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Lost on what to do

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AnonSS · 05/07/2022 12:11

I don’t actually no what im looking for in writing this. But I’m lost, I no longer no what to do.
It’s a long story, but I guess this is a snippet…
We dated for 6 months, it was a whirlwind, falling in love, so quick, so hard. I thought he was perfect. We knew we wanted to get married, so we had all the conversations we could possibly think of to get to know each other, likes, dislikes, aspirations, wants, future – you name it.

There was one condition on his side though to us getting married. His mum had to live with us as he had promised to look after her / support her (she is in her early 60’s, divorced, and she doesn’t always keep well, he told her to stop working and he would support her). I agreed, from what I had gotten to know, she seemed nice. Bit in your face and loud, but I took that as a positive that she was friendly and excited about me being part of the family.

Within a year, we had dated, gotten engaged and married.

I then moved in with them (culture doesn’t allow you to move in pre wed).

There was obv an adjustment period, their way, their home, me moving in with my ways etc. But something changed. The bubbly mother in law used to just put a lot of demands down on how she wanted things done in the house. She was always itching for time with her son, always imposing on our date nights, wanting to come along. It got too much and I made the mistake of telling my husband the things that were bothering me. Maybe I nit-picked too much, but he didn’t take kindly to hearing all these things.
I noticed his mood changed, we had never really argued, but we were then always bickering. Then it happened…the first big argument. I don’t even remember what it was about, but he lost it. I had never in my life seen anyone get so angry. He flipped, so much so, all I remember was freezing, seeing him come towards me, and me getting myself ready for him to hit me.

He froze, he saw how scared I was. He immediately retracted and told me that he gets angry (a trait I had never seen before or known about), but he swore he would never hit me.

I believed him. But I was confused on this anger, I had never seen it. I thought it was a one off (boy was I wrong). In my head, all I thought was, I hadn’t seen it in all this time, this is the worst its got to be. I really thought it was a one time thing.

Sadly, this wasn’t the case. I quickly learnt my husband had a huge anger management issue. I have had to witness him jump out of a car whilst we are driving mid arguing. I have to watch him scream and shout to the point I am beyond terrified on what he will do. I made the mistake of saying that we shouldn’t walk away from an argument, we should really try to resolve things. But that has meant that I have had to stay and watch him self harm (because he has promised to never hit me, he believes that only way to control things is by hitting himself, or as he says punish himself). I watch him stab himself with keys, smash things on his head to the point he is bleeding. Rip the clothes that he is wearing to pieces. Throw things. The list goes on. All the time, I am not allowed to walk away due to one comment I had made a long time ago.

Along side this, my mother in law quickly realised that I no longer tell my husband the things that she says to me as I can see it gets him upset. So she has spent all this time saying things to me behind his back, when he is not around. Shes told me that she will be bringing up my children, and not her (I haven’t allowed this to happen). She has told me that the house my husband and I own is not mine, it is hers to and I’m just there to pay the bills (She has a share in the house but we pay for everything). She has told me that I need to learn to manipulate my husband the way she does. (she won’t let go of him, as her other son doesn’t really want to have that responsibility to look after her, and she has no one else). She has told me that my husband will always choose her over me.

Dealing with both husband and mil has gotten too much for me.

I have tried everything I can think of to resolve these issues.

  1. I have sat down and spoken directly to my mother in law

  2. I have sat down and spoken to her with my husband (she point blank denies that she has ever said or done anything to me and so my husband says he doesn’t no who to believe as he hasn’t heard the things being said first hand)

  3. I have told my husband he needs to go to anger management counselling or I will leave him (he went to x2/3 sessions and said it wasn’t for him)

  4. I have sought counselling for myself to find ways of coping.

  5. I have pushed and gone for marriage counselling. – sadly the counsellor was terrible and basically didn’t say anything to my husband, but instead told me I need to be empowered to speak up when I am not happy about things (which I have been doing), we eventually stopped going

  6. I have separated from my husband and told him we need to be apart (I thought if he saw what he was missing with myself and our children it would help him to come around).

  7. I have made my boundary clear by stating that I want us as a family to work, but I can no longer live with his mother.

Sadly, the separation, my making my terms (boundary) clear was more than 8 months ago. I have made every effort to say lets reconcile, but hes basically said he is unable to tell his mum that she will not live with us. So we are currently living separately and nothing is being done to resolve this matter.

Do I keep fighting? Despite his anger, I think we could make it work. I truly believe his anger is all learnt behaviour, but also frustration from him on his upbringing and being controlled by his mother for so many years.

Our marriage isn’t great. We now tip toe around one another, we don’t really speak to each other unless its about our children. We have the odd good days, where we laugh, and don’t have an argument / bicker, but its very seldom. Im on such a high on these days, but im quickly brought back down to reality when I say something that I haven’t said correctly, or im asked why I have done what I have done. Or im told off about something.

I just feel like we haven’t given ‘our family / marriage’ a chance to work without the constant third partiy being there.

I don’t even think I have written half the story here, its all so bits and pieces of the struggle

I don’t want to share my children, I no they won’t be happy doing that. I have done everything in my power to protect them (they don’t see the issues, I ensure both parents play an active part in their life). But ultimately, I know if we were to divorce, my children would not like to be with my husband without me being around.

OP posts:
Fushiadreams · 05/07/2022 12:16

You can’t bring kids up in this chaotic environment with a father like that. The mother is the least of the issues here. How damaging for children to witness him like that, hurting himself and screaming. It’s a form of abuse, intended to scare and manipulate you.

it’s not learned behaviour it’s who he is. He’s a very unwell man. So you need to stay away, for your childrens sake. Even if you personally are happy to take his abuse.

