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Difference between emotional abuse and not being good at emotions

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Gutted2022 · 02/07/2022 23:40

I know this might seem obvious and it should be obvious to me at my stage. I’m 39. I’m trying to process the end of my relationship with the person I thought was ‘The One’. We’ve been together almost two and a half years. We met right before COVID. I thought I’d met the love of my life, based on the feeling I had. He told me he loved me after about a month and it was pretty intense but after about four months he started to get annoyed with me over things that I didn’t think anyone would ever get annoyed over. He didn’t shout or anything. He would go quiet so I knew something was wrong. He would take longer to reply to texts. Sometimes he wouldn’t reply to a Good morning text for two hours even though usually he’d reply straight away. That sort of thing. Go a bit cold etc. Just generally be silent or moody seeming. I’d ask what was wrong and he’d say nothing until I pushed and pushed. It turned into a pattern but then it also extended to when I hadn’t done something wrong. But even the things I’d done ‘wrong’ weren’t wrong by any normal standards. He would seem dismissive of me, ignore me but not really, go cold etc. It always felt like I couldn’t quite put my finger on why I felt bad. He then started to say he had questions about us working out but he would never tell me exactly why. It was always too vague and I felt like I was always guessing what it was and trying to fix the problem I thought it might be. I also asked if he thought we should break up when he’d say things like that but he always said no. The hot and cold became more cold gradually but I loved him and thought I just wasn’t fixing the issues well enough or I wasn’t listening to him. I should say for context that I grew up in a violent home and was in a violent relationship for most of my 20s. I’ve had various short term inadequate relationships in the meantime. I thought we were it. I realised lately that I felt horrible pretty much all the time. Nervous and anxious, checking my phone to see if he’d responded , rereading messages to see if there were signs. When we got together at first we didn’t have sex for quite a while because he said he couldn’t perform when he really liked someone. Then about a year in the sex became pretty irregular and rare. I kept asking what was wrong but he wouldn’t tell me. He just kept saying that for him sex is psychological. He was mostly really affectionate and said nice things. He kept agreeing to move in together and then backtracking. He just broke up with me but says he still loves me but he’s convinced it won’t work. The breakup was actually caused by me saying he was treating me horribly and I couldn’t put up with any more disrespect. I wasn’t rude about. I somehow thought he’d have more respect for me if I stood up for myself. He gave some vague other new reasons for questioning our relationship such as there are things I think are dangerous that aren’t dangerous. He didn’t give me an example so I’m guessing but I think he meant things like if he’s going off on a hill walking trip I tend to say ‘Be careful’, and something to do with me not knowing an important detail about my best friend (she refuses to tell anyone, not just me). Anyway if you’ve gotten this far, I suppose I want to know if that sounds toxic or if it’s just someone going off someone and having trouble processing it himself. I just feel gutted and I feel like I’ve been treated horribly for a long time but I just don’t know for sure. Can there be an overlap? Does anyone have experience of that. I’m just gutted and trying to get my head straight. Also he always told me he loved me and was saying it first until very recently.

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Closetbeanmuncher · 02/07/2022 23:51

Dear god I hope that isn’t you with a name change firekitten.

DelphiniumBlue · 02/07/2022 23:53

Yes, you have been treated horribly, no doubt about it.
This guy is toxic and it sounds like he has been treating you badly for most of the relationship.
Move on.

RiverSkater · 02/07/2022 23:56

This man is a Manipulative narcissistic who can't meet any of your needs, emotionally or sexually.

Pleas set your bar higher, this man is a poisoned chalice. This will not get better. Please, just leave.

DivorcedAndDelighted · 03/07/2022 00:00

It sounds like an unhappy relationship, a poor match, and you've dodged a bullet. I'm not going to jump to saying "emotional abuse" because a) I don't really understand the way some people use the term so I might get it wrong, and b) it doesn't even seem relevant frankly, because this bloke and you were just not getting on. Why on earth would you want to continue this relationship? It sounds like he was not making you happy emotionally or sexually. It shouldn't be this much hard work.

He would go quiet so I knew something was wrong. He would take longer to reply to texts. Sometimes he wouldn’t reply to a Good morning text for two hours even though usually he’d reply straight away. That sort of thing. Go a bit cold etc. Just generally be silent or moody seeming. I’d ask what was wrong and he’d say nothing until I pushed and pushed. It turned into a pattern but then it also extended to when I hadn’t done something wrong. But even the things I’d done ‘wrong’ weren’t wrong by any normal standards. He would seem dismissive of me, ignore me but not really, go cold etc. It always felt like I couldn’t quite put my finger on why I felt bad.

