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He says I need medication - help

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lifebeginsat48 · 14/06/2022 13:43

In short... we've been not getting on for a while. Over the last year I've become aware that he's being emotionally abusive (criticising everything, speaking to me like a child, and he's lost his temper a few times and been very explosive in with his anger - verbal - directed at me). Our relationship goes round in circles, getting better for a while then deteriorating. He does nothing around the house - just buries himself in projects (not always financially viable ones). He seems to have zero awareness of anything other than the project or task he's immersed in. We had an big argument last week which was the last straw for me but since then we've had DS at home so haven't had an opportunity to talk: I refuse to talk to him when the kids are here because it's never a sensible grown-up conversation and always turns into him telling me what the problem is and what I need to do to solve it.

With all this I've been making plans in my head as to how I will manage when we separate. As I say I've been avoiding him other than to exchange pleasantries about having a cup of tea etc. but he just came out in the car with me when I was about to pop out to get some lunch with DC. I said fine, come, but DC is in the car so you have to agree that we won't argue or discuss anything personal. No sooner is he in the car than he starts saying he thinks I'm losing my memory and need medication because I keep forgetting the "very important things" I need to do - which is patently not true. I asked him if he really meant that, stressed that we weren't having this kind of conversation right now with DC in the car, and that if he wasn't okay with that I would get out and go home. The rest of the journey was mostly in silence (shame because I was planning to spend a relaxing 1/2 hour with my DC).

I feel he's very controlling but has no awareness of this. I can't speak about anything because it gets thrown back at me. He is so rude about things, for example saying repeatedly this morning in a really patronising tone, "because you are phoning so-and-so aren't you? You said you would and you will, won't you?" then later raising it again in a tone that says I'm just reminding you about this important thing you said you'd do. This from the man who doesn't get up and take our children to school, or make anyone a meal ever (unless I go out and give him forewarning), or have the faintest idea about our finances, or take any responsibility for anything to do with the home and the family (washing, cleaning, etc.) I should add I run the entire home and am self-employed running two businesses, so not exactly sitting around empty-headed awaiting instructions!

Please help me see what is going on here and what I can do to protect myself and my relationship with my children when I finally find the right time for us to talk about separating. I feel a therapist would help, as someone for me to share my feelings with and gain clarity with them and also a record of what is happening here. Writing this all down I can see that it's really messed up so help me change things, please.

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redastherose · 14/06/2022 14:12

Are you married? If not just make plans and then tell him you are separating, if you are married see a solicitor to work out what will happen with finances and housing and then tell him you are separating and do it.

He is trying to make you doubt yourself, no nice person would do that. This is not someone you want to continue in a relationship with.

StickyFingeredWeeNed · 14/06/2022 14:15

You don’t need to plan when to sit down and discuss separation. You’re not discussing it - you’re informing him you’re off.

If you need a bit more support because it can be hard to know what to do first/next in terms of practicality, WA are wonderful. good luck!

Wnikat · 14/06/2022 14:16

Mate, he sounds awful. Get yourself and your children away from him.

astoundedgoat · 14/06/2022 14:21

Leave. He's gaslighting you. You don't need a therapist, you need a divorce lawyer.

Have you seen the movie gaslight? Literally the whole movie is him trying to convince her/demonstrate that she is mad.

There's no coming back from that - he's awful.

Watchkeys · 14/06/2022 14:22

Decide to leave. He doesn't need to agree. It doesn't need to be a conversation. He's not in charge of you or of the relationship. He's in charge of his response. If he makes it hard for you, that's all the more reason to get away from him.

Your relationship goes in circles because of this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_abuse

He has to be nice to you sometimes, otherwise you'd leave. But he's misjudged it, you've seen through him, and now you're going. It's an action that you are taking, and there needs to be no discussion at all, because as soon as you try to discuss, he'll try to manipulate you.

Just leave. It'll be better for you, and better for your kids, to not live with abuse.

Wimbunds · 14/06/2022 14:25

I would give yourself some time to really think through the practicalities of splitting up and what you want to happen and how to best handle it with DC. A counsellor may help to have someone for you to talk to if possible? Don't worry about talking to DH - whatever you say he isn't going to be pleased, so i'd just plan and then tell him. I'm assuming you've tried to talk to him already and it hasn't improved things?

PriestessofPing · 14/06/2022 14:26

Sorry it sounds like he knows exactly what he is doing and is trying to convince you that you are unwell somehow - it’s a common tactic that abusers use. I’ve had it used on me, luckily by my ex who I didn’t live with but who insisted I forgot entire conversations about our son. It stopped when I said nobody else in my life had noticed memory issues so perhaps we should stick to written communication from now on to ensure there was no confusion. Never said one word about my ‘memory issues’ again.

Unfortunately, you are not in a position right now to insist on that all the time since you live with him but you could try implementing a bit of that system by saying ‘oh really? I think perhaps you should send a text so I can check daily and see if i’ve forgotten anything’. He wont do it but it will reassure you and may stop his bollocks about your memory a little.

