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Should I pull the plug?

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Yellow83Leaving · 10/06/2022 15:23

Hello everyone

New member, long-time lurker, first-time poster,...please be kind....

I've been married for 11 years and have one DS (8). I'm desperately unhappy. I think my husband has been emotionally manipulative throughout our marriage and I'm only just beginning to realise it. Even now, I'm having doubts - is he a total arse or have I just been watching too much Netflix??

Long story, brace yourselves....

My husband has been in and out of work throughout our marriage. He's only had a job for around half the time we've been together. I've had to work FT to support us all since my child was a few months old. Even though he now has a very well paid job, I am still harbouring resentment for all the time I've missed with my only child. (He wasn't a SAHD while he was unemployed, by the way - I had to put my DS in nursery and call on my parents to help because he couldn't really be relied upon to look after him properly - e.g. would let him stay in PJs all day, wouldn't get round to taking him out of the house, refused to go to playgroups etc, left all shopping, cooking and kid-based admin etc. to me).

I used to try to be sympathetic and supportive, thinking I didn't want to further damage the fragile self-esteem of a long-term unemployed 40-something man. I always encouraged him to apply for work, helped him with his CV, helped him write cover letters, sent him jobs that looked interesting. I never pressured him to take "any old" job just to bring some money in, even though it would have been handy. I felt that as I earned OK money, it was unfair to expect him to do a job for which he was overqualified (according to him). He was always going on about his former work glories - how he was a great salesman, better than this or that person - and it was usually someone else's fault that he had lost the job -e.g. he was bullied out, or someone was jealous of his success etc etc. It was exhausting.

I hated bringing up the job subject up because he'd get angry and upset - he used to say, "I'm not enjoying this either, I'm not a freeloader, I'm not out drinking with my mates, I'm at home feeling crap about myself." The house was always a mess but I couldn't ask him to clean up while I was at work because then I'd get accused of treating him like a 1950s housewife - he used to say if he was the one at work complaining that his wife didn't clean the house, he'd be accused of being a sexist pig. Of course, that shut me up - I'd leave those conversations feeling I should be more sympathetic and understanding, and feeling sorry for him.

When he HAS had a job, he's always been Big Important Job man - always tired, always stressed, too busy and important to do any of the house admin or child care - which, as ever, is left to me.

A couple of years ago, during lockdown, I had finally had enough. I said I wanted to split - the first thing he said to me was that he wanted our DS to live half the time with him. I felt as though I'd been punched in the gut. My DS is a sensitive soul and frankly, I hated the though of him having to go and spend half the week with his father. He's OK at being Fun Dad but shit with pretty much everything else - he doesn't do school drop off/pick up, activities, parties, play dates, shopping, laundry - that's all me and always has been. He's also short-tempered and grumpy. He has a very loud voice and can get very shouty with DS. When he's angry (with me or DS), he tends to storm off/slam doors/stop speaking/generally act like a kid himself. Long story short, it was enough to stop me in my tracks. He also promised to change, find a job (which he did, well, technically, a friend gave him a job), share chores, childcare, participate more in family life. It didn't last.

Now - finally - he has a very well paid WFH job with amazing benefits (bonus, stock options, health insurance etc). He earns nearly double what I bring home. I thought, after all the years of waiting, I'd be happy but actually I still feel miserable.

He's still grumpy, short-tempered and lazy - doesn't get up until 8:30 most days, leaving me to do breakfast, packed lunch and the school run; doesn't get up until 10ish at weekends; barely helps around the house; complains we never do anything/go anywhere but never lifts a finger to arrange anything; leaves all kid admin and house admin to me etc etc. The house is very tense all the time - he acts as if he doesn't want to be there one minute, and the next he's trying to make plans for renovations. He takes off for work trips with barely any notice, and then never calls when he's gone, not even to speak to DS. He can be loud and boorish, and tends to make everything about him. I have a lovely time when it's just DS and me; when it's the 3 of us, you could cut the tension with a knife.

When I complain about feeling I do more than my fair share, he gets a bit gaslighty - saying he DOES help but nothing he does is appreciated. The last convo we had about this, he actually said he feels he does a lot more housework than me (he definitely doesn't). I go away from these exchanges feeling very confused. Is it me? Have I just got a downer on him? Am I being a nag?

