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Upset about family situation

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Giveme2gins · 24/06/2022 18:14

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I wrote this last month.
It was about my situation at home.
A brother who lives abroad and we are oceans apart wanted to come home on holidays and bring his wife and child.
I was so happy hearing this news but my mother had different feelings on the matter.
She didn't want the family at home. To some degree I was able to see where she was coming from because the family home is an older home and there was neglect on the home for a few years due to my mother's separation, some poverty, a different brother involved with drugs. I was willing to work on the house and make it presentable. My mother still wasn't having any of it.

She was willing to find them alternative accommodation and pay for it but she refused to communicate this with them too. Her idea became an obsession. I tried helping her seek alternative accommodation but it was impossible and her frustration boiled into anger to the degree that she nearly self combusted.

I saw my mother's face during that week and she really didn't want his family at home no matter what.
I was in a difficult position. I made contact with the brother abroad and I told him that mother isn't very happy about the house.

Eventually he contacted me to tell me that he and his family wasn't welcome at home.
I was heartbroken reading this. He and his family was welcome at home. By me anyways. He pulled out from his plans to come home.

As soon as my mothers anger died down I was allowed to go ahead with preparations on the house because the jobs needed to be done anyways. I enjoyed working on the house doing jobs like gardening and painting.

In the back of my mind I was thinking maybe my brother might change his mind or maybe if the work is done my mother might change her mind but there's none of that happening.
I think a balance could be found if my mother wanted it and that would be to invite my brother and the family to stay for 2/3 weeks instead of 4.
Like if 4 weeks was too overwhelming.

I am heartbroken in all of this. I was looking forward to seeing my niece and sister in law and my brother.
There's nothing else happening this summer.

It also looks to me as if my mother is jealous of my brothers partner and I am finding this very difficult to understand.
In my mothers mind there's only room for one woman in her sons life and that will be his mother. I don't know. My mother went on some rants to me over the past few weeks saying how unreasonable my brother is but she's failing to understand what her own part in all of this is too.
She doesn't want his family at home. Not even for one night.

What grandmother doesn't want to see their own grandchild who lives a world apart.

I know other people who lives abroad and for months I was seeing pictures from the post pandemic meet ups within families.

This is so hard. I am upset because I was so close to spending a summer with my niece but my mother couldn't see the wood from the trees in any of this.

OP posts:
IsDaveThere · 24/06/2022 20:53

I understand it s difficult but it is your mother's house and if she doesn't want guests for a month (family or not) then it is up to her.

I'm not sure why your brother cancelled his trip though, why couldn't he stay elsewhere?

Giveme2gins · 24/06/2022 21:16

IsDaveThere · 24/06/2022 20:53

I understand it s difficult but it is your mother's house and if she doesn't want guests for a month (family or not) then it is up to her.

I'm not sure why your brother cancelled his trip though, why couldn't he stay elsewhere?

There was no other accommodation elsewhere. I checked air bnbs and other places and there was no where available.
Not for the time that they were planning for.

What they needed was home to use as a base and they wouldn't have been at home all the time. They would have provided our mother with some space.

OP posts:
Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/06/2022 22:23

A month is a HUGE ask, family or not.

namechange496829 · 24/06/2022 23:43

I can see it from both sides. As a mother if one of my children/grandchildren lived so far away I would be dancing for joy that they would be coming to stay with me for a month.
But a month is a long time and I suppose it depends on a number of factors such as the size of the house, your mothers age and health. My mum is 80 and is very easily tired and probably would not cope with over night visitors.
I do also think that if your DB wants to visit it's for him to look at hotel/air bnb options and not assume he can just live in someone's house for the month. Even if there are none available in the immediate area I'm sure there would be something within an half hour radius. I recently went visiting my DB who lives a 9 hour flight away. I didn't even consider staying at his house.
I suppose this is one of them were it all depends on family dynamics. It's sad if he does feel unwelcome.

