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My partner is 17 years older and I want to have a child together

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Kt121 · 07/06/2022 22:04

Im new here and have a bit of a complicated story but here goes. Been with my partner 18 months.... hes everything ive ever wished for. There's a 17 year age gap but it doesn't bother me. I know it means our future may not be as long as if there was no age gap, but I just know he is my one and I never thought id be lucky enough to find that. He has children in there 20s, I have one age 13 and one age 6. We'd know each other a long time before we got together and I loved him before i knew it and never imagined we would be where are now. I never thought he would go into a relationship with young children but hes made it clear that he loved me too much not to try and make it work. I know he was nervous of diving in with young children as before us he'd been preparing for his retirement, but hes put everything into it and has built a lovely relationship with my boys. He's 54 and I'm 37.
Getting to the point..... back in January i found out I was pregnant as my contraception wasn't doing its thing (there's reasons behind that but its not relevant) anyway.... I panicked and booked an abortion and wanted to do it without telling him. I didn't want to tell him because I felt he wouldn't want a baby but I knew it would break his heart to tell me. We've talked in the past that it hurts that we didn't meet earlier and didn't get to have our earlier years together and hes said he was sad that we didn't get to have our children together. Hes said several times that seeing me with my boys makes him love me even more. I'd never expected to have anymore children so I'd never really considered any more in the future.
Anyway...I went to the appointment and they booked me in for the procedure.... another complication was that I'd been told I had CIN 3 abnormal cells and that I urgently needed them removed... they'd booked me an emergency appointment etc. This made me convince myself that I had to have the termination regardless of how he or I would feel and I didn't want him to have to feel the sadness I was feeling too so I was best to just not tell him. Anyway....a few days before the appointment I burst into tears and told him.... I couldn't stand lying to him. He instantly looked devastated....but before he had chance to speak I told him I'd booked the appointment for the termination because the cell removal procedure meant it wasn't something we could consider. He still looked devastated.... but all he said was I cant believe you were trying to do this alone. He cuddled me and said it would all be OK. He cuddled me pretty much solid for two days without us discussing it further. Eventually I asked him how he felt about it. He said he was worried for my health over the cells and that he just wanted to help me as much as he can. I thought he was relieved that id made the decision because it meant we didn't really have to go into the discussion of what we should do. I had the procedure and we went home and cried together all night and danced to our special us songs. I'd asked to see the scans before the procedure (I've no idea why but I needed to) , I took a photo in case he wanted to see too and becausei needed something to keep of our baby. (He had to wait outside because of covid). When I told him about the scan photo he literally burst into tears. He understood why I needed to see but said he didn't know if he could face it. I understood and said I didn't expect him to look but that if he ever decided he wanted to then id show him. Later that night he said he wanted to see... i told him to think about it for a few days but he insisted. When he saw it he smiled and cried and then said he loved that we'd had that thing we never got to do together.

We've cried many times together over it.... both devastated that we couldn't have it. I know I justify it to myself that it was because I had to have the cells removed and I think he does the same. But.... I know deep down that I did it because I didn't feel it was the right thing for him, and that whilst I know he would have supported my decision and been everything that child could have wished for.... I feel he would have always felt it wasn't the right thing and I didn't want that.
I genuinely am comfortable that I made the right decision..... but I also wish every day that id kept our baby.....it has made me realise that I would absolutely love to have a child together. I want to tell him that..... desperately.... but I think that whilst he wishes we'd done it together....I 100% don't think he'd want to start again at this point in life. His relationship with his children was difficult because his ex was controlling to the point it was abusive and she used his children against him and made it difficult for him to be properly close with them. It hurts him so much that i know its made him feel like he was a failure as a dad. I know thats not true because of what i see with him and my boys but its hurt him beyond repair. I know it would break his heart to have to say he didn't want children with me..... and I don't want him to feel that. But.... I feel like im lying to him by not telling him how I feel. I love him so much that I can fully accept not having children with him because he's everything I ever wanted in a relationship. Do I just let it go and not tell him or do I take the risk on the chance that it might be something he would be open to?

