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Find my brother difficult to deal with

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Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:02

Hi,

I'm one of 3. The youngest. There was quite a big age gap between myself and my brothers when I came along (a happy accident, apparently). They were 12 and 16 when I was born. Both married quite early so the eldest had left home when I was 4 and the younger brother left home - and married - when I was 7. I have no memory of my brothers ever living in the same house and we were never really close. I saw them as distant uncles tbh.

My parents divorced when I was 8. I was taken to live, with my mother, at another house in the same town. Had always lived on council estates as my mum didn't work due to ill health and my dad didn't really have a career but seemed to drift into odd jobs here and there. Anyway, he never paid my mother any child maintenance for me as he didn't earn enough or something. I used to go to his house at weekends but it only lasted until I was about 11 as I soon got fed up of him sitting in the pub most of the day with his friends and leaving me outside with a glass of lemonade and a packet of crisps. I was old enough to know this wasn't right and refused to go anymore. I lost contact with my father and he died when I was 26.

This post is about my brother but bear with me as I need to give some background...

My mother was 40 when she had me (as was my dad) so they always seemed old to me. My mother (now RIP) was a difficult person and I felt trapped loving with her. She had an obsession with the medical profession and would constantly go to see the GP every few weeks and demanded medication for imaginary illnesses. One day her GP just lost his rag and struck her off of his list. She went crazy (I was about 14 at the time) and started starving herself for months and lost a lot of weight. She also became very aggressive with everyone including me. My brothers both had children by this point. The eldest had 2 and the youngest had 5. Both of my brothers likes their 'drink' and growing up, I won't lie, I looked down on them as they were no role model for me growing up (and, remember my father had also effectively deserted me). My older brother married a really nice girl. I was their bridesmaid at 4 years old. I don't think he realised how lucky he was but he, too, started drinking and quit his job and became a bum, basically. I don't know how she put up with him but she did. Anyway, this brother died last year (alcohol related) and she admitted to me she felt she'd been too soft with him and wanted to leave him. She said she loves him but had fallen out of love with him, if that makes sense. I didn't have a really good relationship with this brother as he always had a can of beer/lager in his hands and I always felt he was a bit drunk every time I saw him. He was never aggressive to my sister in law but I felt so sorry for her as she could've done a lot better. I don't know why men like this turn to alcohol. It makes them look like a loser which, in the end, he was! He hasn't worked for years before his death (his wife worked full time and had paid for everything). His children had left home and married by this point. I just thought he was a loser and embarrassed to call him my brother.
The younger brother very similar. He married a girl from a really rough family (always in trouble with the police etc.) and she was very, very young when they married in the local registry office. I was 7. I was very observant and would watch they way they lived their lives etc. Both smoked heavily back then and they had 5 children, one after another. Neither worked and they would gladly take any benefit that they could get their hands on. The kids were often thrown out on the street and told to come back at tea time. They'd come to our house each afternoon and sit and sit smoking all afternoon and just doing, generally, nothing. My brother had been a decent guy before he met her. He wasn't that bright though but I think it was more laziness than anything. Neither had any drive. Why should they go out to work when the government (and they were so stupid they thought the money came from a magic money tree rather than from the tax-payer) gave them all they needed? I used to look at them in disgust. They asked me to babysit night after night after night for them when I was old enough. Their house was a mess. She was lazy as was he. My mum, also difficult. I had to grow up amongst this. I was desperate to escape. I had nowhere to go so spent most of my time at home in my room or would go to my friends house. My friends parents would take me camping with them to the Lake District. This was my only release from being at home.

Anyway, my brother's (the younger brother) wife had an affair (got pregnant) and left him. He was devastated. The kids stayed with him, initially, but all (but one) eventually moved north to be with their mother. The kids all ended up the same as their parents (idle, couldn't be bothered, clueless) which infuriates me tbh. One son died a few years ago through alcoholism (again, this seemed a normal way of life for them). Others in trouble with police, bailiffs etc.

I, not that I am being a snob - as I'm not - decided I wanted a better life for myself so took advantage of a free education. Did a degree and entered my field straight after university. They all laughed at me when I said I wanted to go to university and said I'd be pushing a pushchair around at 18 or younger! I was so different to them. Maybe it's what I was witness to as a child that made me determined. I went on to do a masters and am now in senior management in my field. I married and left home at 26.

