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How not to repeat history

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Futurehope01 · 26/06/2022 21:17

New poster; long long time lurker!

Essentially, I want to be the mother that my children love and want to see when they are adults. I want to know how to have a wonderful relationship with them and not push them away. My concerns that this won’t happen stem from my relationship with my own mother. There have been incidents throughout my childhood that make me feel this is a unique situation and won’t be repeated, but, on the other hand, I am her daughter and definitely have some similar personality traits. Here goes.
My mother has suffered with anxiety, and probably depression, for as long as I’ve been around at least. She had a difficult childhood, grew up quite poor with an unwell father, and lost her brother in a motorbike accident when she was about 10.

She has always said she wasn’t any good at anything (except drawing – she’s an artist) and as a child I was embarrassed and confused by her inability to swim or drive, for example. It felt like she didn’t want to spend time with us, when she wouldn’t come swimming or to the park. As an adult I now realise that she probably didn’t learn to do these things out of fear/anxiety, unfortunately because I have also suffered from anxiety in relation to things like this. I still can’t swim, although am planning to learn this summer, and despite huge panic attacks and believing I’d never do it I learnt to drive 10 years ago and am now confident and enjoy it so much.

There are other things too – she was or is emetophobic, another fear which I have. For me this is improving with each children’s sickness bug we end up with, but as a child at home it was constant reminders to chew our food properly, not run around after dinner etc etc. I still hear myself saying to my husband ‘don’t tip him upside down after his dinner!’ about my son, and hate myself for it. Once, I was mildly ill in the night after too much sun on holiday. My mother was beside herself that she’d poisoned me by not properly cooking breaded chicken, despite everyone else being fine! I think there is another food-related issue here, as she went through a period of restricted eating as a child, and as a mother really resented cooking for us. Again, I think now this was probably born out of fear of being responsible for illness. We mostly ate inedible dry meat with boiled to death vegetables, or spaghetti with a tinned tomato sauce. She liked convenience things like beans or soya mince, again because I think she thought they couldn’t make us ill. She left all food shopping to my father, who would take us girls with him. Every week we got back home to hear that we’d bought the wrong things, there was nothing to make a meal out of and so on, but she didn’t contribute ideas, just always said she was fed up of cooking. My dad cooked as often as she did, but wasn’t a natural so would often add ‘secret ingredients’ to stews and sauces (nothing radical, just a squirt of ketchup or some such), but this caused my mother to absolutely lose it at home, screaming that he’d made it inedible and we’d all be ill. I’ve gone the opposite way, and love cooking. As soon as I was old enough I started cooking for all of us when I could. I wanted to be a chef but she convinced me to do A levels instead, mainly by scaring me about how horrible kitchens in restaurants are.
Her extreme reactions (hysterical tears and screaming) were not unusual to many other things throughout our childhood. I was always on edge, not knowing when she’d react in such an embarrassing and public way – think screeching at my dad in public places and storming off. After my second child my hormones were a bit wild, and I actually did similar. It came completely out of the blue to me, and made me think that perhaps she suffered from extreme PMT, as the rages seemed to come and go with gaps in between. As soon as I realised what I was doing I marched myself off to go back on the pill and have been fine ever since, but it scares me as I swore I’d never turn into that screaming, embarrassing mother in public. Fortunately my children are small, so I hope they won’t remember that incident. My husband had not done anything wrong at all that time, it was all hormones. I can’t vouch for my dad, as I don’t remember, but he was a mild mannered and easy going father as far as I can remember. I think his passivity may have caused my mother’s rages sometimes, but embarrassing your children like that in public is completely uncalled for. For what it’s worth, my sister and I were studious, well-behaved, quiet girls. I can’t think of any behaviour from either of us that would have been extreme enough to warrant the screaming, and unfortunately there were episodes of smacking too, as well as threats to. I don’t know if this was only done to me, or to my sister as well, and am afraid to ask to be honest, as I don’t really want to think about it. The last time I remember I was 15, and it was the morning of my mock GCSE English exam. It was also the day of my grandmother’s funeral (dad’s mum). We (me and my sister) weren’t allowed to attend and had to go to school as normal. I have no memory of what happened except that she had my arm and was chasing me around the kitchen trying to smack me. I think I stood up to her, having realised that I was bigger than her and that this was absolutely ridiculous. Again, as an adult I can recognise that it was probably a stressful morning all round, but this can’t have been an excuse to hit me. I don’t know how often she smacked me, whether it was isolated or frequent but I think I can remember at least 3 times. I don’t know if my dad knew she did it, he certainly never hit me. He raised his voice only once or twice, and apologised afterwards. He died 10 years ago so I can’t ask if he knew. He did once suggest she go to anger management classes, but I think that was based on the screaming. She blamed a lot on hormones and I think did calm down after the menopause. I am ashamed to admit to having screamed at my two babies similarly in the fog of sleep deprivation of 2 under 3, and hate myself for it. I make sure I stay on the pill to keep my hormones even, and I read about parenting techniques all the time. My children are easy and wonderful, and I have no need to lose my patience. I am angry though that I have no good model of behaviour that I can remember, and that I have to work so hard to learn how to be a good parent. I am worried that one day I will hit them, as that is how I recall being disciplined myself.

