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Told to pick my battles

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Coatdegroan · 01/07/2022 20:21

Name change
Will try and keep it brief.
I grew up with an alcoholic father who died a few years ago of hypothermia, after collapsing in his garden on his way back from the pub. He was in his 60s and I had been low contact for several years, couldn't face how ill he was, didn't know what to do to help. It was the best way for him to go. He was much loved by many.

He wasn't an awful dad but I probably don't need to describe my childhood. My cousin is also an alcoholic. I was extremely close to my cousin but he became hostile a couple of years ago and having lived with us for almost a year and drank any alcohol of ours and paying no rent, accused us of owing him.money. This cousin has recently got back in touch and is going to AA and realising the effect of his behaviour. Really positive.

This is background to explain my fears and experiences around alcohol addiction.

This said, DH and i have always drunk a glass or 2 of wine with our supper. I have recently felt that I really don't want to do this and would like to just drink once or twice a week. I am finding it hard. Which only tells me that it is rhe right thing to do.

DH does not want to cut back and feels very happy with his drinking levels. I have noticed that it can be a little more than a glass or 2 especially as he has been under a lot of pressure lately, also he sometimes has a little glass of vodka last thing at night. I am finding that I don't enjoy conversation with him when I am not drinking. He is certainly not drunk, and one good thing about him is that he always always stops after supper (until the vodka thing started, which is right before bed I think..?).

He also falls asleep after supper nearly every night which means we don't spend much time together. I then go to bed early and he goes to bed extremely late. I am a light sleeper and he often wakes me up even though he tries to be quiet. He says this is his sleep pattern and he can't possibly change it. His mums pattern is exactly the same.

It has been getting me down, so I tried to bring it up tactfully this evening. He said he thought it was me projecting my own fears around alcohol, that he doesn't drink too much and I should "pick my battles".

I already felt like I had picked my battle and I'm not really prepared to take this as a final statement on the issue. How can I proceed without this turning into a row?

The falling asleep on the sofa I can just about live with as I have plenty of interests. But I'd really like him to try 2 nights a week without drinking at all. His parents drink a steady amount and are both ancient. My parents both died very young. Maybe he feels his consumption is acceptable because his parents seem to thrive upon it. Am I being controlling? Feeling sad and confused.

OP posts:
Lillylight · 01/07/2022 20:58

Has he ever given you reason to worry about his alcohol intake? For example does he become abusive in anyway? Or is it more of a health issue that you are worried about? I can’t be around my DH when he’s had a drink as he becomes someone I dislike. It’s a constant area if conflict for us.

GreatCrash · 01/07/2022 21:01

This has to come from him OP. It needs to be his decision. I think that's what he meant by "pick your battles".

driedgrassinavase · 01/07/2022 21:04

I don’t have any advice for you helpful bump though

7679aga · 01/07/2022 21:27

I think i would maybe ask differently i.e i would really appreciate you helping me to cut down on my drinking i thought we could try a day or two a week alcohol free.
A glass or two depending on size is between 3 and 5 units and vodka again depending on size is 2ish for 50ml logically thats around 50 units of alcohol a week which is hugely in excess of guidelines around drinking (14 units) making it high risk drinking. Your not being unreasonable to query it but he may not wish to change it as to be honest it sounds like a problem.

Coatdegroan · 01/07/2022 21:44

@Lillylight no he doesn't. Mostly just a little bit chatty and jokey. Which is great once a week, but annoying on a Monday or Tuesday. I'm finding I don't want to be around him on a school night, but no nothing abusive. Its more that I worry about what it might build up into, and the fact that it is literally every night which is clearly above the recommended units. Occasionally he is more prone to arguing after drinking, but rarely. I am sorry to hear you are finding this a problem. Is it an every night steady thing or an occasional binge for your DH?

@driedgrassinavase this is pretty much how I have presented it. I think l will leave it with him and hopefully he might mull it over.

@GreatCrash you're right it has to be something he wants to do. If he doesn't want to do it I will continue to not drink on weekdays myself. I think it will affect our relationship if he decides just to carry on as he is. It's his choice though.

Thanks for your replies.

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Coatdegroan · 01/07/2022 21:56

Oops @7679aga @driedgrassinavase I tagged the wrong people there! Thank you both anyway.