Longer term I think you need to continue to work on your exit plan.

BlanketsBanned · 14/06/2022 14:26

Are you married, whats the house situation. You dont need to discuss separation with him. You make your own plans to get away from him.

lifebeginsat48 · 16/06/2022 13:33

Your messages hit home. We managed to talk this morning but any optimism soon gave way as he just can't help his reactions: despite acknowledging that his expectations (that I drop everything whenever he decides something needs to happen and jump) are unfair and unrealistic, and that him thinking I just sit here awaiting instructions when instead I'm keeping the whole shit show going is insulting and makes me really angry, he just just came down and got agitated because why I wasn't doing something that he'd just gone up to do as soon as got in from an errand. I had to point out that I have just made lunch and been working and have been keeping DC amused, so no, I haven't exactly had time to do whatever it is I should just magically know needs to be done but that he has the time to put into that now, great, thanks, just note any issues down and we can look over them. Seriously. Impulse control is a huge issue here.

So now I've gone from feeling like we finally managed to have a grown up conversation to thinking oh just fuck off again. Is that the cycle then? It was really weird when we talked because he really didn't want to get into a convo about separating, even though that's the first thing he throws at me when there's a disagreement. Please don't be mad at me!

Behind the scenes I have a job interview lined up for tomorrow, which would mean I could continue my freelance stuff alongside a regular gig, to take the financial pressure off, and also a meeting with a friend (about a possible house to rent) and another with someone who can advise me on my rights and legal responsibilities re housing etc. (not married by shared finances, DCs, etc.) Lining up my ducks.

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JohannSebastianBach · 16/06/2022 13:37

Seriously, just make your plans and get the hell out.

You've tried talking, he's not listening. He's not interested in solving the problem because it suits him to act this way.

Just go for it and tell him you're going as you go through the door.

lifebeginsat48 · 16/06/2022 13:40

Wimbunds · 14/06/2022 14:25

I would give yourself some time to really think through the practicalities of splitting up and what you want to happen and how to best handle it with DC. A counsellor may help to have someone for you to talk to if possible? Don't worry about talking to DH - whatever you say he isn't going to be pleased, so i'd just plan and then tell him. I'm assuming you've tried to talk to him already and it hasn't improved things?

This is what I think I need, yes - thank you. We've been together a long time and I don't think just skipping off in haste is the right way to go. I did buy some shelves of a selling group today, thinking about my little house all of my own...

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lifebeginsat48 · 16/06/2022 13:46

JohannSebastianBach · 16/06/2022 13:37

Seriously, just make your plans and get the hell out.

You've tried talking, he's not listening. He's not interested in solving the problem because it suits him to act this way.

Just go for it and tell him you're going as you go through the door.

I'm a planner so plans I can do. Like I say I have some meetings etc. set up. If it was just me I'd be gone already but with DC etc. it feels more complicated. Why make things confrontational - especially as right now I don't actually have anywhere to go.

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noirchatsdeux · 16/06/2022 13:48

If he's not listened to you the first time, what makes you think he's going to listen you the second time...or even the 85790586 time?

The chances of him listening to you saying the same thing gets lower the more you repeat it. As others have said, you don't need to 'discuss' separating with him...you tell him when it is happening and then you just do it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/06/2022 13:54

It is also because of these children that you should leave your, and in turn their, abuser.
whilst you are all under the same roof protecting your self, let alone them, from his abuse of you is impossible.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/06/2022 13:57

Take your money and put it in a separate account if it isn't already. You don't want him having access to your money. When he figures out that you are actively planning to leave, he will get nasty.

lifebeginsat48 · 16/06/2022 14:58

I agree that there's no reason he will suddenly transform now but... what's the problem with planning? I've been reading threads on here where it takes people years to get things organised and then take steps and then even then things drag on. I've known him my entire adult life. I don't believe he would turn nasty but, if that were to happen, I'd need to be more secure than I am now in being able to support myself and my DC.

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frozendaisy · 16/06/2022 16:43

First of all you don't need medication.

He is happy to throw the splitting up card out in an argument because the dumb fuck thinks it will keep you in line, but he doesn't want to talk about it seriously because he has no power in that.

Make your plans, suggest a separation period where you live separately too "see if things improve" and don't go back.

lifebeginsat48 · 16/06/2022 21:32

frozendaisy · 16/06/2022 16:43

First of all you don't need medication.

He is happy to throw the splitting up card out in an argument because the dumb fuck thinks it will keep you in line, but he doesn't want to talk about it seriously because he has no power in that.

Make your plans, suggest a separation period where you live separately too "see if things improve" and don't go back.

I think the "trial separation" is the way forward. I can't just go because I'm not in the UK so the rules are different and I need to know my rights and how they will impact the DC before doing anything.

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