The last thing I wanted to mention was verbal. My mother has said odd things to me over the years. After one argument when I was 18 or 19 she said she wished she had never had me. Her apology came later, after I refused to come downstairs for dinner– I do love you you know. It’s the only time I recall her saying she loved me. On passing my driving test, she said, oh I didn’t expect that! Not well done, congratulations. When I told her I was getting married, she asked if I was sure. We’d been together for 10 years, living together for 7! She hadn’t voiced any concerns about the relationship before. When I told her I was pregnant, she said ‘I did wonder. You look bigger’, and with the second ‘will you cope with that?’.
When she heard he was a boy, she said, ‘Well, I’ll try my best’! Who says things like that?! Not one congratulations amongst the lot. Several odd things from childhood too – children always love their grannies more than their mums. I didn’t realise how weird this was until I casually mentioned it to my husband after my daughter wanted to play with her gran (his mum) rather than us one day – he looked at me like I had two heads, and told me that of course it wasn’t normal. He has an excellent relationship with his mother, who is exactly the mum I wish I had had.
The main reason for posting is that now, as a married adult of 35 with small children of my own, I am desperate not to repeat history. I am so angry and irritated when I see her nowadays. I am so upset that she didn’t try to get help for her issues, as I am sure that she would have been a different parent had she had some grief counselling and probably medication for anxiety. She won’t accept any help from me, be it advice or practical (another trait I work hard on to not copy). She will allow my sister to help her on occasion, under the guise that she doesn’t have a family to look after, but it feels like a smack in the face. I cannot bring myself to hug her when we visit
and I just absolutely dread going there. She must feel the hostility from me but we haven’t ever
discussed it. I can’t bear the thought of seeing her emotional and martyrish anymore, it just reminds me of childhood. I don’t know whether these feelings can be helped by therapy, or just whether I should continue striving to do the things that she didn’t, and be the mother she wasn’t. I don’t particularly want to remember all the little details. I’d rather move on and learn how to be a mother that my children want to visit and spend time with when they’re adults.

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Futurehope01 · 27/06/2022 06:38

This post has helped me feel better already, even if no one replies. Of course I find it difficult to love someone who can't seem happy for me, and actively thinks I should love others more than her. It's bizarre thinking. Again, thinking as an adult now, I wonder if the not congratulating was also a symptom of anxiety - worried about me getting married/having children? But still, I can't help to compare her reaction to my MILs, who smiled and hugged me and said how pleased she was, and that I'd make a wonderful mother and so on. Surely this is the normal reaction to happy family news? I am confused about my mother's reactions, but thinking about it logically I don't thinkni should be surprised by that.

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BabyBunnyMama · 27/06/2022 06:50

Oh I don't have any advice really lovely but I think from you're post you are already a much more considerate and loving mother than your own, I don't think you need to worry about raising your own children as if you were like her you probably wouldn't wouldn't be thinking about these things

Almostthere1 · 27/06/2022 07:22

You seem very insightful. That in itself is something your mum never had: self-awareness.
Don’t be too hard on yourself: parenthood is difficult and things will not always go right.

Futurehope01 · 27/06/2022 07:32

Oh, I wasn't expecting replies really, thank you both. I've spent a lot of time ruminating and reading, and trying to be a calm and loving mother already. I really hope that I am able to have a totally different relationship with my kids in the future. Your point about self-awareness is interesting. My mother is quite isolated, not really letting friends be part of her life, and I think in turn leads her to be very focused on herself and her needs rather than others, or even how her actions make others feel. So I am going to make an effort to really listen to my children. They are wonderful kids, I couldn't imagine never telling them I love them!

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DrPayne · 27/06/2022 07:39

It comes across as you're very highly strung and hyper critical of your mother who had her own challenges. Some comments were quite unfair tbh like feeling shame because she couldn't drive or swim or feeling shocked at yourself for telling your husband not to tip your DC upside down after dinner... that's just sensible advice and common sense. All families have lost their temper sometimes or have some mental illness or embarrassing outbursts sometimes, cut her some slack as you will find motherhood is so damn hard. It seems you see everything she did in a negative light: baked beans and soya: because she wouldn't poison us but I see it as she had a lot on her plate and your father was doing his bit for the family, taking you shopping to teach you skills and get you involved in the house chores, she gave you food and not left you starving and vegetarians basically eat that and are fine.