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HollowTalk · 07/06/2022 22:21

I'm sorry, and I'll get flamed for this, but a 17 year age difference is just ridiculous. He will retire 17 years before you. You will have to continue working. Why would you want that? Why would he want that? It's inevitable that you would be his carer. Think of it this way. If he was entering his data into a dating app, would he put the upper range as 17 years older than himself? That would mean he was looking for people age 74, wouldn't it? There is no way on this earth that he would do that.

Penguinsaregreat · 07/06/2022 22:30

Despite being a very un pc view, I think a man aged 54with adult children is too old to have more children. Just because you can does not mean you should.
You both already have children, focus on those.

Gazelda · 07/06/2022 22:31

I don't think I'd feel comfortable being in a long term relationship with someone I was unable to be completely open and honest with.

If it were me, I'd be finding a good time to open a conversation with something like "do you ever think about what if we'd kept the baby? I do". And see where that leads.

Kt121 · 07/06/2022 22:33

Just to add.... both my boys were unplanned pregnancies even the me and their dad were together 18 years. And with both of them there were reasons why I had to very carefully consider wether to go through with the pregnancies. With both I felt I probably shouldn't and actually planned to terminate (please don't judge..... ive jad an extremely complicated life) but when it came to actually doing it I couldn't and decided that those little miracles were the most important thing nd that I'd just make it work. And..... I absolutely did and they're both absolutely incredible boys and I couldn't wish for more. I'm struggling with the fact that I didn't give this baby its chance because I know it would have been the same story. BUT I made this decision for the right reasons.... because there were other complications going on as well as those mentioned... I was being made redundant and there was other very stressful things going on in both mine and my partners lives.
Because I feel sadness and regret that I didn't give it its chance..... I question myself if my reason for wanting us to have a child together it to try to make up for it in some way.
I'm sure most people reading this will probably think I should get counselling, I'd probably say the same if I read it. However having tried it for other situations in the past I know it doesn't work for me.... I tell them what I think they want to hear..... hence the reason I'm here....
I can pour my heart out to a stranger but not someone in person. I understand people can't answer my own questions, but would appreciate if anyone has an outside view they would be willing to share. Thanks x

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Kt121 · 07/06/2022 22:38

Totally respect your thoughts...I would have probably said the same in the past. Having been through a divorce I was very content alone and had no desire for a new relationship. It was just one of those things that happened and I can honestly say he makes me feel something I didn't believe was real. I'm very aware that I will potentially end up his carer.... but I am very much a realist and know what the future holds and wouldn't want it any other way x

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Kt121 · 07/06/2022 22:41

Thank you... I get it. I feel selfish for the way I'm feeling and before I met him was completely at peace that I have my wonderful boys and never needed more. Id never thought about it before the pregnancy.And I still don't need more.... Im just struggling with the feeling I had when I knew I had our little us

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Kt121 · 07/06/2022 22:47

This is exactly why I'm here. For the first time ever I've actually felt I could 100% be me with someone. I feel like me again which I haven't felt since I was a teenager. I cant stand it that I've not told him. But I think its because im questioning myself if it's really the right thing for me either and that it's possibly just a reaction because of the decision I made and how I feel about it. I don't want us to have to go through such a painful discussion if I've just not fully accepted what I did. Because I know it hurts him when I'm hurting and I hate that .

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HundredMilesAnHour · 07/06/2022 22:47

He's too old. You know that. It wouldn't be fair on the child having such an elderly father. And knowing it was highly likely they'd lose that father before they even made it to adulthood. That loss alone can screw someone up. You need to stop thinking about yourself and think about how it would impact a child instead - and also how it would impact your existing children. Be grateful for what you have.