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Lillylight · 01/07/2022 22:00

For me it’s the binge drinking. My DH seems to not be able to moderate alcohol consumption. It’s rare he can have only a couple and if he does stop himself he’s often not a good mood. I had an online chat with someone of the alcoholic anonymous website which was helpful. Have you tied that??

KissThaRain · 01/07/2022 22:03

Could you both try alcohol free wine apparently it tastes like wine

pointythings · 01/07/2022 22:09

Not having any alcohol free days isn't good. Your DH's drinking, while excessive by current standards and not good for his health isn't (yet) totally dysfunctional - but the slippery slope is there. You'se sensible to take some time out from alcohol.

My husband didn't respond well when I changed my drinking habits, but he was already a full blown (120 units a week) alcoholic at that point. Yours may respond differently, he may not. Ultimately what matters is that it will make you feel better.

I have to disagree about alcohol free wine - it's shit. AF beer is a lot better.

Coatdegroan · 01/07/2022 22:11

@KissThaRain thank you for suggestion but for him it would be a total no.for me I am happy with soft drinks or tea when I have decided to have an alcohol free night. Or i do actually really enjoy fizzy water . Alcohol free just isn't the same and if rather have something totally different @Lillylight not tried that but will bear in mind. His drinking is very consistent and only a bit over a sensible amount. I am keeping fingers crossed that he is a reasonable sort of man, he may say he's not going to change a thing but he might think it over and cut back if I leave it be.

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Coatdegroan · 01/07/2022 22:13

@pointythings haha well put.

In @KissThaRain 's defence they don't appear to have tasted it.

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Coatdegroan · 01/07/2022 22:14

And @pointythings sorry to hear of your situation

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GlamorousHeifer · 02/07/2022 07:47

You do sound controlling to me OP.
You were, up until recently quite happily drinking the exact same quantities with him, you have now changed* *how you feel about it.....he hasn't.
You said yourself his parents drink similarly and are perfectly fine so he's grown up with a moderate drinking pattern being normal, he's not abusive or wasted every night.
If you don't want a drink, don't have one but I wouldn't keep bringing it up, it's your issue......not his.

Aprilx · 02/07/2022 07:52

Well I think the expression “pick your battles” is being used in the wrong context here, but I don’t think his choice of expression is really the issue.

Your husband drinks a couple of glasses of wine a night, I wouldn’t assume that he has an alcohol problem by that. If you want to not drink a few days a week, then you don’t have to, but I think it is up to him whether he decides to do the same.

Daisydoesnt · 02/07/2022 07:53

OP I don’t think you’re being controlling and I’m sorry I don’t have any words of wisdom for you.

he's grown up with a moderate drinking pattern being normal

Its completely not true to say that 2 glasses of wine per night and now a vodka too is a “moderate drinking pattern”. It might be common or not that unusual, but by any health measure it is excessive.

harriethoyle · 02/07/2022 08:02

Gently, and as a fellow daughter of a late alcoholic, I think you're being a little bit controlling. A glass or two of wine a night with supper is reasonable in my view and you can't impose your abstinence of your DH. I totally get why you feel like this though. After my dm died, I stopped drinking on week days because I'm determined not to repeat the same pattern. It was HARD to start with! But now it's just the norm and I don't even think about it. You may find as your abstinence continues your DH naturally joins you because there's less incentive to open a bottle for one. Mine did and rarely drinks week nights now or has s short rather than wine. Best of luck going forward, it's a tricky road to navigate.

layladomino · 02/07/2022 08:05

Parts of my background are similar to yours, and I would feel the same as you. Having seen the awful damage that alcohol addiction does (in the short and long term) I would be worried about where it will end for him, but also day to day now.

The go-to phrase of the addict is 'I could stop if I wanted to, but I don't want to'. Completely swerving the issue of whether or not they could actually stop. I would hope that, knowing your history, and the fact he is drinking an unhealthy amount your husband might realise why you would be raising this, and would have some alcohol-free days if only to reassure you that he isn't addicted. That would be a very small concession on his part and really helpful to you. Which then makes you think that he can't actually stop.

Well done for making changes yourself. Of course you can't force your husband to change, and so you can only decide to continue to do what's right for you, and to decide that, if his drinking starts affecting your quality of life (more than it already does?) then you would have a point at which you would walk away, to preserve yourself.

SaintHelena · 02/07/2022 08:41

Seems you hardly see each other - are there other aspects you can change eg out for a run or walk in the evening together - if you stop drinking there is sober time to fill.

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