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I've done something terrible ...

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/05/2022 20:51

I read my friend's Messenger messages. Well one of them. I know you will all go mad at me, and I understand why, but I have some serious concerns and I know I can't do anything about them. Sorry this is rather long.

It's a long saga; she has been involved with many men online, many of them who just seem to find her on Facebook and start a dialogue. There has been a married man, a local man who was odd, two who threatened her with the police for not backing off, and a relatively local guy (call him George) who has mucked her around for almost 10 months future-faking and pretending, lying and dropping her and picking her up. She has never met any of these men in real life but has engaged in sexual dialogue with them.

She's been having counselling through IAPT but that has now stopped for a while though she is due for an assessment in a month or so. I've listened to her crying and upset for hours, day after day because of these men. She recently had a visit from the police, which has resulted in the safeguarding team and her GP getting involved and checking up on her. She had been drinking, playing loud music and dancing about in the backyard and one of the neighbours had been in touch about it, instead of confronting her directly. She engages men (neighbour, the Domino delivery guy, anyone) in inappropriate chat. She is a worry, in short.

I veer between staying in touch weekly and keeping the conversation light because all this started to get me down, and worrying about her and checking she is OK. She seems to want to self-destruct in some way, making poor choices and self-sabotage.

Today I was at her house and used her laptop for some research. I looked at her messenger because I had been subjected to a tirade about George last week and I wanted to see if he was still messing her about. I wasn't going to do anything with the info but I wanted to be aware, There were no messages from him, there were several from people I know - her sisters, other friends from school, people I know. But the one that was on top and which was open was from a man with just initials. The profile picture looked like the man from Bad Manners and so did the photos I saw later. I clocked many of the messages and they were sexual in tone and very explicit. I didn't read them in detail but was enough to get the gist. They were sending intimate pictures to each other too, which you can imagine. They had sent photos of themselves and he had sent a video, that of course I didn't open. I skim read the messages but it was certainly enough.

This man is married as his wife was mentioned and my friend was saying that the wife looked a mess. He said that his mother lives near my friend and he will call to see her. I doubt they have ever met, but he may well turn up on her doorstep. She had given him her full address on the messages. He looks revolting, but if he looked like Orlando Bloom it still isn't appropriate.

There's nothing I can do about this. I can't talk to her for obvious reasons - it is her business, but she is putting herself at risk. If I tell any friends IRL as they may think I am untrustworthy and would go in their purse/handbag/phone (I wouldn't - I have never done this before and have no reason to with anyone and I never would) and give me a wide berth.

What do I do? I guess the answer is absolutely nothing. This guy might share the photos and it could end in a nightmare. Do I call the safeguarding team at the police? She was open with me about that, and showed me the correspondence. If I did, would they divulge who had told them?

I expect many comments saying I am no friend, cannot be trusted and that sort of thing but I do hope that someone at least understands where I am coming from.

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BiggTree · 26/05/2022 21:22

I'm not sure there is anything you could do. Support her as much or as little as you can afford and if this becomes difficult, prioritize your own wellbeing.

TokyoTen · 26/05/2022 21:55

I think you need to back off entirely. I don't think you can stop her hitting the self destruct button so frequently. If she has counselling and the authorities are aware I think you need to leave well alone. You sound like it will harm you if you don't.

Circumferences · 26/05/2022 21:58

You've answered your own OP.
Nothing you can do it's her life. Not your monkeys or your circus really.

MrsBlaue · 26/05/2022 22:07

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taylorsdoinapart · 26/05/2022 22:10

I don't think there's anything you can do. She's an adult and she's entitled to make her own poor choices.

GregBrawlsInDogJail · 26/05/2022 22:13

Where does a safeguarding team come into this for an adult who is presumably legally competent? Adults get to do outstandingly stupid self-destructive things to themselves if they want.

Seriously, what keeps you in this 'friendship'? What are you getting out of this dynamic?

Londonderry34 · 26/05/2022 22:18

I had a much loved friend like this. She was very, very ill and was exploited terribly by men. I understand what you are saying here. We had some - not great - support from the local well being team. You are a good friend, your concern is real and you need to engage support from social services. Vulnerable women are abused by men and it does not help their well being at all. I hear you.

Sheesh89 · 26/05/2022 22:21

God. While I agree OP shouldn't get embroiled in this and shouldn't have checked messages....it is OK to care about your mates. If you have a friend you care about who is doing very risky and self destructive things it's acceptable to try and help. People on MN are always so like "back off" as if it's a point of pride to not give a shit about anyone or make any effort to help someone who is clearly desperately unhappy.

OP was obviously not being nosy or doing it for the drama...but was worried for her friend and rightly so. The friend has a right to destroy her own life but OP is allowed to wonder how best to help.

Heresafe · 26/05/2022 22:21

MrsBlaue people can have busy, productive lives and still mean well towards other people. I do agree though this is over-involvement and beyond what a friend should know full details of , but it seems well-intentioned and because OP is concerned.