Luredbyapomegranate · 07/06/2022 22:49

He’s too old to have kids, it’s not fair on them - when the eldest is 20, he would be 75, he will likely not make it past them being 30. Also, you both have children - you are already managing a blended family, I don’t think having more children will be to your children’s benefit.

I am sure you are a good mum and a sensible person, but you don’t appear to be thinking straight. That’s understandable, a termination can be very traumatic and I’m sorry you went through that. But you are coming across like a 20 year old in the first flush of love. Love is great, but you have only been with this guy 18 months, you weren’t able to be easily honest with him about your pregnancy, you are not considering the reality of giving children a much older father, nor the possibility that you will end up his carer. All in all this is not a mature relationship, and even if he were the same age as you, and you shouldn’t be bringing kids into it at this stage.

Everything has a season and his time for kids is gone, that should be Ok, because you have yours. Late love is different so focus on deepening your relationship and see where that takes you. A big age gap can be worth it, but you need to think sensibly about whether you really want to be living at the pace of an 80 year old when you are 60, and perhaps also being a full time carer in your 60s and 70s.

Kt121 · 07/06/2022 22:53

This is exactly why I'm here. For the first time ever I've actually felt I could 100% be me with someone. I feel like me again which I haven't felt since I was a teenager. I cant stand it that I've not told him. But I think its because im questioning myself if it's really the right thing for me either and that it's possibly just a reaction because of the decision I made and how I feel about it. I don't want us to have to go through such a painful discussion if I've just not fully accepted what I did. Because I know it hurts him when I'm hurting and I hate that

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Kt121 · 07/06/2022 23:01

Thank you.... I appreciate your directness. I had never considered us having children until the pregnancy and don't feel particularly comfortable with how im feeling about it which is why I came here. I'm ordinarily a very rational person, weigh up situations and usually make the right decisions. I came here because I needed some honest advice. I do feel like I want us to have a baby...but I suspect its due to feeling guilty that I didn't give the one we had its chance. As I said.... I know I made the right decision.... but it just consumes me sometimes an this is when I start feeling this way. I think I just need to tell him how I'm feeling but explain why I think im feeling it

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Kt121 · 07/06/2022 23:05

Thank you, genuinely I think this is why I put this here.... I needed to hear what I already know when I'm letting my emotions cloud my judgement x

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ChocolatemilkBertie · 07/06/2022 23:07

Sending you a hug because despite everything, you clearly are going through a major mental battle right now. You sound very distressed and I suggest you maybe meet with a professional if you can afford a few counselling sessions just to talk though everything.

what I will say is, I know a 72 year old dad. 22 year age gap between him and his wife. He had a previous child, they had a couple together when she was young and he was a tad on the older side but not crazily out of whack and…….well he’s finally approaching the end of the daily primary school pick ups as his youngest child is approaching the end of year 6. My dads the same age. His wife is lovely, they both love that child to bits but you can see it her eyes when they make retirement jokes. She has 17 years left, he retired as her maternity leave stopped. He’s admitted to just being exhausted, and has also admitted he can’t wait till the child can be left home alone after school while his wife is at work still so he can go out and enjoy his retirement. We could all see it from the outside, particularly once the baby was no longer a baby.

I think deep down you know the reality and it must be hard to accept. He clearly loves you and I think working together and some couples counselling you can work your way through this. Best of luck to you

catandcoffee · 07/06/2022 23:08

Can't you just enjoy your life together without the complications of babies.

It's lovely you've found someone you're happy with. Concentrate on your children and the man you love.

GaiaWise · 07/06/2022 23:09

I think you should talk to him.
And to give an opposing view to the ‘he’s too old’ comments, my dad was in his early sixties when I was born and he was just the most amazing father. He was retired, and v involved and was always patient, loving, wise with unlimited time to spend with me and my siblings. I would have picked another /younger dad for the world.

Herejustforthisone · 07/06/2022 23:16

Focus on the children you have.