Giveme2gins · 25/06/2022 08:47

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/06/2022 22:23

A month is a HUGE ask, family or not.

They happily homed us for a month when we went on holidays a few years ago. They knew we were on a budget and we never had the means to pay for accommodation.

My mother is retirement age now at 70. She never worked because she took on a traditional role in the family when me and my siblings were small.

I see other retired people and they have so much on. My mother doesn't do half of what other people do. She goes walk g every day for about 30 minutes and back home again and that's as much as she does outside of being obsessive with cleaning at home. She doesn't have regular doctor appointments to attend to. There's no daily coffee shop meet ups. There's very little happening in her life. Every day is the same for her.

It will be a huge ask on a couple who are working but this. She could meet them half way and offer 2 weeks accommodation instead of a month but she doesn't even want them for one night.

I am finding this difficult because they live a world away and this would have been an opportunity and a snapshot into each others lives where we share a few weeks together.

My niece on the other side of the planet will now never get to know her European grandparent. This is gut wrenching. Not only for me but for my brother too who lives so far away and he was hoping his child will get to see her grandmother for a few weeks.
My mother refuses to be photographed and refuses video calls so my niece will never get to know her European grandmother.

OP posts:
Giveme2gins · 25/06/2022 08:56

namechange496829 · 24/06/2022 23:43

I can see it from both sides. As a mother if one of my children/grandchildren lived so far away I would be dancing for joy that they would be coming to stay with me for a month.
But a month is a long time and I suppose it depends on a number of factors such as the size of the house, your mothers age and health. My mum is 80 and is very easily tired and probably would not cope with over night visitors.
I do also think that if your DB wants to visit it's for him to look at hotel/air bnb options and not assume he can just live in someone's house for the month. Even if there are none available in the immediate area I'm sure there would be something within an half hour radius. I recently went visiting my DB who lives a 9 hour flight away. I didn't even consider staying at his house.
I suppose this is one of them were it all depends on family dynamics. It's sad if he does feel unwelcome.

The spare room is big. I work hard and I very rarely get a chance to sit into the living room too. The house is big enough.

My mother is 70 and she's early retirement. I see some people in retirement they are filling in their days but my mothers days are all the same. She doesn't have any friends to meet with for tea/coffees, she doesn't go to classes, her own siblings dont seem to bother with her anymore. Her health is OK. There's no daily doctor appointments or hospital appointments.

I think in all of this there was a balance to be found and that would have been 2 weeks instead of 4 but my mother never even wanted them for one night.
All she did was find excuses to turn his family away. Right down to 'painting fumes' as an excuse. Even though the EU banned nasty stuff from paints and there's less smell in paints now.

She wanted the family but somewhere else or she wanted them home but in the back yard in a caravan. The spare room is bigger than a caravan by the way.

They needed home as a base and they never would have stayed on top of my mother all the time.

None of that matters now anyways.

Mother will clearly be provided with all the space that she clearly craves because they won't bother with her anymore.

OP posts:
Justcallmebebes · 25/06/2022 09:09

I get where you're coming from OP and find it odd that she wasn't desperate to See her son and especially her grandson. It's really strange behaviour. Any chance you can go out to him?

Giveme2gins · 25/06/2022 11:32

Justcallmebebes · 25/06/2022 09:09

I get where you're coming from OP and find it odd that she wasn't desperate to See her son and especially her grandson. It's really strange behaviour. Any chance you can go out to him?

I had vague plans to visit them in the autumn but when I learned that they wanted to come here and that was their plan, input my plans off.

Nowy partner wants me to book a holiday with him but he wants a European holiday and I don't know what to do. I want to see my family. I won't have enough money for two foreign holidays this year. Its jot fair stringing my partner along now on the holidays. He wants to book but I want to see my family.

I feel so sick. They were so close to coming home but the last block they came from our own mother.