Someone who does the silent treatment and you have to push to get them to say what's wrong? Good grief, that was wearing when people did it in secondary school; why on earth would you bother with a grown man who is behaving like that? Stick with him and you'll h face years of walking on eggshells, trying to work out what he's unhappy about this time.

At this stage, you're not tied into a relationship - you're trying to discover how compatible you are. That includes things like whether you want sex a similar amount, and whether you make each other feel comfortable, happy and secure. You're supposed to be finding out if the shoe fits, not hacking lumps off your toes to make it fit!

Hoolihan · 03/07/2022 00:01

You are so so much better off out of this.

Besttobe8001 · 03/07/2022 00:50

Love is actions, not words.

Love is feeling safe and happy.

Love is not:

Walking on eggshells
Second guessing yourself
Feeling bad without knowing why
Feeling anxious about the other person

Noonereallyinteresing · 03/07/2022 00:58

Well done for recognising this isn't real love.
Move on hour by hour. Acknowledge that he has treated you terribly. You're not the first and you won't be the last. Focus on you now. Keep busy.

Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 08:46

No, Closet, I don’t have any other threads if that’s what you mean. I did make a thread about three years ago but that wasn’t my name.

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Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 08:53

@RiverSkater I’ve been trying to work out if he is narcissistic or something but I don’t think so or at least right now I just don’t want to believe it. It would make it easier for me though if I thought there was nothing I could have done. That all my responding to his issues was doomed to failure but I just keep thinking if only I’d said this or that. It’s exhausting.

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MoneyTreePose · 03/07/2022 08:58

The relationship makes you feel bad and confused so that's the reason to walk away.

You don't need to perfectly understand everything. and maybe you can't when you're in the middle of it. Trying to 100% if he has the ''right'' to withdraw, if you are being sensitive or reasonable, maybe you can never figure these things out, so just stop trying and ask yourself, do I feel good, carefree, supported, heard, seen? The answers are no, no, no, no, and no.

So that is the information you need. It's not a court case. Your barrister doesn't need a strong case to allow you to walk away.

You just need to tune in to your feelings. It doesn't feel right. You're not happy so what's the point.

It really is that simple but over time in a relationship it can begin to seem more complicated but it isn't.

Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 08:59

@DivorcedAndDelighted The shoe analogy makes perfect sense. I suppose I didn’t feel like I was hacking pieces of my foot off, more so he never told me what the shoe looked like in the first place. The hard part is that for the most part we were getting on and it seemed perfect but I was very happy when it was going well but there was always this intense agony because there was something wrong and I felt a breakup was hanging over me. I’ve started to think about it all and realised maybe I was just so in love I didn’t notice that he was being silent or had one foot out or was angry until he went really really silent on me.

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Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 09:00

@Besttobe8001 Thank you. I’m trying to remember all that. It hurts to think of it now but maybe it wasn’t love after all.

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MoneyTreePose · 03/07/2022 09:02

Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 08:53

@RiverSkater I’ve been trying to work out if he is narcissistic or something but I don’t think so or at least right now I just don’t want to believe it. It would make it easier for me though if I thought there was nothing I could have done. That all my responding to his issues was doomed to failure but I just keep thinking if only I’d said this or that. It’s exhausting.

It doesn't have to be something he's done.

You're going to drive yourself crazy if you focus on who has the right to feel aggrieved. Who has the right to walk away.

From what you've said, I think communicating through the medium of The Silent Treatment is horribly cold at best and at worst, abusive, so all you need to focus on is This doesn't work for me.

Silent treatments, withdrawing, mixed messages, they do not work for you.
They leave you feeling confused.

Do you think the point of relationships is to leave you feeling unsupported, full of self doubt and confused? I would bet that you acknowledge that that's not the point of relationships.

If you are doubting yourself, let that turn you OFF
If you feel confused by him, let that turn you off.
If a man tries to train you never to raise issues by using the silent treatment, get turned off.

You tried to connect with him and he withdrew. That's everything you need to know.

This didn't work for you.

Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 09:05

@MoneyTreePose Thanks. You’re right. And I definitely didn’t feel carefree or supported or seen and I had started to ask myself whether the heartbreak now would save me 30 or 40 years of heartbreak if he just stayed with me. When I wasn’t sure if we were breaking up I realised I was panicking at the thought of staying together even though all I wanted was him to say he’d made a mistake and I was the love of his life. I suppose what I’m really trying to work out is was his behaviour acceptable as someone not being able to process their own feelings or was it something more toxic that I failed to spot. I’m terrified of making the same mistakes over and over again.

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BreakinbadBreakineven · 03/07/2022 09:08

You (rightly) called him out on how he was treating you and he didn't like it. Rather than address the issues you had with him and apologise, and commit to improving the relationship, he has tried to save face and make you question your view of his behaviour. This way you will question your feelings about his treatment of you and possibly then try to save the relationship by backing down. Win win for him. If you do try to get back together he will have avoided having to address and change his behaviour and you are less likely to raise it again. If you don't, he retains his pride because technically he dumped you for vague reasons that he's pulled out of his arse on the spot. Basically he is unwilling to communicate on issues within the relationship and instead sets a hard line which you can choose to toe or not. My ex is like this. You are very much better off out of it.

cottagegardenflower · 03/07/2022 09:26

You've made the mistake again of choosing to fall in love with someone emotionally manipulative and abusive. He's gaslighting you big time. You need to get out now and work on finding out what a healthy relationship looks like. This isn't one and it will destroy what's left of your self esteem.

Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 09:36

Thanks @cottagegardenflower That’s my biggest fear, that I thought he was the one but really I was just repeating the same old patterns. For a while now my self-esteem has been on the floor and I couldn’t work out why I felt so bad. I was starting to hate everything about myself, especially my appearance because I thought that could be the problem, but I couldn’t make it all make sense.

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bloodyunicorns · 03/07/2022 09:40

He sounds awful. I'd get counselling or do the Freedom Programme so you can spot an abusive relationship early and raise your boundaries.

Stop worrying about him and think more about you. Are YOU happy in a relationship? Do You feel supported, safe, looked after? No? Then talk to your p, say what you need. If he can't meet your needs and is making you feel bad, then leave.

frozendaisy · 03/07/2022 09:46

As you say you realised

frozendaisy · 03/07/2022 09:53

As you say you realised you felt horrible all the time.

He sounds mean, cruel, nothing to love there.

When you date again make sure the rest of your life is full so it doesn't matter if Mr X is in it or not. One toe over the sulking control line and get that Mr X gone or at least make it damn clear that sulking will not work with you. Mr Frozen tried sulking once. When he realised I was unaffected and made it perfectly clear that sulking is what your friends are for the wind was taken out of his sails. Never happened again.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/07/2022 09:58

You need to be single for now because your boundaries, already skewed by previous abuse, were further messed with by this abusive man now. This person targeted you and deliberately so.

Do work on you through counselling and therapy to recognise abuse. The Freedom Programme is worth doing here for yourself as a starting point.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 03/07/2022 10:22

OMG, I remember the cold treatment so well! I met Mr Perfect, 6 weeks of love-bombing bliss. Then I started (supposedly) always doing the wrong thing, always offending him, always being just that little bit irritating.

Took another 6 weeks for me to give up hope. (This was decades ago. I’d never heard of love-bombing etc.) Weeks after we split up, he rang me all friendly and chatty. I didn’t fall for that again!

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SkeletonFight · 03/07/2022 11:05

Look at the positive here - you knew it was wrong and you challenged him. Like the prick he is he didn't like that and has withdrawn as punishment. Men who do this - make you end up questioning yourself when it is THEIR problem are sick fucks like my ex H. It is a form of torture on a daily basis. Nothing you would do or say will ever make it better. Enjoy your freedom- it really is HIM and not you.

Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 13:58

@MoneyTreePose
If you are doubting yourself, let that turn you OFF
If you feel confused by him, let that turn you off.
If a man tries to train you never to raise issues by using the silent treatment, get turned off.

This is really good advice, thank you. I will remember it.

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Gutted2022 · 03/07/2022 14:01

@AttilaTheMeerkat The terrible thing is that I've done the Freedom Programme. I thought I'd never get into another bad relationship again. But I'm starting to see that it was my fault. I stayed for far too long when I wasn't being treated properly. I suppose whether it was emotional abuse or not is beside the point. I'm looking into therapy. I don't think I can work it all out by myself. Thank you.

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