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thebluehen · 14/05/2022 06:57

I'm a hormonal 48 year old woman who has been with her partner for 14 years.

We have been through a lot, mainly issues with his 4 kids and ex wife. The kids have now grown up and without the constant stress and work of 5 kids (1 is my own), I feel we have nothing to talk about.

If I do talk about myself, he doesn't really engage with me. One sentence at the most before he changes the subject. We talk a lot about his work and I ask questions and show an interest.

I'm depressed and have been trying lots of ways to manage it over the last year, including HRT, counselling and a healthy lifestyle. He knows this and has never once asked how I'm feeling or if I want to talk. I have, however, had several "chats" where I am told I'm not affectionate enough and only with him for his money (this is not true on either account). I have counted the times he is affectionate towards me over a year since he said it then and for every time I show affection is ten times more than him. I am financially secure so I literally have no idea where the money comment came from.

I do all the housework, life admin, gardening etc. he washes up and puts some of the recycling out. I asked him not to wake me at 5am (he knows I am struggling with insomnia) to put the glass recycling out and he told me to "do it myself then" so I do that bit too.

His dad has never really acknowledged his achievements and I feel my everyday life is him ignoring me like his dad does to him. For example, I make a cake, he walks in says "hmm cake" eats some but then doesn't make any comment. I'll tell him I've spent four hours in the garden and tell him what I've done and he'll simply ignore me. If I organise a night out and know where to go, what time etc, he will ignore me and tell me to go x way or Z way rather than listen to me. This has resulted in me really trying to ram the point home over things because it's only natural to want a reaction. Sometimes I literally don't know if he's heard me.

The other thing is that he gets stressed and anxious when we go out to somewhere new (holidays have been an issue) and this is where the ignoring becomes nasty snappiness. He made a decision over a bus on a foreign holiday once which meant we ended up walking for miles. I have had similar with friends on holiday and we have laughed and remembered with fondness our "escapades" but with him he turns nasty, accuses me of getting it wrong (I just went with what he wanted) and at best won't talk to me and at worst snaps nastily at me. After 14 years I am starting to feel anxiety about going out with him and starting to make excuses which I'm sure he sees as proof of my disinterest in him.

I am toying with the idea of trying to talk to him but I am too frightened of his reaction, not because he'll shout and swear or call me names like you often read on here, but because he will use it as a chance to list all my failings and faults (most of which will be fabricated) and I will become incensed at the injustice of it. So I keep quiet. I feel that my choices are to stay depressed or talk to him and get more depressed.

I feel so lonely. I only make small talk with other people too. I work from home part time so sometimes he's the only person I see. I smile and ask everyone else about themselves but just feel empty inside.

OP posts:
Daffyaboutdaffs · 14/05/2022 07:29

I am struggling to see what you get out of this relationship. Is there any fun? Does he have good points which outweigh the bad?

thebluehen · 14/05/2022 07:40

My counsellor asked me the exact same thing.

When I feel I get some engagement from him, I feel we can get on well if the situation is right. We have similar values. He can be funny and is good company with others, although I have been the butt of a few jokes in front of his friends which, again, has made me feel wary about our socialising now too.

He is generous and likes going out - we are often eating out and we always walk the dog together.

We have had a few crises and we did pull together - when his ex wife took him to court over custody of the kids and when my last relative died suddenly leaving a big business to tie up. I felt we were a strong team.

OP posts:
MintJulia · 14/05/2022 07:57

Frank talk time. You can't go in like that so tell him you feel lonely, belittled and ignored and you are thinking of leaving because life has no joy any more.
Be clear in advance (write it down) what you want to change. And never ever stay with anyone you are afraid of. xx

Suprima · 14/05/2022 08:05

Why do you want to marry this loser who clearly has no respect for you?

it’s been 14 years. If he wanted to marry you he would have asked a decade ago. He doesn’t. Please don’t lower yourself into begging for a proposal from a man who a) doesn’t want to marry you, b) treats you with contempt and c) has no interest in your life and your concerns, whilst you fret about his anxiety and daddy issues.

I’m sorry you’ve wasted your time- but you won’t get your diamond prize for sticking with him. And he isn’t a prize either.

Suprima · 14/05/2022 08:05

Oh, and d) treats you like a domestic slave and personal assistant!

heldinadream · 14/05/2022 08:11

@Suprima I did not read it as OP wants to get engaged and married, but that OP would like her partner to engage with her more.
OP I too, am struggling to see what's good about this relationship. He sounds totally unappreciative of you and you sound lonely and lost. Have you thought of or suggested joint counselling?

thebluehen · 14/05/2022 08:27

My title is a bit misleading.

He proposed 13 years ago, we are engaged. I've never felt able to marry him because I think, deep down, I don't trust him to care about me.

We've both been married before and had difficult divorces. I'm sure my inability to marry him doesn't help how he feels about me. He never talks to me about it though only as a sarcastic comment in front of his friends.