My younger brother got re-married a few years later to a woman who also had children that were similar ages to his. They waited until all kids had left home before they married. Anyway, my brother - to me - is thick. And, I mean, thick! He has let himself get like this through bloody ignorance and laziness. The other brother was intelligent but also had issues with alcohol which made him look stupid in my eyes. Well, he was, he slowly killed himself with the stuff.

Both of my brothers developed speech impediment. The younger brother to a greater extent. My husband/children haven't really had anything to do with either of my brothers as they really are/were on another planet! We had nothing in common.

My brother (the one still here) really sounds thick when he talks. He's on a different planet to me entirely. His spelling is atrocious. He writes like a 5 year old. He is 62! His speech is terrible.

Problem I have is that his second wife has just left him stating that they didn't get on anymore and she wanted out. She seemed fairly normal to me, has a job in the NHS, and probably got fed up of the way he is. He is devastated. Trouble is, he is ringing me all the time and I am finding him hard to deal with. I'm really not a snob but I can't help but look down my nose at him. His speech is awful. He talks about his kids being in trouble. It's awful. They brought this on themselves. We really are worlds apart and I wonder sometimes how two people, who came from the same genetic bag and womb, can be so different!! I feel for him but I can't help but feel it's his fault that she left anyway. I'm left picking up the pieces as my older brother and parents are RIP.

I don't want to desert him but I often want to disconnect the call as it's difficult to deal with. Any advice as to how I handle this?

OP posts:
Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:03

Sorry my post is so long!!!

OP posts:
Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:05

Should say my mum went to see the GP every few days not weeks!

OP posts:
Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:06

Forgot to mention that our mother was admitted to a mental hospital due to her starving herself (and the psychotic aggression).

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JamesBlond · 15/06/2022 21:10

You know the answer I think.

You had a horrible childhood, but now you are an adult and live life on your terms. Decide what contact, if any, you are happy with, and stick to your guns. You don’t owe him anything.

Squashedraddish · 15/06/2022 21:15

You keep saying you’re not a snob but then you keep saying how you look down on your family. I appreciate you had a rough upbringing but by the sounds of it so did they. You call your brothers speech terrible but he has a speech impediment so can’t help it. You may feel like they were awful brothers but you don’t sound like a particularly nice sister even if you did go to uni.

Squashedraddish · 15/06/2022 21:16

posted too soon. you don’t have to help him. It’s your choice. I can understand you pulling away if it’s getting too much which is fine. I do think perhaps you need more empathy for their upbringing and addiction too though

Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:23

Squashedraddish · 15/06/2022 21:15

You keep saying you’re not a snob but then you keep saying how you look down on your family. I appreciate you had a rough upbringing but by the sounds of it so did they. You call your brothers speech terrible but he has a speech impediment so can’t help it. You may feel like they were awful brothers but you don’t sound like a particularly nice sister even if you did go to uni.

They didn't have a rough upbringing. Before I was born they were raised by both parents (I wasn't) who, at the time, were in a happy marriage. My parents drifted apart after I was born.

He really is bad. Anyone would see it.

OP posts:
Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:24

His speech isn't caused by a condition. It's through lack of intelligence.

OP posts:
Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:27

Also, my mother became difficult after her divorce. I think it was an attention seeking thing as she no longer had a husband etc. My brothers had a normal upbringing. I didn't.

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DontLookBackInAnger1 · 15/06/2022 21:36

Either support your brother with genuine care.

Or don't at all.

Don't look your nose down at him, he had his own struggles (as we all do). It's ok that you're different, but if you can't see past your differences, then just gradually cut him out.

Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:38

I don't want to cut him out. I just find him very hard to deal with.

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DontLookBackInAnger1 · 15/06/2022 21:58

Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:38

I don't want to cut him out. I just find him very hard to deal with.

But family is usually tricky. That's nothing new or unique.

If you don't want to cut him out, what do you want?

To keep him in your life even though you clearly think very little of him?

You should be very proud of yourself to have succeeded with very little family support. It's admirable to want more and try hard for it. But you really do need to stop putting yourself on a pedestal; it comes across a bit pompous and ugly.

Intelligence is great, but it's nothing without being humble.

DillyDilly · 15/06/2022 22:19

Is it your brother’s fault he lacks intelligence. Maybe he has undiagnosed learning issues.

From the way you write, you don’t sound overtly intelligent yourself.

DillyDilly · 15/06/2022 22:20

Overly intelligent, not overtly.