The example about wanting to be a chef, she was right to tell you a naive teenager about the reality I see her motivation as wanting you to really be sure and if that put you off then you didn't really want to be a chef so much. You seem to blame her so much and take the negative interpretation for her motives and actions. Nobody has a perfect mother and by the sound of it she was doing the best she could which is what we can all hope to do.

This is not an attack on you or an attempt to gaslight you, I wanted to challenge this dialogue and narrative you have about her because I too had a difficult relationship with my mother and through counselling and my own motherhood (and age) I could see it from another perspective and it really helped me understand her and let go of the bitterness and fears.

Futurehope01 · 27/06/2022 08:48

This is interesting to me. I had always believed that once I became a mother myself I would understand her behaviour and that we would have a better relationship. Everyone always says that you have a new found and better respect for your parents once you become one yourself. Granted, my eldest is only 5, so perhaps this will come as they get older, but so far I feel I have gone in the opposite direction. I feel more and more sad that she didn't do anything to help herself become less angry and anxious when we were children, and feel less close than ever to her now. She has acknowledged that I have more patience with my children than she did with us, but that's as far as we have gone about discussing child rearing, as she always says she doesn't remember what it was like when I've talked about daily life with little ones. I take your point about feeling shame when she couldn't do things with us, but as a young child, when everyone else's mother was taking them swimming, in the car, and asking why yours wasn't, the feeling was definitely embarrassment that she didn't do those things things us. Obviously now as an adult I recognise there are many other issues at play, and I have tried my best to feel sympathetic towards her, but for some reason since having my own children I just can't. Maybe I don't understand the full extent of the issues she has suffered with, and probably can't, but I do feel so sad that as far as I know she hasn't tried to get help with those issues to try and create a better relationship between us. I do a lot to make sure I stay calm (yoga, mindfulness, medication) and I have tried to access counselling myself, as I would love a better relationship, and to feel happy taking my children to see their granny. Currently the minute I go into her house I feel tense and revert back to being 16 again, which isn't helpful. In light of your experience, do you think counselling could help here?

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Futurehope01 · 27/06/2022 08:55

And I am definitely highly strung, as is my mother. Which is one of the traits I am trying to work on and not let pass down to my own children. We have both suffered with anxiety and panic attacks, which again I thought would help us better understand each other.

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DrPayne · 27/06/2022 09:28

Thanks for taking my reply in the spirit it was intended.

I'm biased because counselling helped me personally in this area but I'm not a counsellor or psychologist to say for sure whether you personally would benefit. You could if you wanted to have a session or two with one and see if it's for you.. there is a lot of styles of counselling and methods.

I found having empathy for my own mother and although I disagree with many of her behaviours, I was able to find empathy for her with the help of a therapist.

I'm in my thirties now but when she had me I can acknowledge and see that there just wasn't the resources, support and information around mental health as there is now ( and we all know how lacking mental health service is in the UK now) It helps when you have one parent of the two that you had a good relationship with (your dad), your mother might have been like mine where both her parents let her down. She had so much trauma and problems that she couldn't or wouldn't access. I can be sad about my childhood and have grieved for missing out on certain things with my mother but I can also be sad for her and understand that this was as much as she was able to give.

My therapist did inner child work with me and by developing empathy for myself I was able to extend that to my mother (thinking of her as a child, thinking of her life as a mother carrying around the weight of mental illness and trauma, how exhausting it all was for her). It's difficult but forgiving her and accepting her helped me a lot.

I agree with PPs that it's brilliant you're so aware and want to give and are giving your children a better childhood. I was able to understand my mother better as a mother but there were times when I broke down thinking how could she have said or done this when something happened with my DC that I went through with her and to see how our reactions to the same thing are so different. It's ok if motherhood makes you realise how different/bad/neglectful whatever your mum was by comparison.

I'm glad typing it all up helped you feel better. I did a lot of journaling alongside counselling and that was very cathartic.

Good luck x

Futurehope01 · 27/06/2022 12:56

Thank you for taking the to time to reply. I can recognise a lot of what you are saying, and know that she must have experienced deep difficulties herself to parent us in the way that she did. It is helpful to know that it is possible to reach a place of empathy and I would like to explore this going forward, as I think it would help with making peace with things. I am going to try journaling - I did this a lot as a teenager and found it a good coping mechanism for teenage angst. I am on the waiting list for therapy but to be honest the different kinds and choices have been overwhelming. I'm going to spend a bit more time looking into different varieties and thinking about what it is I want to achieve from it. I am glad that I sound self aware and conscious of my parenting - I really strive to be, and want to model good parenting and good parent-child relationships for my children.

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