

I certainly will thank you. I just wanted to make sure nobody knew of any laws etc or ways this could come back onto me. I'm just trying to protect me and the kids from anymore.

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wellhelloitsme · 10/07/2022 12:52

3 weeks after this I was sent a photo of him stood outside my friends house with a new woman.

I was then sent a screen shot of her saying I was nuts and hanging onto him.

I'm still finding out lies. The most recent one is the car he told me has been in the garage for 2 years was sold by his ex.

Who is telling you all this shit / sending you pictures / screenshots?

Tell whoever is continuing to tell you all this / sending you this stuff that you don't want to hear / see it.

If you don't have an address for anyone to send it to, put it in a box in your garage or loft or that of a friend / family member who has space for it and then leave it.

No more contact with him or his family.

It's done.

And please please get some counselling to avoid this happening with another abusive man again, especially as you have children.

Counselling will give you an outlet for talking about this and clearing your head which you need because at the moment you're still in the what the fuck just happened stage where thoughts are racing around your head and it becomes almost obsessive thinking about it.

Your kids deserve a mum who is healthy, happy and has solid boundaries. You deserve to be that person too.

Please do considering some counselling to unravel. I think it's always worth it after an abusive, toxic relationship.

Yellowflowers4 · 10/07/2022 13:23

I've had some therapy and watching you tube videos. I am so so so much better than I was. Thank you. I agree and I will today is the start of me moving on and stop feeling that pressure that I need to solve this situation. It's controlling.

I have told everyone and blocked links now to him. Inwas devastated to see him with another woman. The feeling just sent a numb shock through me as she was holding his dog lead like I used to. I was ok after a day or so but it definitely set me back. Inwas weepy for a couple of days. .

Exactly My kids have got my full attention now and I'm determined to be happy for them. I was turned down for free Councilling via NHS as they said my case is too complex. Alot of stuff happened. She listed all the types of abuse to me and said she was horrified I couldn't see how abusive it was.

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Yellowflowers4 · 11/07/2022 07:13

Hello I'm just trying to bump the post again..

Can anyone advise me on this police matter. I've not heard from the police. But I'm anxious due to the nature of him that he could set me up. How long will his "crime number" be available and if he's doing this online could he just send old things to them?
I know I've not harrased him. The reason he's reported me a week ago was his female cousin was arguing with me that he hasn't got a new woman and I said to her he has because he keeps standing outside my friends wall with her. I did send his cousin that picture and she ofcourse showed him. It was just a moment of frustration because he's always lying.

The male cousin who's always been on my side didn't answer me at all this weekend! I'm just genuinely anxious even though I know I've not been pushy or abusive. I feel that I handled it like an adult with the 4 emails I did send.

I think I may call citizens advice today. Would that be wise?

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Ultimatebetrayal · 11/07/2022 07:26

Why are you encouraging all this drama.

Stop engaging with the cousins. Stop messaging him. Block them all on everything.

If the police were in the slightest bit interested they would have been in touch by now. Even if they do get in touch they are going to tell you to stop contacting him.

Shove his stuff in the loft or cupboard for now. If he's not been in touch in 3 months bin it.

You are engaging. Forget him. Who cares is he has a new woman. Be grateful because that means he's focussing on her and not you.

SortingItOut · 11/07/2022 07:32

Any report of a 'crime' is given a crime reference number but that does not mean it's an active case.
To start with their would be information gathering and then the officer dealing with it would decide whether a crime appears to have been committed and if so it would then become an active case.

Keep all the emails, texts etc and if you can screenshot and keep somewhere safe.

Don't engage with his cousin, just leave it all behind you, tell your friend to not tell you if she sees him.

It doesn't matter if he has someone else, all it means is he has found another mug to put up with him and fund everything.

SodapopCurtis · 11/07/2022 09:03

He hasn't reported you. If you've put the stuff in the loft forget it. Forget him.

If you want one last email, send one daying you require a fortnights notice and then an agreement in time for collecting his stuff.

Attempts on the doorstep will be treated as a police matter. And then grey rock. No more communication until it is agreeing a date and time for collection. No more discussion on where he is.

baileys6904 · 11/07/2022 09:24

Ring the police and ask advice. Say about the abusive relationship but you have his passport and valuables and would like to hand them in to them for safekeeping to stop any accusations being made towards yourself. They should be able to resolve or signpost

Yellowflowers4 · 11/07/2022 10:56

Thank you. I will give the police a call again. I'm not trying to encourage drama. It's not in my control how he is doing things.

Thanks for all Advice.

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isthismylifenow · 11/07/2022 17:52

Yellowflowers4 · 11/07/2022 10:56

Thank you. I will give the police a call again. I'm not trying to encourage drama. It's not in my control how he is doing things.

Thanks for all Advice.

It is in your control though OP.

It is up to you of how to move forward. That isn't up to him.

But you seem to be continuing to contact his family. You need to make a conscious decision to stop focusing on this issue now.

Phone the police and ask about the crime number. You have all the records of contact, so even if it's not a threat, you have covered yourself.

So you have somome irl that you can chat to?

Jewel7 · 11/07/2022 22:40

Personally I think he is still playing games as he wants you to keep contacting him. Post back any essentials to any friend or family member. Then move on and block him. Do not contact him ever again. Personally if your renting together I would choose to move!

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