Motnight · 15/06/2022 22:26

You don't have to look after your brother.

If his speech is really poor as you say it is, then it sounds to me as though he has a learning disability. The way you write about him isn't nice. You had a really tough childhood but sounds like your brothers did too, perhaps in ways that you don't understand.

Quitelikeit · 15/06/2022 22:27

according To your op your brothers were 12 & 16 when you were born so how if you are 36 is he now in his 60s?

BecauseICan22 · 15/06/2022 22:33

OP, we are all one event away from falling into despair. Do not look down upon those that have clearly already suffered a great deal.

If you do not wish to help your brother, and I can understand why you wouldn't, step away with grace and humility.

You sound terribly judgmental and bitter neither of which are attractive traits in a person.

Also, you have ZERO idea of their upbringing, parents together does not guarantee a happy childhood.

CPL593H · 15/06/2022 22:34

Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:38

I don't want to cut him out. I just find him very hard to deal with.

No one is disputing that you had a difficult childhood OP, but you obviously despise him so why do you want to stay in contact? You are not his parent, you don't owe him anything and you are clearly not motivated by any kind of affection. You should ask yourself what your real reason is, I think.

PermanentTemporary · 15/06/2022 22:41

I'm writing because I'm the youngest of 3 with a biggish gap between me and my siblings. I feel like we had a different childhood and I do get that sense of distance.

It sounds like one of the things that has meant you drove yourself to succeed is your childhood experiences. Their struggles with addiction, inertia and perhaps learning difficulties will have some links there too, but may also have genetic components - speech and language problems can run in families and can really affect achievement, employment etc. They're much more common in boys too.

Living alone with your mother sounds incredibly difficult, but somehow you found motivation and survived it. I think your Mum's GP failed you by cutting her off, that was wrong. Your family has huge challenges but you have achieved so much. Maybe they have too in a way? They stayed in touch with family, got married, stayed on the right side of the law (speech and language issues are incredibly common in prisons).

I think perhaps if you can focus on how incredibly well you have done and what you have dealt with, rather than on them, maybe it would help? Woukd counselling be some time for yourself and a way to reflect? And perhaps you don't have to answer the phone every time - maybe set some boundaries.

DontLookBackInAnger1 · 15/06/2022 22:51

PermanentTemporary · 15/06/2022 22:41

I'm writing because I'm the youngest of 3 with a biggish gap between me and my siblings. I feel like we had a different childhood and I do get that sense of distance.

It sounds like one of the things that has meant you drove yourself to succeed is your childhood experiences. Their struggles with addiction, inertia and perhaps learning difficulties will have some links there too, but may also have genetic components - speech and language problems can run in families and can really affect achievement, employment etc. They're much more common in boys too.

Living alone with your mother sounds incredibly difficult, but somehow you found motivation and survived it. I think your Mum's GP failed you by cutting her off, that was wrong. Your family has huge challenges but you have achieved so much. Maybe they have too in a way? They stayed in touch with family, got married, stayed on the right side of the law (speech and language issues are incredibly common in prisons).

I think perhaps if you can focus on how incredibly well you have done and what you have dealt with, rather than on them, maybe it would help? Woukd counselling be some time for yourself and a way to reflect? And perhaps you don't have to answer the phone every time - maybe set some boundaries.

It sounds like OP already focuses a lot of how well she's done, I don't think that's a problem!

PermanentTemporary · 15/06/2022 22:57

But she thinks anyone could have done it. I think she is exceptional and her brothers' struggles are upsetting and frightening because it easily could have been her.

PersonaNonGarter · 15/06/2022 23:00

You are traumatised by your childhood and appalled by it and your brother. Totally understandably.

Honestly, you need some proper therapy. You are not very nice about your brother because he makes you feel sympathy for yourself, not for him. That’s a result of what’s happened. You are proud of what you achieved, but the flip side is you are angry with your brother for butting back into your life.

saraclara · 15/06/2022 23:02

Marmalade72 · 15/06/2022 21:24

His speech isn't caused by a condition. It's through lack of intelligence.

Are you sure you have a Master's degree? Because that post demonstrates quite a lack of intelligence in itself.

alwayscheery · 16/06/2022 12:40

If the Brother who is still alive is 63 the older Brother who has now passed would be 67. In theory OP would now be 49.

This sounds like an ill thought out plot for a very sad novel.
Why am I not surprised the OP has not returned.

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