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DD doesn't want to see her father

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lifeissweet · 21/05/2022 16:35

This has been an ongoing saga for a few years now.

DD (10) doesn't like her Dad (my ex).

We split up when she was 2, and for years, he saw her every other weekend and one evening in the week. There wasn't really any issues.

When lockdown happened, he was CEV and decided not to see her at all for about 5 months. This was fine by her. They talked on the phone occasionally.

When he started seeing her again, he decided he wanted more of a 50/50 arrangement, which I am fine with. I never wanted to stand in the way of their relationship and 50/50 was what I envisaged when we first split up, but it didn't suit him at the time.

It started out ok, but over time, DD struggled with it and had screaming meltdowns every time she has to go there.

When I probed, she told me about the things she doesn't like about his behaviour, which were all things I recognised from living with him. It's nothing abusive or malicious at all, he is just quite blunt, he parents by decree. He uses the 'because I said so' parenting philosophy. He always wants them to be out and about and doing something (which I think is great), but she has a busy week and would rather chill out a bit and do her crafting and reading and things at weekends. She says he shows no interest in the things she enjoys and teases her about everything she likes to do (she is highly sensitive to being laughed at). She says that, any time they do spend at home, he ignores her and watches sport (this was a big problem for me when we were together, so I recognise it). He also has a temper and, although he would never hurt her, he does raise his voice and slams doors and punches tables and things.

Once he accepted some of her points of view (after weeks of him denying it all, minimising her feelings and saying she is just being manipulative and a spoilt brat) he started trying to change some of his handling of her.

Things didn't improve and it was ruining my time with her, as every time it was nearing time for her to go to her Dad's, she would start getting emotional and acting up to avoid going.

I managed to persuade him that this was maybe because of the pattern of contact and that changing houses so often must be really difficult. We changed the arrangement so he now has her from Sunday afternoon - Tuesday morning every week. As she is at school on Monday, this is not a lot of time.

Things seemed to improve a bit for a while.

But today, she has spent the last hour crying on her bed because she doesn't want to go tomorrow, doesn't like her Dad, doesn't understand why we don't let her decide for herself.

I don't know what to do. She says she just doesn't like him.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 21/05/2022 16:38

Have you asked her what contact pattern she would like?

It's clear that your Ex's attitude is not good for her emotional well being.

KangarooKenny · 21/05/2022 16:38

I think she should get to decide, as I was the child who didn’t want to stay overnight too.
How would it be if he took her out somewhere instead, then dropped her home ?

Doingmybest12 · 21/05/2022 16:42

I would hate to be with some one like that and you clearly did too. I would listen to what she is saying and make an arrangement she is happy with.

SpindleInTheWind · 21/05/2022 16:44

He'll lose her altogether by the age of 13 if he's not careful. But he doesn't sound like an easy man to spell it out to. Is she on half-term next week - can you suggest a day out on Monday (or tomorrow) where he brings her back in the evening?

I think a pattern of day trips for a while might help to stabilise things while you decide what to do.

lifeissweet · 21/05/2022 17:00

Thank you so much, everyone.
I agree that day trips would be a good idea and I am also thoroughly unhappy with making her go when she doesn't want to.

He blames me for this. He says that 'of course she prefers your house. You are too soft with her.'

I'm not soft. She doesn't always get her own way and I have rules. It's just more that we agree those rules and I don't often have to lay down the law, she just does what is expected. If it's something negotiable (like what's for dinner) we discuss it.

He would prefer me to tell her she has to go and that's that. That's not how I parent, though.

He is now telling me that 'all this is affecting my mental health'

So I have them both being emotional and blaming me and I feel a bit powerless. I want to stick up for my DD, I really do. I think I just need to know that I'm not being a horrible monster by telling him he has to see a whole lot less of her.

I asked what arrangement DD wants and she said 'to always stay with you and never go there'.

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RandomMess · 21/05/2022 17:33

I would tell him "you need to rebuild a relationship with her. I suggest you take her out one weekend day and have her after school every week until she is happy and willing to stay at yours again".

Push the ball back into his court. If there isn't a CAO I would let her take a break to diffuse the situation.

lifeissweet · 21/05/2022 18:11

RandomMess · 21/05/2022 17:33

I would tell him "you need to rebuild a relationship with her. I suggest you take her out one weekend day and have her after school every week until she is happy and willing to stay at yours again".

Push the ball back into his court. If there isn't a CAO I would let her take a break to diffuse the situation.

This is a good plan. Thank you

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pointythings · 21/05/2022 20:13

A her age he needs to be a parent she wants to spend time with - otherwise he is going to lose her as soon as she is old enough in the eyes of the law to make that decision.

If he is still slamming and thumping around her, that is abusive.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/05/2022 20:24

She does not like her dad for good reason.

Why was contact with your DD informally arranged with him, was this really because you were afraid of him and or his reaction to being told otherwise?.

Your ex is no good for either your daughter or you to be around. He only cares about his own self and he has not changed at all since you left him.

lifeissweet · 21/05/2022 20:32

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/05/2022 20:24

She does not like her dad for good reason.

Why was contact with your DD informally arranged with him, was this really because you were afraid of him and or his reaction to being told otherwise?.

Your ex is no good for either your daughter or you to be around. He only cares about his own self and he has not changed at all since you left him.

I'm not at all scared of him. He's really not intimidating (to me anyway), but I imagine his temper is scary for DD.

We arranged it informally because we're pretty amicable. I just threw him out because I got sick of his laziness and lack of input. He did nothing with the baby and watched sport all day long. I lost any feelings I may have fleetingly had for him and that was it. It wasn't because he was angry or abusive, just that he was a bit of a twat.

He has an infuriating habit of saying unpleasant things and then saying 'only joking' when challenged. He does it to DD and upsets her.

It's clear that i'm not a fan, but I have honestly tried not to communicate this to DD. I don't slag him off to her, but when she tells me the things she doesn't like about him, I recognise them. When he denies any of the things I raise, I often say 'but she's telling me things I have experienced myself, so it's not untrue, is it?

I think he genuinely wants to believe he's a good Dad, but doesn't really understand what that looks like beyond discipline (which doesn't work because she has less than no respect for him) and going on outings. He buys her things. That's about it. It doesn't matter how many times I explain what being a parent actually is and what she needs from him. He always reverts to 'children must do what their parents say' and 'if I buy her a toy, she'll love me'.

Anyway. I'll lay it on the line with him tomorrow. No more overnight. He can take her out for the odd afternoon at weekends, but until she actually wants to go, that's it.

I will remind him that the core of parenting is doing what is best for the child regardless of your own feelings.

This isn't what I want either, but she comes first.

Thanks for the support. I thought people were going to tell me I have to be strict with her and tell her she has no choice.

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