I've told him I'm unhappy and not sure I want to stay married. He said he thinks we should try to work things out but that he "doesn't want to be in a relationship where he's not wanted". I ended up feeling guilty and that I should probably try harder. I honestly don't know what to do....

A long rambler of a post, I know, but if anyone has any thoughts, I'd be happy to hear them...

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something2say · 10/06/2022 15:41

Leave. And get the courts to do child contact x

sleepymum50 · 10/06/2022 15:45

I was like you a couple of months ago. But I started seeing a therapist, and started realising my confusion was simply down to my husband saying black was white if it served his purpose. As an honest and fair minded person, I didn’t realise that some people will say anything they want if it means it wins an argument or it means they get their own way. My confusion has evaporated.

Just because your husband says he does more housework than you, doesn’t mean he actually thinks that. He just want you to shut up and maintain the status quo. Ie back to you doing the most house/work etc.

Each time he says something that makes you start questioning yourself, just ask yourself “what is he trying to achieve for himself?” Most answers will probably be - he just wants everything to stay cushy for him.

violetbunny · 10/06/2022 15:49

Leave.him saying he wants your child 50/50 s an empty threat. He currently leaves all the domestic stuff to you so will soon change his tune when he realises you're not there to facilitate and do the grunt work. He's likely only saying it for financial reasons so he doesn't have to pay maintenance.

graceofmoloko · 10/06/2022 15:55

Gosh definitely leave. You and your son will be so much happier. The 50/50 sounds like an empty threat and it won't be long before your DS can decide for himself where he wants to be and the courts will take this into account.

Are there any savings you can stash somewhere? It sounds like you've put a lot in financially and he hasn't, so 50/50 assets would seem extremely unfair.

PetersRabbitt · 10/06/2022 16:04

No chance would he go through with 50/50

frydae · 10/06/2022 16:06

I'm desperately unhappy.

I didn't actually read any more than this. Leave. Be happy.

Watchkeys · 10/06/2022 16:06

Leave.

Also, if he's doing more housework than you, offer to swap.

Wimbunds · 10/06/2022 16:13

I'd stop trying to explain how you feel to him. He doesn't care about your feelings, will use them as ammunition against you and it uses up valuable energy you can use to plan a new life without him.

Yellow83Leaving · 10/06/2022 16:31

Thanks for all the replies so far.

I should say he's not all awful. He can be kind-hearted, fun and when he has money, he is generous towards me and DS. I wonder if this is what has been tripping me up all these years - thinking 'underneath all the layers of nonsense is a good soul, who really loves us and just wants to be loved'. He had an abusive upbringing and a dysfunctional first marriage (I fell for the story about it being all down to his ex's awfulness but now I totally feel her pain) and I definitely used to feel that I couldn't abandon him because I'd just be letting him down like everyone else has.

Anyway, I think you're all probs right that 50/50 is probably an empty threat - if I went along with it, he'd soon lose interest in being a responsible adult...

@graceofmoloko I have put a lot in financially - the house is in my name (he couldn't get a mortgage cos of no job/bad credit) and I put in the deposit, furnished it, paid the mortgage, paid for building work and most of the bills for 10/11 years. It's only in the last year that he's started to properly contribute.
I have no worries about being able to look after myself and DS financially - however I am fearful he could take half the equity in the house. Ironically, it would leave him much better off than me as he earns so much more. I have a decent pension from a job that actually ended 5 years before I even met him - he has no pension (obvs) so I guess he'd be wanting a slice of mine. I know it's all supposed to be 50/50 etc and I want him to be comfortable but honestly, I feel that over the years, I've paid enough. I'm sure the courts wouldn't see it that way though and I'm going to end up properly screwed if we split. I feel like a total effing idiot.

