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Things have got so mixed up. Not sure what I want.

19 replies

mummyrocks1 · 17/06/2022 23:08

6 weeks ago I asked my DH if 20 years to move out for a month. My head was all over the place. We were arguing none stop, truth be told I think we have both been unhappy for a while. We have always had to work on the marriage and it's never been smooth. Resentment built up on both sides and neither of us were giving it getting what we needed. I reached a point where I couldn't do it anymore.

I had an individual counselling session and he told me he was abusive, he had been verbally abusive a few times and was gaslighting me. I took the word of someone I had spoken to for an hour and made the decision to ask him to go. I think she kind of confirmed what I thought was happening but the house had been a pressure cooker for so long and I didn't seem to know reality from fiction.

He begged me not to and I held firm. I enjoyed it for a couple of weeks, freedom, release of pressure and space to think. But when the reality kicked in I started having panic attacks and started messaging him begging him to come back and saying how much I regretted the decision. I was very mixed up with my feelings. I wasn't coping and one night had a kind of mental episode.

He held firm and said no. Suddenly he was cold, saying his gut was we weren't right, he wanted to take a 6 month contract on a house. I couldn't understand why he didn't want to try for our marriage and two kids. I didn't want him to come back to an unhappy marriage or that environment but I wanted us to try.

I soon found out why. He had slept with someone else within a few weeks of going. Apparently they had a connection, he's not felt like this for a long time., I made him feel lonely, didn't treat him well, I told him to go. I have accepted my part to play in this but he doesn't seem able to do the same. Almost blaming me. Which he denies. He only told me as a friend found out and gave him an ultimatum..

I was very angry, ranted at him etc. couldn't believe he had done this. It wasn't a drunk one night stand, there were lunches etc and a weekend away.

He now tells me he thinks we can work but her confused. He's seeing a counsellor. He's not sure what he wants etc. I tell him if he wants any chance with me he ends it with her. He doesn't immediately say he will and I've not heard he has since. It's like he's keeping her on the back burner as his head is so messed up. I told him I won't be waiting around. Although I was extremely angry and can't believe he's done this to me. I have cried at the betrayal and how easily he could throw out 20 year relationship away I am not devastated.

He is texting me now after he had all the power. It's like he wants me back now I am getting strong. He's still talking about 6 months in another house but saying he feels sick at the thought, like I should be sympathetic. Saying we can see where we are come sept kind of talk all whilst not breaking up with OW.

I am very up and down. Originally he made me feel like we could make it work. But I realised the conversation was all about him justifying what he did as I didn't treat him well. About what I would change. Nothing on his part about how he made me feel.,his part towards why I got to the point of asking him to move out. Nothing about what he needs to change. As I get stronger I am feeling like I could be ok being single although it's a scary thought.

Wondering what peoples thoughts are on this situation?

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HappypusSadpus · 17/06/2022 23:27

Stop engaging.
You didn't work.
He readily shagged someone else within days.

He is keeping you on the backburner incase she dumps him - not her on the backburner.
Have a contact agreement if kids are young.
Disengage.
Go find yourself then find someone else.
Enjoy your life again.

He isn't a very good man.

akittyisyou · 17/06/2022 23:38

No-one deserves to be someone’s second choice. He’s put both you and his new flame in that position.

You were rid of him and you felt great. Don’t second guess yourself, it’s natural to get cold feet in any big life changing transition.

Beingadiv · 17/06/2022 23:44

I think it's hard because it wasn't a clean break but you tried for 20 years and ended up in a horrible environment. Genuinely, what do you think will or can change? His first move was to find someone else and he's told you all the details. That seems cruel to me. Not saying he shouldn't have told you but if he wanted to make the marriage work why did you need to know about this connection. It's good you do know though. I'd be trying to move on.

spotcheck · 17/06/2022 23:48

You asked him to move out. You haven't worked for years. The house was a pressure cooker. You always had to work hard at it.