OP I would still keep a better /normal boundary and certainly not look at private messages again . and ultimately help her any way you feel you can ; you might care about your friend but she’s not your responsibility.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/05/2022 22:21

GregBrawlsInDogJail · 26/05/2022 22:13

Where does a safeguarding team come into this for an adult who is presumably legally competent? Adults get to do outstandingly stupid self-destructive things to themselves if they want.

Seriously, what keeps you in this 'friendship'? What are you getting out of this dynamic?

I'm not getting a lot out of it actually except memories. We've been friends since school so it's historic.

Safeguarding team was as a result of someone calling the police because of her being drunk in the garden playing loud music regularly. She's been called by her GP and the police.

She's been telling this guy on the messages all about her mental health problems in detail

You know what? I'm going to leave her to it. If pictures of her end up all over the internet that's her circus and monkeys. 🎪 🐒

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Aquamarine1029 · 26/05/2022 22:30

This friendship has come to an end, and her shenanigans are impacting you personally. You need to back away and let her get on with it.

IAmMeThisIsI · 26/05/2022 22:35

How close are you to her? Can you possibly explain to her (like you have to us here) that you're extremely worried about her? You don't have to tell her about the messages. You can use the other incidents (of her past issues) as examples for your concern. You could research stories online that back up your reasons for worries regarding meeting strange men online and present this information to her out of genuine concern. See what she says. Maybe use an example of where this behaviour ended badly or in tears, then shoe horn the topic into conversation. Then after that conversation, every time she cries about another bloke online, bring out stories of cautionary tales once again. If you don't get anywhere I would start thinking about your own mental well-being and whether or not this friendship is worth the mental toll.

IAmMeThisIsI · 26/05/2022 22:37

Londonderry34 · 26/05/2022 22:18

I had a much loved friend like this. She was very, very ill and was exploited terribly by men. I understand what you are saying here. We had some - not great - support from the local well being team. You are a good friend, your concern is real and you need to engage support from social services. Vulnerable women are abused by men and it does not help their well being at all. I hear you.

This is an excellent comment OP. And don't let anyone make you feel guilty for caring.

SueDeNeem · 26/05/2022 22:38

Look, youve opened Pandoras box and you've seen what you've seen. Horrible and worrying but you can only be there to pick up the pieces.
Maybe you should step away from the relationship? Is it bringing you joy and light? If not, why not take a breather?

MrsBlaue · 26/05/2022 22:39

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Tossedsaladandrambledlegs · 26/05/2022 22:40

There isn’t a lot of protection for vulnerable adults in society that don’t have a diagnosis or are considered capable of independent living yet they are often exploited. It’s hard to know without knowing her. Does she have full capacity? Any other trusted adults in her life?

taylorsdoinapart · 26/05/2022 22:45

The safeguarding team are involved because she's drunk playing music in her garden? So do my neighbours and it's impossible to get anyone to give a shit and deal with it. If she has capacity I'm not sure there's much you can do, you can't make her change her ways and it sounds like it's affecting you quite a bit. All you can do is watch from a distance and be there for her.

collieresponder88 · 26/05/2022 22:53

I don't see how it's a safeguarding issue unless she is underage or vulnerable ? I understand you are worried but she is entitled to a private life and make her own mistakes. I don't think there is anything you can do other than be there for her. I bet most people have things on their phones or laptops which their friends would be surprised about !

pattish · 26/05/2022 22:57

I’m amazed at the lack of compassion here. Are we only supposed to be friends with people if we ‘get something out of it’? True friends stick around, and she sounds like an incredibly vulnerable person. If I were OP I’d find it incredibly hard to just walk away.

@MrsBlaue sorry, but you sound horrible and slightly unhinged!

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 26/05/2022 23:20

@MrsBlaue sorry, but you sound horrible and slightly unhinged!

Totally agree. It’s you who should get a life, @MrsBlaue

Blinky21 · 26/05/2022 23:32

Is your friend bipolar, it would explain some of her behaviour.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/05/2022 23:39

Blinky21 · 26/05/2022 23:32

Is your friend bipolar, it would explain some of her behaviour.

Not diagnosed but it really wouldn't surprise me.

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Notbeinfunnehbut · 26/05/2022 23:47

im not really sure there’s much the police can do

shes an adult and is making active choices , her and this dispicable man are putting his poor innocent wife at risk of STIs save you’re concern for her

id take photos of the messages and send them to the wife , that poor woman, the fact she knows he’s married what a scummy specimen she is.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/05/2022 01:22

Notbeinfunnehbut · 26/05/2022 23:47

im not really sure there’s much the police can do

shes an adult and is making active choices , her and this dispicable man are putting his poor innocent wife at risk of STIs save you’re concern for her

id take photos of the messages and send them to the wife , that poor woman, the fact she knows he’s married what a scummy specimen she is.

I can't do any of those things. I saw it on her laptop and have no contact details for the guy or his wife. Otherwise I'd consider it. They've never met, it's all messages pictures and videos.

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