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I just found out I was groomed

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Saltysweets · 29/06/2022 23:20

Hello,
Just needed to talk to someone. Apologies, that it’s quite long. Please read and help me think through my next steps though. I have no one to share this with

As mentioned in the title, I’ve just found out in a counselling session that I was effectively groomed age 16 to the man I’m now married to for 15 years.

My husband is 9 years older and is a well respected man in the community with a rather well-paying job. When I met him aged 16, he was then aged 24 and had been working as a physio after leaving medical school. I remember him being rather cocky and cool. Was continually pushing my boundaries and he confused me a great deal when he said he loved me when he was already in a platonic relationship with another girl (also my age!).

I remember being so confused as I wasn’t looking for a boyfriend and had only wanted a shoulder to cry on as I was being bullied at school and had very low self worth. My parents were emotionally distant and cared more for my sisters than me and I was desperate for some affection that I could get anywhere.

A few months after I turned 21 (legal age for marriage in my home country) he insisted I marry him when I asked him to wait. He got angry and caused a big fuss. He wouldn’t take no for an answer and we briefly broke up. He came back to me and got me to agree somehow and we married in secret with our friends as witnesses. I told my family and his family didn’t know for three years after!.

At this point, I’d moved to UK to be with him and almost immediately he turned controlling and abusive. He’s never once hit me, but has shouted at me, hovered over me, manipulated me into doing things and controlled our finances. 8 months into the marriage, he made me have an abortion. I regretted it greatly and was traumatised.

I’d felt deeply unhappy during every one of the past 15 years. After two kids (10 & 4), during the pandemic, I’d decided I had enough and got myself a job after a decade of being a SAHM.

Next, I secretly contacted a Domestic Violence charity and started counselling sessions with them. I’d mostly thought he was abusing me emotionally and wanted help dealing with his narcissistic personality through the sessions. After I detailed how I’d met him, my counsellor pointed out that he had groomed me. I couldn’t say I was exactly shocked, as I knew he was an expert manipulator.

I grieved in secret for a few weeks over not finding out sooner and having fallen for a predator. I’m just thinking what now? What do I do now that I’ve accidentally discovered that my marriage was based on a relationship I was groomed into?

Ive thought about confronting my husband and revealing it to him, but am aware that he will either deny it or say it was unintentional and that he actually did/does love make. He could get more abusive in turn.

I do not want to divorce him although I dream of finding someone my own age sometimes. The thought of starting all over as a single parent is also appealing to me.

I should add that he can be rather nice and charming most of the time. I have also learned to stand up for myself and oppose him these days.
I’m still confused as to what I need to do though.

Is there hope for a marriage like mine? Any advice?

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Saltysweets · 01/07/2022 14:59

Thank you to everyone who replied. ❤I’ve had a roller coaster of a time the past few weeks as memories from 15 years ago came flooding into my mind as I relived certain moments which I now know is abuse.

It has been hard for me to come home and play wife knowing what I know now. I can’t bear to be touched by him or look him in the eye. My husband generally thinks that I’m in one of my moods and hence why acting weird. It’s been hard keeping things to myself and processing everything on my own.

Im so grateful for everyone here who stopped to comment and encourage me. I don’t feel so alone anymore x

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Pinkbonbon · 01/07/2022 15:02

FYI him makingout that you are in 'one of your moods' is just typical abuser behaviour to make tou feel like tyou don't haave a right to be hurt by his behaviour. Abusers like to make you out to be oversensitive or overreacting. All part of their con. They want you to think you are the one with the issues. You are not.

Saltysweets · 02/07/2022 15:41

@CheeseandBeetrootSandwiches

Thank you. We are both Christians, and while I have a strong faith I know that I can leave if I want to. I just don’t think I have it in me to make it on my own unfortunately 😔

I’ve always said to myself that if he ever started being physically violent to me or the children, that I would leave without a second thought. The truth is that he is too clever and will never hit me or the children; all his abuse is covert and invisible. I keep saying to myself that what I am going through isn’t half as bad as some other women are having to go through.

My only option perhaps now is to continue focusing on my own growth and build my self confidence up. There maybe years of therapy ahead to reclaim what this abusive relationship has stolen from me. I spent years trying to be a better person so he would call me a good and perfect wife 😞

I realise now that he’d brainwashed me so much that his word was the law. I’m working on slowly changing that

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Saltysweets · 02/07/2022 15:51

@MaChienEstUnDick @stayingpositiveifpossible

Thank you. I have just looked up the freedom programme and ordered it.