OP posts:
Threetulips · 14/05/2022 08:45

Bite the bullet and leave.

Find some friends and have a few girls nights out and remember you are worthy.

Hes a loser - and he’s dragging you down with him.

Lizziekisss · 14/05/2022 08:48

Maybe a break would do you good. Could one of you move out for a while?

Newestname002 · 14/05/2022 09:41

thebluehen · 14/05/2022 08:27

My title is a bit misleading.

He proposed 13 years ago, we are engaged. I've never felt able to marry him because I think, deep down, I don't trust him to care about me.

We've both been married before and had difficult divorces. I'm sure my inability to marry him doesn't help how he feels about me. He never talks to me about it though only as a sarcastic comment in front of his friends.

I think this is the point, OP, where you start researching if you'd be better completely separating from this man who you don't really trust (understandably) and who doesn't seem to add much to your life.

Can you really see yourself in this same situation for the next 20+ years? Doesn't sound like he is making you happy now - let alone in the years ahead. 🌹

MrMrsJones · 14/05/2022 09:44

Your 48, get the fuck out of this dowdy, pointless relationship.

Live your life

oviraptor21 · 14/05/2022 10:39

You haven't said what your question is but based on the information you've given I'd be ending this partnership and regaining my freedom.

thebluehen · 14/05/2022 12:28

I think I keep thinking it's me. I had an abusive upbringing and counselling has taught me that we see things through our own lens and maybe it's me picking out these things and making them bigger than they are.

I almost wish someone could sit silently and invisibly with us and give us feedback.

We had couples therapy years ago and the counsellor said he had ever met anyone as "emotionally dyslexic" as my partner. I cried a lot in those sessions and I think he learnt to have some kindness towards me. We also talked a lot about his childhood and how he felt "never good enough" and this is why he feels what he does often without any real evidence but he is just adamant and can't be reasoned with. I cried when I said how tired I was with working in a job all day, cooking for 7, washing for 7 etc etc and all the practicalities and then sitting down at night helping him send emails to his ex wife and I wasn't sleeping. The counsellor told him that I'm giving a lot and he should acknowledge, he agreed but has not once given any positive comment on my contribution to his life since that day.

Im posting to get some perspective.

OP posts:
MrMrsJones · 14/05/2022 12:45

If I was you I would be posting to get a solicitor recommendation

whenwilliwillibefamous · 14/05/2022 13:12

Oh come on. You're dead a long time. Find someone who's not just a boyfriend placeholder. I know change is hard and scary so it's not simple or easy but the payoff is fantastic.

GreyCarpet · 14/05/2022 13:36

I feel that my choices are to stay depressed or talk to him and get more depressed.

Well, there is a third option...

Fireflygal · 14/05/2022 13:41

Is he a similar age? How is your relationship with his children?

Quite simply your partner isn't kind and as you suspect isn't capable of genuine affection for you. The comments infront of friends shows his disrespect for you.

I knew of a couple like this, she was a beautiful, accomplished woman who has given up so much to be with him yet in company he made "jokes" about her. I recall cringing for her and wishing she would wake up to his contempt.

I understood why she stayed as he had the potential at times to be charming. However she did eventually leave, no one was surprised.

I can't say that by walking away you will find a man who is more loving but I know that by walking away you will feel less anxious.

thebluehen · 15/05/2022 16:54

He's a couple of years older than me. I get on ok with his kids and I think they have respect t for me now that they're adults. When they were young, I spent a lot of time, listening to how he wanted to bring up "our" kids which wasn't always what I wanted. He always got his way as he was more lenient. I didn't feel "heard" then either.

When we moved house he didn't help unpack a single box but he got angry that I had "decided" where everything should go.

I have only just realised that all this behaviour of his is coming from his insecurities. He's frightened I'm going to leave. So he's protecting himself by being cold towards me. It has only just dawned on me because of this thread. His ex wife left him for another man so understandably he is frightened of it happening again. I also recall him telling me that his ex wife got depressed not long before she left him for another man.

This doesn't mean I'm going to put up with his behaviour, I don't know what I'm going to do yet but I feel a huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders and can understand where so much of my depression has come from and why it's got worse over time.

OP posts:
NewandNotImproved · 15/05/2022 18:02

MrMrsJones · 14/05/2022 12:45

If I was you I would be posting to get a solicitor recommendation

For what? They’re legally single.

NewandNotImproved · 15/05/2022 18:05

Would you not prefer to enjoy your life, OP?

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 15/05/2022 18:29

I also recall him telling me that his ex wife got depressed not long before she left him for another man.

Hardly surprising, is it? This man would make anyone depressed.

What does he do, day to day, with/for you, that makes you think "Ahh, I picked a good'un here, I'm looking forward to growing old together"? It sounds utterly joyless to me.

billy1966 · 15/05/2022 18:57

He sounds so awful.

What a hard life you have had.

You have been so selfless for so little in return.

He doesn't deserve you.

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