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Strange situation, What should I do???

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MammaS1986 · 17/05/2022 15:06

Hello, first off I am new to the community and I will try to keep this as brief as possible and give the short version. I have been married for 12 years now. My husband and I have a blended family where I came in with two kids from a previous marriage ( children's bio father is deceased) and he came in with one (was never married to step sons mom, we have visitation only). We then had one child together. However, today is not about the kids. Our kids are all getting older as we are too. Our marriage has had a lot of ups and downs in these years. Including money/job issues and infidelity on both of our parts. My issue is we are originally from the New York area when we were at a very low point in 2016 we decided we would see someone. We could not afford a counselor so we went to our Pastor from church at the time. We told each other everything and agreed to move forward, build trust and work on the marriage. Around 2017 I discovered he was still lying and was downloading single ups and meeting up with women, even though he swears things never got physical, only talked about it. I did find texts where he was asking someone if they should "meet behind the house they did last time" and giving someone ETA's as he was driving. So hard to believe he never got physical, right? In 2017 we decided what we needed was another fresh start. He had a job loss and we were not making enough money to get by anyway. We moved to the Virginia area where we both have thrived in the job market and I could not be happier with my career. However, the move was suppose to help with a fresh start for the marriage and when I got down here I was a month behind him due to kids being in school and trying to sell a home so when I came about a month after him I was here two months before I found two packs of cigarettes' in his car(he has never smoked). Also I found that more "date local singles" apps and chat apps had been downloaded on his phone. He claims that the cigarettes are from a man that he works with and so on and so forth and I never could prove anything. Finally after getting hints and smells of cigarette smoke on him and in my house I told him we had to go to a marriage counselor or I was done. As we started our sessions he did admit to the strangest thing that I have a hard time believing. That years ago he heard ppl say smoking calms nerves and he wanted his nerves calmed so he tried smoking. However he said he could not bare the actual smoke, so he claims he started lighting and watching the smoke burn the cigarette. He claims this calms him and takes all his thoughts away. The counselor seems to think this is legit but I'm not so sure. He told me then he would try to quite this strange habit but I have caught him several times since with either cigarettes' in his car or cigarette butts in the toilet when I get home because he forgot to flush. Also since neither of us have ever been smokers there are times I can smell it pretty obviously! If he is not actually smoking them then why cant he stop??? its very frustrated because he has been caught red handed multiple times and never wants to own up. He tries very hard to gaslight me in these situations because I can clearly smell or taste the smoke on him or see ashes and he always acts like I'm crazy. At this point it may seem petty to be mad over something like this but its just strange, I think he is actually smoking and maybe started to be around another woman that smoked and now cant quit, whether he is still seeing the person or not? I truly wanted a fresh start and to be happy when we made our move, I also love our current community but don't know if I can deal with this forever. How can someone claim to care about you and then want to lie to you so easily? I cannot tell anyone in my family, they are back in New York and under the impression that since the move things are going great. My father was bitter about the move and moving his grand children away so I do not want to admit fault or that I was stupid enough to believe my husband when he said this would be a fresh start. I just do not know if this is the marriage I want for the next several years. Sorry so long and feel free to ask questions if anyone wants more back story then this because there is plenty. Any advice?

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Zemw · 17/05/2022 15:16

He has repeatedly downloaded chat apps. That would be enough for me.

He is a lier and a cheat. Open your eyes and move back to your family.

You will never trust him.

KettrickenSmiled · 17/05/2022 15:32

Why do you think that talking to a marriage counsellor will stop him from cheating on you?

Harsh as this sounds OP, I think you need to pick yourself up, give yourself a giant hug, tell yourself that YOU & your DC are doing ok - & stop flogging this dead horse.

My father was bitter about the move and moving his grand children away so I do not want to admit fault or that I was stupid enough to believe my husband
For crying out loud you CANNOT allow other people;s supposed opinions to dictate your own major decisions about your life, & what will make you happy.

In what way will you need to "admit fault"?
In what way is it YOUR 'stupidity'? - you're not the one shagging around, telling lies, gaslighting & creating hurt.

I just do not know if this is the marriage I want for the next several years.
Any advice?
Plenty! - Go here for it - "Leave a cheater, gain a life"! - www.chumplady.com/

Chumplady is seriously excellent. She's also hilarious, so get yourself onto your fellow countrywoman's site pronto OP - & stop second-guessing what other people might think about your decision to quit your cheat.

ComtesseDeSpair · 17/05/2022 15:42

I think that in a dysfunctional marriage where you’ve both been unfaithful and have so many other issues, if you really want to stay together for some reason then the most successful way you’re going to do it is to acknowledge that both of you have needs you need to have met elsewhere and agree to continue the marriage on that basis. It at least means one less thing to need to worry about honesty over.

Quite truthfully though it doesn’t sound like a marriage worth saving. There’s no prize given out at the end of your life for staying the longest in a marriage. Neither of you are happy, trying to agree the most amicable split possible is the best thing you can do for you and your DC.

MammaS1986 · 17/05/2022 16:42

Thank you all so much for your advise. So I think that everyone seems to be in agreement that he may still be cheating. More context I have been allowed to check the phone and email and have access to all that now. So far no evidence of cheating I think it is now just this smoking issue? that is what is so bizarre? Does anyone out there think he is doing this as a way to calm nerves? is that a thing anyone has heard of or should I go with what I think? started an actual cigarette addition to maybe get close to someone? I thought the counselor would help because he does not want to get a divorce. Also for more context even if I did get a divorce I would not move back. My children and I are doing very well here socially and financially. I would just have to penny pinch and move out to another cheaper place, but I do not feel that I would be as bad off as some so feel lucky in that aspect.

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EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 17/05/2022 18:11

I have been allowed to check the phone and email and have access to all that now

So you have access to his phone after giving him time to delete anything incriminating 🤔

He is fucking someone else and that someone smokes. Come on OP, you're surely not naive enough to believe his bullshit!?

I thought the counselor would help because he does not want to get a divorce

Who gives a shiny shit what he wants? Cos it sure as hell ain't a monogamous marriage.

MammaS1986 · 17/05/2022 18:24

Sorry I should clarify again, no it’s not like I suspect something, bring it to him, and then ask to see things. I have access to his phone and email around the clock. I even am in control of the bill so if something is deleted from the phone I could still see it on our statement. It has been that way for about two years now.

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KettrickenSmiled · 17/05/2022 18:27

I suspect your close attention to the details of his phone & .... erm ... his odd cigarette habits is keeping you from seeing the big picture OP.

Which is - he's a cheat & a liar who has been giving you the runaround for years.

Why not commit to that fresh start you wanted - but this time by dumping his worthless arse?

MammaS1986 · 17/05/2022 18:32

Yes, thank you all for your advice again.

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