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Pinkbonbon · 02/07/2022 16:26

He isn't actually a Christian op. Jesus would be disgusted by the way he treats you and I'm sure would be the first person to tell you to value yourself because you are precious and you deserve to be loved. And that life is a god given gift and we shouldn't waste it with people who mean us harm. He'll get his judgement one day and be found wanting.

And know that you don't have to make it on your own. The are services you can reach out to. Womens aid, solicitors, police (if need be). What about family, friends, your local church perhaps?

If you qre a Christian then you know that you are not on earth to serve a man. You are on earth to do good by the grace of God. And if some nasty person is draining the life out of you...Well, how will you pour from an empty cup?

How can you manifest good in the world if there is someone intent on dragging you into the darkness.

Often people who are off the devil claim to be of the light. The way you can tell who they are is how they treat others. This man will drag you into dark, so that you cannot be free to shine your god given light out in the world. He commits a sin not only against his wife but against god by abusing you.

You are not alone. Just reach out for help and you will find it. And I faith in yourself. Because there good lord has faith in you and wants you to live in the light, surrounded by people who choose to put good fourth . Not in the darkness, surrounded by those who wish to stamp out all that is good and kind and loving in this world.

Choose yourself. Strive for freedom from those who would pull you and all the world asunder. You can do it. God be with you.

Tuters · 02/07/2022 16:54

Saltysweets · 01/07/2022 14:40

@Eyesopenwideawake

During the pandemic I slipped back into despondency and felt I was utterly and literally trapped with him in lockdown. The GP prescribed fluoxetine(Prozac) to cope and I developed a lot of stress responses (& self harming) in that time.

The pivotal moment of change came when I went on rabbit trail on the internet googling things about abusive marriages and ended up reading Lundy Bancroft’s book ‘ How does he do that’

It felt like someone had flipped a switch, and for the first time I could see clearly who he was. I decided then on finding a job, which took a year of applying and interviewing with various employees to find one that suits my abilities and to fit around my little ones.

However it was my counsellor who picked up on the grooming after about 5 sessions of relating my story. I kept asking her if she was sure it was grooming as a part of me didn’t want it to be true. She then told me that emotional abuse/grooming is very hard to spot and most women don’t realise until decades later. I’ve been to other counsellors but not ones who focuses on domestic violence and they’ve all missed or glossed over these subtle signs of manipulation.

While you are right that he might not be a predator any longer, he did prey on me and has me under his clutches quite clearly. I am only now taking my power back. He does not like this new resistance he sees in me but I cannot live like I used to any longer.

I felt dead on the inside all along and something came alive when the counsellor gave me language and words for the abuse I was put through since the time I knew him.

My counsellor also told me that although he did prey on me, that he has a lot of redeeming qualities. That we are all both good and bad on any given day, though in varying shades. In her experience over the decades, she has seen far worse and there can be hope in some cases where abuse is mostly from ignorance and cultural learning.

I really hope this is your interpretation of what the counsellor said OP.
To advised a woman who is/ has been abused to go into therapy with the abuser is a massive red flag that your therapist has no idea what they are doing at best and is completely unethical and working outside of our framework in advice!

WITL · 02/07/2022 16:59

Agreed. Terrible advice - very.

you can’t negotiate with him or appeal to him

24 to 16, abortion, coercive behaviour and control, getting to pregnant, sahm

your counsellor needs to put a sock in it, you can’t help
an abuser and you need help escaping

Saltysweets · 02/07/2022 20:57

@Pinkbonbon ❤Thank you for the encouragement. I do believe that Jesus wants freedom for me. I want so much to be free and to not have someone instruct me on everything all the time.

A few weeks after I’d found out about the grooming, I actually went to the newest pastor of my church that I’d been part of for 15 years, asking for help and advice on my situation. It turned out to be a big mistake! The pastor was something else altogether and didn’t believe me initially 😫He thought I was slandering my husband wanting to get out because of an affair or something.

Then he threatened to call police/senior members of my church in a bid to investigate my husband. I told him this was all historical, not to mention it all happened in a different country; and that he hasn’t really looked at another girl since we got married (100% certain. No porn use, no cheating at all). It is me he wanted to corner, he got me good and he wants me here for the rest of his life. Long story short, I left his office crying hysterically, but emailed him to say I don’t need his help anymore and will continue seeking help from my DV charity. I managed to convince my husband to try a new church and he agreed unwittingly. I felt like the pastor could have caused more harm by intervening between us. Felt like I had averted a major disaster with that one.