@sleepymum50 I think you're bang on that what he actually wants is for things to stay cushy for him. He's told me he's unhappy cos there's no sex and no affection (down to me - none of this has been a turn on...) but I do get the feeling that if I just stopped complaining, put a smile on my face and started putting out, he would actually be fine. 🙁

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Yellow83Leaving · 10/06/2022 16:34

@frydae Thank you, I needed to hear that

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Watchkeys · 10/06/2022 16:37

underneath all the layers of nonsense is a good soul, who really loves us and just wants to be loved'. He had an abusive upbringing and a dysfunctional first marriage (I fell for the story about it being all down to his ex's awfulness but now I totally feel her pain) and I definitely used to feel that I couldn't abandon him because I'd just be letting him down like everyone else has

This is textbook manipulator stuff. You're far from the first to fall from it. If it didn't work, they wouldn't do it.

Yellow83Leaving · 10/06/2022 17:14

@sleepymum50 Are you still with your husband?

@Watchkeys Thanks. It's the first time I've ever written most of this stuff down. Seeing it in black and white is a bit of an eye-opener. I feel like a right mug.

I'm not sure though if this is a grand plan that he's actioning, evil genius-stylee, or just how he relates to people close to him - i.e. poor me, give me all your time, energy and attention (and money). His own sister once said to me 'he's very good at finding people who will take care of him'. I didn't really know what she meant at the time, but I definitely do now 😳

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sleepymum50 · 10/06/2022 18:13

reply to yellow83

Yes at the mo, but have decided to separate. Living together until we can get finances sorted. He’s feeling rather sorry for himself, I’m not.

SunnyShiner · 10/06/2022 19:56

No way that lazy fucker will want his DS half the time.

You've a happier life out there Flowers

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 10/06/2022 21:59

Oh my goodness

Go and see a solicitor - find out where you stand financially

No way will he follow through with 50:50 - he couldn't even be arsed to take proper care when he was at home!

What an arsehole. You can do better than this!

me4real · 10/06/2022 23:40

Pull the plug for sure @Yellow83Leaving .

I feel like a right mug.

I think some extent of stuff like this can happen to anyone. But we can always turn it around, and develop through having the experience.

Yellow83Leaving · 11/06/2022 09:25

sleepymum50 · 10/06/2022 18:13

reply to yellow83

Yes at the mo, but have decided to separate. Living together until we can get finances sorted. He’s feeling rather sorry for himself, I’m not.

Good for you - wishing for a swift and painless exit for you! X

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Yellow83Leaving · 11/06/2022 09:34

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 10/06/2022 21:59

Oh my goodness

Go and see a solicitor - find out where you stand financially

No way will he follow through with 50:50 - he couldn't even be arsed to take proper care when he was at home!

What an arsehole. You can do better than this!

I actually saw one a couple of years back in. She said if she was representing him, she’d advise him to go for 50/50 - presumably to give me the worst case scenario - and that my best option was to make him an offer. Said if it went to court and he wasn’t earning, he might get 50/50 assets based on need (ie he’d need somewhere for DS to stay) but now he’s actually earning more than me so I guess I’ll have to revisit. He’s always said (dramatically) he’d “never take a penny” from me if we split but given that he’s taken plenty of pennies over the years, I think I can pretty much discount that statement 🙄

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Yellow83Leaving · 11/06/2022 09:36

me4real · 10/06/2022 23:40

Pull the plug for sure @Yellow83Leaving .

I feel like a right mug.

I think some extent of stuff like this can happen to anyone. But we can always turn it around, and develop through having the experience.

Thank you, I agree… I think I just have to start looking forward based on what I want rather than what suits him xx

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DontLookBackInAnger1 · 11/06/2022 09:45

For your own sake, you need to leave. I'm really surprised you've lasted this long with someone so self entitled.

Your son will be fine. He's of the age where I'm sure he understands what's going on and respects you much more than his dad.

He's also of the age where he can start to express his wishes more and soon enough he won't want to go to dad's if dad can't even get his arse out the door for an outing or off the sofa to make dinner.

You owe it to you and your son to be respected and happy which you'll never be with your husband.

Arrivederla · 28/06/2022 17:29

I'm absolutely astonished you've stayed with this selfish, lazy man for so long!

Get rid op and then go out there and lead your best life.

SummerIsComingNowish · 28/06/2022 17:53

frydae · 10/06/2022 16:06

I'm desperately unhappy.

I didn't actually read any more than this. Leave. Be happy.

This!! Life is short, go and make your self happy

Yellow83Leaving · 29/06/2022 12:28

Thank you ladies!

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