Honestly, he has done you both a favour

Doyoumind · 17/06/2022 23:50

You can't come back from this and shouldn't. You did the right thing ending it but gave in, starting a power play game between the two of you. That messed with your head but don't let it drag you down. You split and it wasn't a mistake.

Endlesslaundry123 · 18/06/2022 00:07

If the therapist said that he's abusive and gaslighting you, I think you owe it to yourself to continue exploring that with professional help (whether that or another therapist).

6 months sounds like such a reasonable idea. Separate for 6 months. Get yourself good therapy. If you've been abused emotionally or otherwise, it will take time until your head is clear and you can make some of these decisions. There's no rush.

Aquamarine1029 · 18/06/2022 00:11

The marriage is over. Allow it to be over. Both of you need to move on.

Onthedunes · 18/06/2022 02:46

Sounds like you were set up to me.

Relationship going downhill, you were pushed into separating as you were just not getting on.

I would lay money on him knowing this ow before you told him to leave and now he's got the best of both worlds. You pining for him and a shot at a different life with you in the background waiting for him, if it goes wrong.

It was planned and pre meditated.

He's not a nice person, he's devious, shrewd and has made all this look like it's your fault for binning him.

He won't admit it if you ask him but it might be fun seeing his reaction.

I would honestly end it, he is awful.

Don't blame yourself it was all him.
Serve him the papers and end the triangulation, he's an A grade cunt.

Monty27 · 18/06/2022 03:12

OP his reaction to the breathing space pretty much confirms it's done.

Catlover1970 · 18/06/2022 03:29

File for divorce and move on. You don’t work together. The fact he is seeing someone else so readily tells you everything you need to know

Lovemypeaceandquiet · 18/06/2022 05:54

It you have him back I’m sure not for long.

The marriage is essentially over, you just got cold feet when it actually sunk in. But it’s only normal after being together for 20 years.

Thesefeetaremadeforwalking · 18/06/2022 06:08

@HappypusSadpus

"Stop engaging.
You didn't work.
He readily shagged someone else within days.
He is keeping you on the backburner incase she dumps him - not her on the backburner.
Have a contact agreement if kids are young.
Disengage.
Go find yourself then find someone else.
Enjoy your life again.
He isn't a very good man."

^

This sums it up nicely.

mummyrocks1 · 18/06/2022 07:50

Beingadiv · 17/06/2022 23:44

I think it's hard because it wasn't a clean break but you tried for 20 years and ended up in a horrible environment. Genuinely, what do you think will or can change? His first move was to find someone else and he's told you all the details. That seems cruel to me. Not saying he shouldn't have told you but if he wanted to make the marriage work why did you need to know about this connection. It's good you do know though. I'd be trying to move on.

That's what I ask myself and I think he is asking himself too. Fundamentally would we have to change ourselves so much- that's not right just for a marriage to work. There are elements I definitely could change very easily and quickly. Which would make less arguments and a smoother marriage. I see very clearly my part in it now and what I could/should have done differently. But I am not sure he is really working or able to own up to his part or what he would need to do differently. We were just not able to see each other's pov.

I am glad I found out about the OW as it shows me who he is, how fundamentally selfish he is. This was a big problem in the marriage. I married a very selfish man and I should have realised that. He as showing pictures of her to acquaintances too so it's pretty humiliating for me. It changes everything in my mind about if we could have tried or not.

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mummyrocks1 · 18/06/2022 08:00

Catlover1970 · 18/06/2022 03:29

File for divorce and move on. You don’t work together. The fact he is seeing someone else so readily tells you everything you need to know

He says they met randomly at this work space they were at and she started as a shoulder to cry on and it went to more. He says he regrets meeting her but I said meeting her didn't need to turn to sleeping with het or showing pictures to people. It's going to be gossip now as people talk too.