I also made the mistake of telling my sister about the grooming, but she insists that it was all consensual and that I shouldn’t make a big fuss about something that happened a long time ago!!!! I was in a bad state to even try to convince her otherwise. How come people don’t believe the woman? I feel like an idiot for finding this out 15 years late!

I am now completely put off telling anyone else about what’s happening to me. I have a feeling everybody will take his side and not believe me. My husband has such a polished image to the outside world. People come to him for medical advice and he’s so well respected wherever he goes.

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MaChienEstUnDick · 03/07/2022 14:27

But we believe you OP.

There are many good, principled humans of all faiths who would agree 100% with @Pinkbonbon's really beautiful, loving post. It's unfortunate your ex-pastor isn't one of them but it's not really surprising. Would your husband have sought out a pulpit that preached the message @Pinkbonbon shared? Unlikely.

However, you are right - keep your own counsel and only share your story where you know you will be believed.

Pinkbonbon · 03/07/2022 14:41

Im sorry that pastor did that to you. Unfortunately nasty people tend to gravitate towards positions of power so there's a good chance of church leaders being narcissists and similar.

As for your sister...it is likely her boundaries like yours are not where should be with men. So she doesn't sound like a good person to lean on. She probably has her own journey to go through.

Speak with women's aid op, they will believe you. And we believe you. Besides, practical help is just as important. Maybe start reaching out for that for a start, even if you don't want to talk about your marriage. No harm in seeking financial advice for example.

Saltysweets · 22/10/2024 21:01

Just an update -

I am the OP. I happened to accidentally stumble on my own post from two years ago where I had found out I was groomed by my husband 15 years ago.

I am pleased beyond words to say that I finally found the courage to initiate the divorce process and leave behind my former life.

This is for anyone who might be in my shoes when I had no faith in myself and didn’t think there would be a life beyond this doomed marriage. There is hope. Please hold on to any shred of hope you have. Keep going to counselling. Keep working on healing your trauma even though others don’t believe your pain. Keep growing.

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Pinkbonbon · 22/10/2024 21:38

Oh that's fantastic news op!
I'm so happy for you. I hope life only keeps getting better here on out. And if you have tough days, just remember how far you've come. You're a warrior.

And we're always here if you need us x

Saltysweets · 23/10/2024 18:22

@Pinkbonbon Thank you so much for your encouragement and your kind words. ❤️

I will be forever grateful for the support I’ve received from you and others who took the time to comment here two years ago when I was at my lowest.

I’ve still got a long road of recovery ahead of me. Ex has turned hostile and the post separation abuse and parental alienation I’m facing is unreal and nasty!

Still, I have hope.

❤️‍🩹

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rockstarshoes · 25/10/2024 16:58

Well done Salty! What a great update!

What a brave woman you are!

I wish you lots of happiness in your new life 💐

Bluskies25 · 31/10/2024 21:54

Hi, just wanted to comment that I could have written your exact post- I was 15 and my now husband was 27 at the time. Like you, it took me many years to realise that I was groomed and emotionally and financially abused. Now after 20 years of marriage, I have begun divorce proceedings. I’m so happy I came across your post today. I was having a day of feeling guilt and wondering if I should have tried marriage counseling and I’m grateful I didn’t. I’m happy we are both getting out! Good luck with your future- I know it will be great.

Itstimetoquit · 31/10/2024 22:07

This is an amazing update,so how is life today? How did you navigate the divorce x

Saltysweets · 01/11/2024 08:42

@Bluskies25 I’m so pleased you have found the courage to leave your abusive ex. It really messes up your brain and your ability to judge and think clearly when they groom and condition you over the course of years and decades. Please carry on and don’t look back, all the years of brainwashing will eventually fade away.

Emotionally abusive men rarely change. Please keep going to counselling for yourself so you can heal from the trauma and rebuild yourself. Sending you all the strength and courage in this world as you navigate life post abuse 💐

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Saltysweets · 01/11/2024 08:58

@Itstimetoquit Thank you. Life is both challenging and refreshing right now. My body is finally recovering from being in constant survival mode and I can finally breathe without fear! No one touching me against my will at nights, less traumatic flashbacks, no more walking on egg shells and no more gaslighting into submission.

My divorce will be finalised soon but I am having so much fun putting my life back together. My ex felt very threatened by my drastic change and did all he could to take the kids away from me and spread a massive smear campaign once he knew I wasn’t coming back.

I’m still not out of the woods fully yet, but I feel strong and powerful like I have never done before. A new unshakeable confidence is building up from all the counselling and trauma work I’ve done to heal from my past. I’m full of hope and excitement for what the future holds. ❤️‍🩹

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