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Wedontbelonghere · 04/07/2022 22:11

Hello, please bear with me, I find it hard to articulate this issue, but it’s been bothering me for a long time.

in essence I don’t feel like I belong / fit in, especially as a family unit everywhere. I am a people person. I love people, and company, and I’m fairly confident socially and also probably too loud. I’m a professional now but previously a sales back ground which suited me down to the ground. I’m from a very staid middle class family and although they are wonderful, they are very straight, and proper and don’t like to socialise and are very quiet. Parents and sister all educated privately. I went to a really awful state school, where i was bullied for being posh until I practiced fitting in, and then had a great and wild time growing up in the nineties.

DH is from northern working class background. Trade. The only person in his family to have a job, own his own house etc. only one to still be married to mother of his children. He also has a diagnosis of ADHD.so he’s hectic and also loud. And full of northern working class banter. He works very hard, he loves his kids, and we have a good life and managed to live in a very nice house in a naice village, in the south, having pulled ourselves out of the rough town we went to school in.

But we don’t fit in. The demographic has changed here from when we arrived. It’s gone from little village of farming community, to full of very nice city people who have escaped London. A 3 bed semi is £400k. It’s people with corporate jobs they pretend to hate with an artistic hobby. Like being in a band or painting. Everyone is nice and friendly but then we see that they are all meeting up in groups and have bbqs at the weekends with the kids and we’re not invited. The kids all have sleepovers and my girls are desperate to go but obviously because we don’t fit in, my DC are excluded too (I must add they do get lots of play date invitations and I reciprocate etc and I always get feedback that they are well behaved etc, and school say they are well behaved). But it’s not the same when their friends are all off on camping trips and family holidays etc

we have lots of friends ourselves individually, but none with children the same age as ours (we had children late and our old friends have mostly grown up children now). Yes we could move back to our old town, but we don’t fit in there either. The crime rates are high, and some of our friends there, while lovely, are not raising their children the way we would like to have role modelled for our children.

On my side their are no cousins or other children, and it’s just not a fun environment for children. It’s so stuffy and staid. And DH’s side is full of conflict ( not with us) and drama and behaviour we don’t want our children around.

i yearn to have a family group or some friendship group for days out, and camping trips and picnics and rounders and general innocent childhood fun. But I just can’t seem to provide that and it’s breaking my heart.

im so lucky to have my mum, and dad and lovely sister, I feel awful for feeling like this. But I just don’t fit in anywhere. Everyone says ‘just be yourself’ but then they don’t really want you to be. And now my poor DC are suffering….

can anyone relate or suggest what I can do to help?

thank you for your patience if you got this far

OP posts:
MaxOverTheMoon · 04/07/2022 22:28

I relate OP. I had a 'rough dad' and a wannabe mc mum and went wild to fit in as a teen. As a mum I have always been a mixture of library and park mum mixed with pub mum and never fitted in with properly with either group (although I do have a really solid female friendship group with people I went to school with we just didn't have dc around the same time as I was 17). I have loads of fun with my mum pub type of friends but I don't drink every day and I have a professional job and brought my dd up in a way they don't bring theirs up, similarly I'm way to rough to be besties with my mc professional friends. The only relationships I've had have been with tradesmen, I like a builder, but I couldn't invite my work friends/ or mum friends from my dds sport round for a bbq as they'd be really disapproving at the music, the jokes, the swearing and smoking. My beer fear would be too much to handle!

I can't be as wild as some of my friends, I wouldn't be able to hold my job down and be a good mum. Sometimes I'm quite envious that I didn't learn how to do eyebrows or start a cleaning company as then I could be as classless as I like without the worry - and I do worry as I'm very loud and do things that I find hilarious when drunk but if they were recorded and sent in to my manager it wouldn't be good!

lothermand · 04/07/2022 22:41

OP do you feel you don't fit in practically, or is it an emotional feeling?

I don't feel I fit in/belong anywhere. I am older with adult kids, and now realise that my 'issues' are due to CEN (child emotional neglect) I was incredibly close to my mum, never questioned anything until I explored much deeper, and that's when I discovered I fitted the profile of someone with CEN down to a T.

Wedontbelonghere · 04/07/2022 22:57

Thank you both for responding, and for giving me your experiences and insights.

max - you have described just my situation

lothermand - I think it’s practically really. The people who accept us for who we are, don’t actually behave in a way we find acceptable around children. And the people who are Parenting and raising their children the way we are with the same expectations of behaviour and morals and education level / ambition etc, whilst are friendly, don’t invite us into their groups because we’re too loud / brash / common and of a lower educational level than them.

whilst I can accept that people can be friends with who they want. And I have loads of friends so can take it all on the chin. My poor DC are being left out because they have parents which don’t fit in.
and I don’t want to take my DC to hang out with people who behave in ways we find unacceptable (or unsafe).

it’s like we’ve worked really hard to better our living standards and give our DC a good life and opportunities DH didn’t have. But still don’t fit in. I almost think we’d have been better to have had the DC when we were 18, and get a council house and just bum around on the dole like loads of our school friends did. At least we’d then have a bunch of friends for the kids to grow up with.

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lothermand · 04/07/2022 23:22

My ex partners family were loud, vile language but would do anything for you..I couldn't have my kids around that swearing (I'm no prude believe me) so I disassociated myself at the expense of cousins for my kids, they've survived as adults, I don't regret my decision.

Maytodecember · 05/07/2022 01:31

I can relate but won’t be of any help I’m afraid
I also live in posh, overpriced southern village, where any social activity revolves around the church ( no thanks) or horse riding ( at least a couple of kids ride their horses to the village primary fgs ) My Manc accent sticks out like a sore thumb, I’m sure it gets me looked down on, yet academically I’ve probably got higher qualifications than most of my neighbours. I hate the place and spend hours a day on RightMove.
Sorry, I’ve no useful advice , but commiserate.

lothermand · 05/07/2022 07:01

I also live in an affluent area, no formal qualifications, but I do ok. I don't fit in, but I'm at the age that I don't care!

The UK is all about class and money, but one does not buy the other. I wouldn't want to fit in with either of these types (I couldn't if I wanted to!) so I find where I feel comfortable, that'll do..

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