OP posts:
Giveme2gins · 25/06/2022 18:07

My brother wanted to come home on holidays with his family and knowing that we have a large spare room at home. He never would have thought of this as an idea only that he knows there's a spare room because another sibling left within the past few months. He wanted to come home to give us a few weeks to spend together. Because our lives are so far apart. He wanted us to spend time together. He didn't want to be placed into alternative accommodation anywhere we could find it - anywhere around the city or county. Alternative accommodation was impossible to find anyways. He didn't want mother to find 1000s of money to throw at it to put them somewhere else. He didn't want to come home to be put somewhere else so that we continue leading separate lives.

My mother keeps asking me did I hear from him or the SIL lately. The answer is no. It looks like he doesn't have the stomach to talk to our mother again. I am trying encourage her to phone him but that's not happening from her.

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Mortimercat · 25/06/2022 18:17

I read your last thread I believe. Your mother is a hoarder, the house is a mess and at least your mother knows this and knows it is not suitable for guests, whereas you seem to be in denial. It does not seem like it is a house that would be suitable for guests for any length of time.

Your brother is being very childish in his response, but that is on him, not your mother. I don’t think for a minute that this has anything to do with your mother wanting to be the “only woman in her son’s life” or anything of the sort. I think she thinks the house is a mess and doesn’t want guests. I also think she is right, well I think it is very understandable.

Giveme2gins · 25/06/2022 19:06

Mortimercat · 25/06/2022 18:17

I read your last thread I believe. Your mother is a hoarder, the house is a mess and at least your mother knows this and knows it is not suitable for guests, whereas you seem to be in denial. It does not seem like it is a house that would be suitable for guests for any length of time.

Your brother is being very childish in his response, but that is on him, not your mother. I don’t think for a minute that this has anything to do with your mother wanting to be the “only woman in her son’s life” or anything of the sort. I think she thinks the house is a mess and doesn’t want guests. I also think she is right, well I think it is very understandable.

At one stage I thought she was a hoarder but I google pictures of hoarding and it's not that bad. There's just more of a storage habit than anything else. There isn't rooms filled with stuff. I was able to narrow down her storage without throwing anything away about using vacuum storage bags and the living rooms looks much better.

I was able to clean the spare room and paint it and create a guest room and it looks good now too.

I did other jobs on the house too and it looks good now too.

I did all this because it was work that had to be done but also in my mind I was thinking what if my brother changes his mind.

The work that had to be done was achievable and I got it done.

I think this is an issue of not wanting her sons partner under her roof.

OP posts:
burnoutbabe · 25/06/2022 19:09

Had brother booked flights from Australia which are now useless? Surely that would be very annoying? Has your mum offered to repay them as she was the one who changed her mind?

Giveme2gins · 25/06/2022 19:27

burnoutbabe · 25/06/2022 19:09

Had brother booked flights from Australia which are now useless? Surely that would be very annoying? Has your mum offered to repay them as she was the one who changed her mind?

I saw our mother's reaction to their planned visit home and I knew there was an issue. Thank you so much to everyone who replied in the last thread. I got in touch with the brother quickly to let him know that our mother isn't happy about the home for guests. That's as much as I told him. Thankfully they didn't have tickets booked at that time but they were getting onto that but I got in there quickly to inform him that there's an issue at home.

He's finding this hard too. He wanted to hear excitement that they were comi g and all he got was excuses from our mother. He's disappointed knowing his own mother can't tolerate his child and partner for any length. There's a balance here in all of this and that would be giving him and his family an invite to stay for 2 weeks instead of the original 4, as an example. There hasn't been any of that from our mother.

I am disappointed too because we live a world apart and our time together this summer would have been so precious.

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CPL593H · 25/06/2022 22:44

OP, I read your last thread and honestly mean this kindly. I don't think it is at all likely that your mother is going to change. She is not 'old old', she is an adult and allowed to make choices that may seem self defeating when it comes to her home and her life. I can see many similar frustrations in the future unless you take some big steps back from her, mentally and possibly physically and work on what you want from your own future, without reference to her.

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