Musti · 05/07/2022 12:16

Hi op. He is abusive and you’re walking on eggshells. How old are you kids? Where do you live?

AnonSS · 05/07/2022 12:36

My children have never seen this. He himself knows that its wrong, he doesn't want them to ever see the way he gets.
i agree this isn't really to do with the mil, its just added to it all and for me, the reason why this has all stemmed. I do believe alot of what he does is learnt behaviour, and hes so scared of upsetting her, that he can't put us first. I appreciate what im asking for is a BIG ask. To break a promise he has made to her.
I guess she was right when she told me he would always choose her over me. I never believed it.
But i seem to still be living in hope.
I no hes a good guy, but i think he just has too much pressure put on him.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 05/07/2022 12:40

Why on earth would you stay?

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 05/07/2022 12:42

Op, he's not a good guy, why on earth do you believe this?! Because that's what he told you when you first met him and he love bombed the shit out of you? Come on. He's an aggressive, bullying, spoiled mummy's boy.

You have to get yourself and your children away from him. Are you working? Are the kids at school?

You would probably benefit from speaking to women's aid.

Pinkbonbon · 05/07/2022 12:46

OK he doesn't have anger issues, he has abuse issues. He is not abusive because he is angry, he is angry because he is an abuser.

Please get yourself out of this environment. You were conned by the whirlwind. I'm sorry but it wasn't real and if you keep chasing the person he pretended to be in the beginning, you will ruin your life.

You made a mistake marrying an abusive man. But you can choose to leave. What's a few years down the drain in comparison to a lifetime? Get yourself out ASAP.

Relationships shouldn't be a fight. They should be as easy and comfortable as breathing.

This man is dangerous. His mum is just icing on the cake.

Get out op before he actually hits you.
Or worse, before you end up pregnant and trapped.

Pinkbonbon · 05/07/2022 12:58

You'd actually probably be more at risk I his mum wasn't there. I suspect he holds back on the violence because she is. Really op she usbt your problem. You are bending over backwards making ridiculous excuses for this bully of a man.

All the better if you leave and your kids don't want to see him. Fantastic. They shouldn't be around an abuser anyway. Don't kid yourself that they don't know. They know you are being hulled and they see you stay and tolerate it. What kind of message does that send them? That is OK to abuse people! And that if they are abused, thry should stay and make excuses for their abuser and be miserable their whole life. That's so toxic.

Teach them that people should leave abusive partners. Not hang around making excuses for it. Or 20 years from now, your kids will be abused by their partner and the cycle will continue. And what can you do or say then? 'Oh don't stay' 'But, you did' 'I was wrong, you deserve better' 'Then...why didn't you believe that about yourself mum?'

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 05/07/2022 13:05

Are you in the UK? If so, please contact women’s aid. And importantly, are the children with you, as they should be?

You have to get yourself and children away from this violent man. It doesn’t matter that he hasn’t hit you or DC yet. They shouldn’t be witnessing his rage. MIL is a nightmare too.

If abroad, can you get back here with DC? Others here will know what you need to do.

hotcoldnotsold · 05/07/2022 13:09

Oh this is not a life, it's a prison sentence. You need to find ways to secure your future and your children's - this will never ever change. He's a mother enmeshed man (when children take on the role of spouses for lonely parents - very unhealthy) so damage is too deep, he will always prioritise her over his family of choice and resent/fight you for making him choose between you. To his mum you're competition and to him, you're just a cover of normalcy to hide his extremely dysfunctional relationship status.

Also he's got a temper and is too emotionally unwell to be a good father or partner. Make arrangements to leave - this will never improve. Read Kenneth Adams' Married to Mom to understand how hopeless your situation is.

kewgirl · 05/07/2022 13:10

He is a piece of rubbish
Find someone else
No one deserves this

AnonSS · 05/07/2022 13:12

Children are 3 and 1. If i left, i will have to share them. I can't do that to them.

He hasn't done anything to them. He loves them, and me.

Hes just trapped with us on one side and his mother on the other.
Im sorry, i no it sounds like im protecting him, but i really understand it from his point of view. it cant be easy

OP posts:
hotcoldnotsold · 05/07/2022 13:15

Also look up emotional incest because that is what his mother has done to him. It's absolutely awful to live with and really nothing you can do to change it. He will need years of therapy with a counsellor who specialises in enmeshment but essentially his entire identity has been shaped to be his mum's spouse and he has no way of freeing himself to be his own person. A lot of cultures have this problem and I'm really sorry you're caught up in this. Please just leave him to save your sanity.

Watchkeys · 05/07/2022 13:19

I have tried everything I can think of to resolve these issues

He's abusive to you (and your kids, whether they've witnessed him being violent to you or not)

You are not the one who needs to try to resolve the problems with his personality. Your responsibility in life is to make sure that you and your kids are around people who treat them well. He is not doing this, and so you need to not be around him.

It's not complicated. It's hard, but simple: He is abusing you, and abuse victims need to leave, rather than trying to fix a mess they are not creating.

hotcoldnotsold · 05/07/2022 13:19

AnonSS · 05/07/2022 13:12

Children are 3 and 1. If i left, i will have to share them. I can't do that to them.

He hasn't done anything to them. He loves them, and me.

Hes just trapped with us on one side and his mother on the other.
Im sorry, i no it sounds like im protecting him, but i really understand it from his point of view. it cant be easy

Except he will eventually do to your children (particularly if you have a girl) what his mother did to him I.e use them as emotional support, turning away from you and treating them as his spouse. Because that is the only way he knows how to parent as it's all he's experienced. And then the cycle repeats for another generation. Empathy is not enough to keep you and your children safe and in a healthy environment. You can't fix him.

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