He said it's the biggest mistake of his life, I said what sleeping with her or showing pictures of her so I found out. He said both. Am I right in thinking that is unbelievable? He's not really saying he is waiting to choose between us more that he's very confused and was in a bad place when he met her. At this point I was begging him to come back. He is getting counselling to see what his emotions are and what he wants. But the fact he didn't immediately break it up with her says it all doesn't it?

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Jellycatspyjamas · 18/06/2022 09:31

You asked him to leave and then begged him to come back. Own your own decision making here. While it’s shit he hooked up so quickly you’re adding fuel to the fire by trying to get back with him. It sounds like you regret your choice to ask him to leave which allows him to keep you in reserve.

Find your self respect and let him go.

mummyrocks1 · 18/06/2022 10:51

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/06/2022 09:31

You asked him to leave and then begged him to come back. Own your own decision making here. While it’s shit he hooked up so quickly you’re adding fuel to the fire by trying to get back with him. It sounds like you regret your choice to ask him to leave which allows him to keep you in reserve.

Find your self respect and let him go.

I begged him to come back a few weeks after he went whilst he was with this women. I am certainly not begging him back now. You have misread my post. The longer I have apart the more I think I don't want him back and the stronger I get about being alone. He's the one saying we can see where we are. I don't even know if he's still seeing her. I am up and down though. I have my self respect. He doesn't.

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Onthedunes · 18/06/2022 13:33

If I were you love I'd find your anger.

You didn't do any wrong, the relationship was failing because he had already met this woman, he was invested elsewhere instead of trying within your marriage.

How convinient for him to have bumped into this woman so shortly after his wife turfed him out.

He engineered it all and I would be wary about the financials, he's cunning and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Get to a solicitors and find out your possition, ducks in a row, protect the children.

mummyrocks1 · 18/06/2022 16:51

Onthedunes · 18/06/2022 13:33

If I were you love I'd find your anger.

You didn't do any wrong, the relationship was failing because he had already met this woman, he was invested elsewhere instead of trying within your marriage.

How convinient for him to have bumped into this woman so shortly after his wife turfed him out.

He engineered it all and I would be wary about the financials, he's cunning and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Get to a solicitors and find out your possition, ducks in a row, protect the children.

I don't think that's the case. I asked him to leave and he begged me not to and I stood firm. I do wonder if I had said ok don't go if he would have engaged in the therapy and been more willing to adapt his own behaviour. I am trying not to think about the ifs and buts though as it won't change the outcome now.

After a couple of weeks I was finding it hard being alone and asked him to come back. He said no, needed more time, gut feeling etc. I couldn't understand why he wouldn't even try counselling. Now I do- he met her in that period.

The more I think about it the more I just don't think I want to continue with him. His actions have shown me who he is. He is unbelievably selfish. I admit my part in things going wrong but he doesn't. I don't think I can trust him again. Even when the dcs want to ring him and he doesn't answer or it goes to answerphone after a few rings I think the worse. I have never doubted him before. I don't want a marriage like that. I think this is probably the end.

I am going to take this 6 months to think what I want from a marriage and get myself happy alone with the dcs. Not waiting around for him to decide what he wants. I want someone who is kind, attentive, affectionate, puts me first, loving and helpful. Does things he doesn't want to do to make me happy. Supportive. Is that too much to ask? Aren't those the basics?

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Robin233 · 18/06/2022 19:43

I am going to take this 6 months to think what I want from a marriage and get myself happy alone with the dcs. Not waiting around for him to decide what he wants. I want someone who is kind, attentive, affectionate, puts me first, loving and helpful. Does things he doesn't want to do to make me happy. Supportive. Is that too much to ask? Aren't those the basics?
^^
All depends
Do you do things you don't want to do to make him happy?
Marriage takes work
Sometimes very hard work.
You've said there is things you can change which would help the marriage
That is a very mature attitude- taking responsibility ( for your part)
I'm sure you could both move on and meet other people, but not all problems are solved by LTB.
And you have children.
Not the reason for staying together but certainly for working at the marriage.

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