PinkSyCo · 07/06/2022 23:21

I too think that it wouldn’t be fair to purposely have another child with a 54 year old man. I think you should just try to be grateful that you have found a lovely man who gets on very well with your kids, and don’t complicate things by doing things that could potentially spoil what you have.

Kt121 · 07/06/2022 23:47

I am so happy and grateful for what I have. I could honestly go out of this world tomorrow feeling content that I've been lucky to have all I've ever wished for and more. This feeling I have isn't a need.... its a desire. If I discussed it with him and he said he didn't want it I wouldn't feel cheated or like I'd missed out... I just feel its something we should have had and it would have been wonderful. This thread has made me rationalise it though and I think im just having an emotional moment thats clouding my judgement.
Thank you

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Kt121 · 08/06/2022 00:36

Yes... I 100% know I can. I'm a very rational person usually and this is why I came here. I think my emotions have been getting the better of me and I needed a reality check. It's genuinely helped. I feel like im the luckiest girl in the world for all that I have. I will discuss it with him because I don't want to hide anything but after the advice I think I m understanding it and can share it with him with a clearer mind. Thank you

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Kt121 · 08/06/2022 00:40

Thank you... its good to hear similar situations. I've no doubt he adores that child but reading your words made me feel he should have probably had his chance to wind down and do his own thing at retirement after a lifetime of working and life's ups and downs. My partner has had his fair share of pain and struggles in life and he 100% deserves his time 😊

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Kt121 · 08/06/2022 00:46

This is amazing 😊its lovely to hear and I've no doubt he loved the opportunity to spend the time watching you grow that he probably wouldn't have had in his younger working years. Its so lovely that it worked for him and you as a family. I'm going to talk to him because I never want to hide anything from him. But.... I think there's emotions attached to this that are influencing me that probably shouldn't be when making a decision about such a massive thing. I know if we had a child he would put everything into it...I see it with the way he is with my boys. However.... if im really honest with myself.... I don't think it's the right thing for him, and probably not me. I'm so grateful for what I have.... I don't feel I need more. I think im just possibly still trying to process the decision I made. Thank you x

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Loopyloopy · 08/06/2022 01:48

I think that the key thing is that you weren't considering children before the pregnancy. A termination can cause all sorts of feelings and grief - that does not mean that it was the wrong decision. The CIN aspect adds a whole new layer of complexity, too. You are allowed to feel conflicted. You and him are allowed to be sad about not being able to continue the pregnancy, while at the same time recognising that a baby is not something you really want (and you should not have a baby unless you really want it).

Honesty, in your shoes, I would probably just embrace this new stage of life together, a stage of life that is not full of nappies and sleepless nights.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 08/06/2022 02:00

HollowTalk · 07/06/2022 22:21

I'm sorry, and I'll get flamed for this, but a 17 year age difference is just ridiculous. He will retire 17 years before you. You will have to continue working. Why would you want that? Why would he want that? It's inevitable that you would be his carer. Think of it this way. If he was entering his data into a dating app, would he put the upper range as 17 years older than himself? That would mean he was looking for people age 74, wouldn't it? There is no way on this earth that he would do that.

He doesn’t have to retire before her, she does not have to continue working, and it’s not inevitable that she will have to be his carer.

Kt121 · 08/06/2022 02:18

Hi all

Just wanted to say thanks for you all taking your time to give your advice. It has helped me...genuinely.
Just a couple of things I wanna say...
I fully respect and understand the comments about our age difference... I would have thought it was crazy before. However what I need to say is that whilst I would have never imagined being with someone so much older...it has genuinely been the most amazing thing in.my life beside my boys. Yes the future most likely hold challenges but I wouldn't want it any other was than him and me.
All of your comments have given me a reality check and i think its helped me make sense of it all.
I'm definitely going to discuss my feelings with him tomorrow. Not to try to have a baby... but to let him help me deal with this.

Thank you xx

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Kt121 · 08/06/2022 02:21

Just wanna say thanks for this.... it was the best advice. We don't hide anything and we help each other so I need to let him in x

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